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One thing I like about Trump which bothered me about Bush. Trump fights back every time. Bush rarely fought back which was a primary reason his approval ratings were so low when he left office. When you don't fight back you have basically accepted the charges leveled against you.
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In this climate nobody would claim to be Muslim unless they actually were, or unless they want to frame Muslims (ala Canadian Mosque Shooter). I revealed that very personal information about myself because I wanted to show everyone that we aren't the stereotypes you think we are. I thought long and hard about that decision, and deciding to do that when you know half of America hates you wasn't easy. But I would do it again because it is the right thing to do.
You want to extend an olive branch? Show some self-awareness and humility around here. Until then, I'm tuning you out.
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OBF, when obama instituted his restriction...on one country....was it done so abruptly that people landing on US soil who had valid entry papers already squared away, were forced to turn around?
Trump knee jeked this. And that to me, precisely because i feel its a valid idea, is unacceptable and nearly worthy of impeachment. He ruined this idea by making it hyper partisan and frankly smacking of racism and/or religious prejudice. The fact he had to make a punlic statement saying this wasnt a muslim ban...means someone apprised him of that land mine he just stepped on. Thsts why i was astounded at what giuliani did.
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and yet, Os, you bashed me for disagreeing with your in-error contention about
the ottoman empire, got angry, and that started the whole problem between you
and me. Then you claimed to have put me on ignore, then you respond in this
thread just like cleve did. on the attack, insulting.
I started off trying desperately to draw a giant distinction on your faith, and the
corrupt claims of the terrorists.
Your contention that "half of America hates" you is ignorant. You lost the election, it is not
about Muslims anything. I even posted about two prominent Muslims and what they had to
say about it. They disagree with you. You ignored it.
The fault is yours, Os. I never once gave you anything but respect til you went angry
over me disagreeing over you contention about the ottoman empire.
Never tell me I'm not allowed to disagree with you when you are wrong, That isn't helpful
to this forum. I was hoping you would come around a lot more, but you rarely did.
But now, since you are in liberal attack mode, you are here. Too bad, you chose
wrongly, now you are unhappy.
As far as humility, why only one person has to show it? You haven't. You arrogantly
refused to admit you were wrong about the ottoman empire, that started the problem.
So, self-aware yourself. Note also, I rarely jump into other folks' disagreements.
It's called piling on at the opportunity. There are all sorts of posters I never get into
it with, Cysko gives me crap once in a while, when I deserve it...
etc etc.I am appreciative of most of your viewpoints, but being a Muslim doesn't give
you authority over disgreements on this board. And saying that poor you, half of
America hates you because you're Muslim is offensive. That doesn't make you the
victim that you liberals desperately cling to every time.
Even if I were a Muslim, too, I would still tell you to STFU about that bs. It is not true, and the media and
leftwing congresspeople and pundits who happily use it as just another false narrative
are hurting our country. Have a nice day.
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OBF, when obama instituted his restriction...on one country....was it done so abruptly that people landing on US soil who had valid entry papers already squared away, were forced to turn around?
Trump knee jeked this. And that to me, precisely because i feel its a valid idea, is unacceptable and nearly worthy of impeachment. He ruined this idea by making it hyper partisan and frankly smacking of racism and/or religious prejudice. The fact he had to make a punlic statement saying this wasnt a muslim ban...means someone apprised him of that land mine he just stepped on. Thsts why i was astounded at what giuliani did.
OBF, when obama instituted his restriction...on one country....was it done so abruptly that people landing on US soil who had valid entry papers already squared away, were forced to turn around?
Trump knee jeked this. And that to me, precisely because i feel its a valid idea, is unacceptable and nearly worthy of impeachment. He ruined this idea by making it hyper partisan and frankly smacking of racism and/or religious prejudice. The fact he had to make a punlic statement saying this wasnt a muslim ban...means someone apprised him of that land mine he just stepped on. Thsts why i was astounded at what giuliani did.
It was done poorly no doubt (too hastily and not well though out). In defense of Trump though he has been in office less than 2 weeks. Hopefully he will learn from this and do better fighting the PR war.
I watch the national evening news now only to witness the blatant bias they have against Trump. Night after night they don't let me down in that regard.
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And there goes the olive branch. My claims are backed by polling of American opinions about Islam and Muslims:
"Donald Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims might sound outrageous, but it could appeal to the 55% of Americans who voice an unfavorable opinion of Islam."
-https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/muslims-us-islam-islamophobia-data-polls
And I do have you on ignore. Even when people are ignore, these forums allow you to expand the post and read it. Since I thought there was slim chance that you were trying to extend an olive branch, I decided to read it. Good job burning that branch and thanks for confirming what I already know about you. Please, try out the ignore feature for yourself and put me on it. I am done with you.
