Border War... Oh, it's on, Mexico...
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I do.
Never have bought a foreign car and I never will. Same for other products.
I'm sure that "american" car, has parts sourced from foreign countries. The whole, "Buy" American, doesn't mean the same thing it did 20 - 30 years ago. Did you check to see what tires came on your car, if they weren't Goodyear or Cooper, guess what, they were built buy a foreign owned manufacturer. Car's built in the USA are basically assembled, with many components coming from somewhere else other than the USA.
Hell, even foreign owned manufacturers are building cars here in the USA with American workforce... How ya feel about that?I'm sure that "american" car, has parts sourced from foreign countries. The whole, "Buy" American, doesn't mean the same thing it did 20 - 30 years ago. Did you check to see what tires came on your car, if they weren't Goodyear or Cooper, guess what, they were built buy a foreign owned manufacturer. Car's built in the USA are basically assembled, with many components coming from somewhere else other than the USA.
Hell, even foreign owned manufacturers are building cars here in the USA with American workforce... How ya feel about that?
How do you feel responding to a clear troll account (probably from Diehard) on the poli board?
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I'm sure that "american" car, has parts sourced from foreign countries. The whole, "Buy" American, doesn't mean the same thing it did 20 - 30 years ago. Did you check to see what tires came on your car, if they weren't Goodyear or Cooper, guess what, they were built buy a foreign owned manufacturer. Car's built in the USA are basically assembled, with many components coming from somewhere else other than the USA.
Hell, even foreign owned manufacturers are building cars here in the USA with American workforce... How ya feel about that?
How do you feel responding to a clear troll account (probably from Diehard) on the poli board?
How do you feel responding to a clear troll account (probably from Diehard) on the poli board?
I have no troll accounts. But I'm honored that I get under your thin skin.
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I have no troll accounts. But I'm honored that I get under your thin skin.
I mean, you did respond to this post. So that's clearly a lie.
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I have no troll accounts. But I'm honored that I get under your thin skin.
I mean, you did respond to this post. So that's clearly a lie.
I mean, you did respond to this post. So that's clearly a lie.
Care to make a wager?
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Care to make a wager?
Out of pure curiousity, lets hear your terms.
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Care to make a wager?
Out of pure curiousity, lets hear your terms.
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@boo-radley said:
I buy Ford
I dont know if every part is made in the USA, but I know that my money is going keep Americans working and that Ford is a US company.
What kind of tires you got on that truck?
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Mexico has taken advantage of the U.S. for long enough. Massive trade deficits & little help on the very weak border must change, NOW!
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So how exactly do you anticipate that trade deficit changing? Because Mexico isn't going to get significantly richer to buy stuff from the US, the US isn't going to get significantly poorer so you stop buying stuff from Mexico. Maybe a factory or two will move across the border but I can't see it becoming a massive trend.
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Maybe it is because we hold all the cards and Mexico has more to lose in a trade war than us that Trump takes an antagonistic tone with Mexico in declaring they (Mexico) will pay for the wall. First of all why should Mexico pay for the wall when it is our wall and secondly what politician in his right mind in Mexico will go along with Trump on paying for the wall. It would be political suicide for any Mexican politician. Trump needs to give Mexico a way to save face on this instead of trying to rub their face in the mud. I agree with what Trump is doing in securing the border and wanting to renegotiate the bad trade deal NAFTA but I just disagree with his tactics.
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Maybe it is because we hold all the cards and Mexico has more to lose in a trade war than us that Trump takes an antagonistic tone with Mexico in declaring they (Mexico) will pay for the wall. First of all why should Mexico pay for the wall when it is our wall and secondly what politician in his right mind in Mexico will go along with Trump on paying for the wall. It would be political suicide for any Mexican politician. Trump needs to give Mexico a way to save face on this instead of trying to rub their face in the mud. I agree with what Trump is doing in securing the border and wanting to renegotiate the bad trade deal NAFTA but I just disagree with his tactics.
Maybe it is because we hold all the cards and Mexico has more to lose in a trade war than us that Trump takes an antagonistic tone with Mexico in declaring they (Mexico) will pay for the wall. First of all why should Mexico pay for the wall when it is our wall and secondly what politician in his right mind in Mexico will go along with Trump on paying for the wall. It would be political suicide for any Mexican politician. Trump needs to give Mexico a way to save face on this instead of trying to rub their face in the mud. I agree with what Trump is doing in securing the border and wanting to renegotiate the bad trade deal NAFTA but I just disagree with his tactics.
Which is lovely rhetoric, but it doesn't address the fact that the deficit exists for a reason - the US is a rich country and a consumer of goods and Mexico is a poor country and producer. You can by all means produce a high quality of goods and export them to other rich countries - like Japan and Germany do - but you won't get Mexico spending hundreds of billions of dollars more than they currently do because they simply don't have the money.
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Do we have a domestic supply to replace everything coming from Mexico? Even if we do, domestic suppliers can just raise their price now, but still be under the taxed Mexico good. A lot of ways this lands back on the consumer
I wonder how many people have said they'd be happy to pay a little extra for goods made in America?
WSS
I wonder how many people have said they'd be happy to pay a little extra for goods made in America?
WSS
It might be more than a little extra. For certain goods that are more necessities than wants, the price could go up alot without that foreign competition. It remiains to be seen how thisvworks out but reality is that the conservative econ people are prob gonna shit themselves over this. Walmart might take a bath cause their whole business model is predicated on cheap foreign made goods
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Trust me theres alot of people who voted for trump that are gonna have second thoughts when their walmart shit goes way up in price
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Maybe it is because we hold all the cards and Mexico has more to lose in a trade war than us that Trump takes an antagonistic tone with Mexico in declaring they (Mexico) will pay for the wall. First of all why should Mexico pay for the wall when it is our wall and secondly what politician in his right mind in Mexico will go along with Trump on paying for the wall. It would be political suicide for any Mexican politician. Trump needs to give Mexico a way to save face on this instead of trying to rub their face in the mud. I agree with what Trump is doing in securing the border and wanting to renegotiate the bad trade deal NAFTA but I just disagree with his tactics.
Which is lovely rhetoric, but it doesn't address the fact that the deficit exists for a reason - the US is a rich country and a consumer of goods and Mexico is a poor country and producer. You can by all means produce a high quality of goods and export them to other rich countries - like Japan and Germany do - but you won't get Mexico spending hundreds of billions of dollars more than they currently do because they simply don't have the money.
Which is lovely rhetoric, but it doesn't address the fact that the deficit exists for a reason - the US is a rich country and a consumer of goods and Mexico is a poor country and producer. You can by all means produce a high quality of goods and export them to other rich countries - like Japan and Germany do - but you won't get Mexico spending hundreds of billions of dollars more than they currently do because they simply don't have the money.
There is always 2 sides to a debate. Personally I thought Ross Perot was spot on in identifying the problems of NAFTA:
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I know you Whiney pussy liberals don't know how to negotiate from a point of strength. Let's put it this way: Mexico needs the US. The US does not need Mexico.
There are dozens of countries that can do the same thing Mexico does. The US on the other hand is the wealthiest country in world history.
I know you Whiney pussy liberals don't know how to negotiate from a point of strength. Let's put it this way: Mexico needs the US. The US does not need Mexico.
There are dozens of countries that can do the same thing Mexico does. The US on the other hand is the wealthiest country in world history.
What would 2008 Liberal Pumpkin Eater say though?
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Do we have a domestic supply to replace everything coming from Mexico? Even if we do, domestic suppliers can just raise their price now, but still be under the taxed Mexico good. A lot of ways this lands back on the consumer
I wonder how many people have said they'd be happy to pay a little extra for goods made in America?
WSS
I wonder how many people have said they'd be happy to pay a little extra for goods made in America?
WSS
Not much. Raising the minimum wage would apparently make some people go broke.
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Maybe it is because we hold all the cards and Mexico has more to lose in a trade war than us that Trump takes an antagonistic tone with Mexico in declaring they (Mexico) will pay for the wall. First of all why should Mexico pay for the wall when it is our wall and secondly what politician in his right mind in Mexico will go along with Trump on paying for the wall. It would be political suicide for any Mexican politician. Trump needs to give Mexico a way to save face on this instead of trying to rub their face in the mud. I agree with what Trump is doing in securing the border and wanting to renegotiate the bad trade deal NAFTA but I just disagree with his tactics.
Which is lovely rhetoric, but it doesn't address the fact that the deficit exists for a reason - the US is a rich country and a consumer of goods and Mexico is a poor country and producer. You can by all means produce a high quality of goods and export them to other rich countries - like Japan and Germany do - but you won't get Mexico spending hundreds of billions of dollars more than they currently do because they simply don't have the money.
Which is lovely rhetoric, but it doesn't address the fact that the deficit exists for a reason - the US is a rich country and a consumer of goods and Mexico is a poor country and producer. You can by all means produce a high quality of goods and export them to other rich countries - like Japan and Germany do - but you won't get Mexico spending hundreds of billions of dollars more than they currently do because they simply don't have the money.
then buy AMERICAN. Mexico is poor, because they have a gov living in fear of the
major drug cartels. They make one wrong move, and they had better flee the country.
Penis Nieto is happy to send prisoners, additics, criminally insane to us so
WE can take care of them. And drugs. and gangs. Mexico is a hell hole, and the
hole goes all the way to the top. He desperately wants us to continue to be
really stupid while he does it. Exporting the dregs of his society benefits him,
and the drug cartels are delighted to expand. We don't want to be a hell hole.
so, any liberals who want to talk silly about their love for penis nieto, forget it.
Even good people are fleeing out of there... we don't know the difference much,
with obamao having opened our borders to illegals across the board.
IOW's, the more we have tried to help mexico, the more the wrong people
are benefitting, and it's still broke, and still a hell hole. Time to stop the nonsense.
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So for those in favor of NAFTA and staying in the agreement as it stands with Mexico, could you describe the advantages of continuing this relationship? I mean if Ford said they were moving back to the States no matter what Trump said, then there must be some economic advantage to open factories here, no?
Furthermore, how can Mexico raise the price well above market value and expect us to buy it? I take it that they can't be much below the world market value prices as it stands now, unless its a good almost exclusive to them. No businessman out there is just going to give the shit away. Nor will they just throw their agriculture products in the trash to spite us.
My economic understandings, as most people's are around the world, is on a domestic level. So for instance Walmart sells goods at the lowest prices possible, but only by a few cents or dollars to say Amazon. So if we decide to tax the shit out of Walmart, how can they jump their prices way above Amazon's and expect to not lose out in the market? I guess I don't understand how Mexican economy is individually so important to us and how this will be completely a loss on our side. If Mexico charges 20% more than China for their shit and we don't buy it, they get nothing. You think Paraguay and Bolivia is going to pay the same prices we do? Haha. They would be better off eating the tariff than selling to anyone else for sure.
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I wonder how many people have said they'd be happy to pay a little extra for goods made in America?
WSS
Not much. Raising the minimum wage would apparently make some people go broke.
It would at least boot the deadbeats with no skills out of the workforce and in the welfare line for good.Not much. Raising the minimum wage would apparently make some people go broke.
But that has nothing to do with the question.
WSS
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I know you Whiney pussy liberals don't know how to negotiate from a point of strength. Let's put it this way: Mexico needs the US. The US does not need Mexico.
There are dozens of countries that can do the same thing Mexico does. The US on the other hand is the wealthiest country in world history.
What would 2008 Liberal Pumpkin Eater say though?
What would 2008 Liberal Pumpkin Eater say though?
With age and life experience comes wisdom. Get married, have a couple kids, go through some weird unplanned things and you change your views on things.
Also obummao took the democrats way too far left.
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