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As I understand it, because of the desperate need to void obamao's
exec order, that in itself shut the door abruptly. I don't know how he
can gradually adjust his exec order from the effects of obamao's.
I believe more people have been imposed on, losing their chances
to make their flights because of the immigration "protesters", than the
109 people who were actually detained for further vetting.
It's tough to fix a problem that Obamao created. A bit abrupt, sure, but
that is being fixed. I don't know how else the change could be made.....
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Cal doesn't like personal attacks. He only retaliates, but he wants you to know he'll stop if you agree to not personally attack him with facts and agree that every opinion he's trying to teach you is correct.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
And there goes the olive branch. My claims are backed by polling of American opinions about Islam and Muslims:
"Donald Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims might sound outrageous, but it could appeal to the 55% of Americans who voice an unfavorable opinion of Islam."
-https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/muslims-us-islam-islamophobia-data-polls
And I do have you on ignore. Even when people are ignore, these forums allow you to expand the post and read it. Since I thought there was slim chance that you were trying to extend an olive branch, I decided to read it. Good job burning that branch and thanks for confirming what I already know about you. Please, try out the ignore feature for yourself and put me on it. I am done with you.
And there goes the olive branch. My claims are backed by polling of American opinions about Islam and Muslims:
"Donald Trump’s call for a ban on Muslims might sound outrageous, but it could appeal to the 55% of Americans who voice an unfavorable opinion of Islam."
-https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/08/muslims-us-islam-islamophobia-data-polls
And I do have you on ignore. Even when people are ignore, these forums allow you to expand the post and read it. Since I thought there was slim chance that you were trying to extend an olive branch, I decided to read it. Good job burning that branch and thanks for confirming what I already know about you. Please, try out the ignore feature for yourself and put me on it. I am done with you.
one poll? that's a generalization, due to the impact of 9/11. Nobody hates you here, yet
you still think that you being a Muslim gives you the grand poobah power of controlling
narratives. I just said what I had to say, and was hoping some would agree that this
hostility is a bad thing. You talk about self-awareness, Os, but you still refuse to admit
I was correct about your ottoman empire. You don't get to rewrite history around here.
You should get off your pouty arrogant ass, and forget your hostility where there was
none. Too bad I'm not a Muslim so I could really tell you off without you whining
that I just don't like Muslims.
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Cal doesn't like personal attacks. He only retaliates, but he wants you to know he'll stop if you agree to not personally attack him with facts and agree that every opinion he's trying to teach you is correct.
Cal doesn't like personal attacks. He only retaliates, but he wants you to know he'll stop if you agree to not personally attack him with facts and agree that every opinion he's trying to teach you is correct.
lol.
"I hate you" lol
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As for that Osiris: I personally don't hate Muslims. I don't hate Christians either. But to be honest I have an unfavorable opinion of both religions. Judaism too. I'm cool with Hindus and buddhists. I would say I have a slightly more unfavorable opinion of Islam because of their proclivity to bomb planes and buildings and try to pass it off as religious duty. Christians are also huge assholes but I don't know the last time they bombed a plane full of people. A lot of Muslim apologists try to pass the Oklahoma city bombings off as Christian terrorism but there's no evidence McVeigh was religiously motivated.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
The lack of self awareness has reached new heights. Absolutely mind boggling. I honestly don't understand how you can go about as you do, and then blame everyone else for ruining your safe space.
This is the most snowflake thread on this board
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
jumping in, piling on, makes you a woodpecker. be proud, be loud, be a birdbrain. got it.
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Am I not allowed to respond to this thread? In a way that is very much on topic. The topic being your twisted interpretation of this board.
It sounds like you want to censor me. Which is a very liberal snowflake thing to do.
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As I understand it, because of the desperate need to void obamao's
exec order, that in itself shut the door abruptly. I don't know how he
can gradually adjust his exec order from the effects of obamao's.
I believe more people have been imposed on, losing their chances
to make their flights because of the immigration "protesters", than the
109 people who were actually detained for further vetting.
It's tough to fix a problem that Obamao created. A bit abrupt, sure, but
that is being fixed. I don't know how else the change could be made.....
As I understand it, because of the desperate need to void obamao's
exec order, that in itself shut the door abruptly. I don't know how he
can gradually adjust his exec order from the effects of obamao's.
I believe more people have been imposed on, losing their chances
to make their flights because of the immigration "protesters", than the
109 people who were actually detained for further vetting.
It's tough to fix a problem that Obamao created. A bit abrupt, sure, but
that is being fixed. I don't know how else the change could be made.....
They lost in the PR war though and they will need to do better in that regard. I think they will learn from this experience and be more prepared to fight the PR war in the future. They already know the MSM will not treat them fairly.
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As I understand it, because of the desperate need to void obamao's
exec order, that in itself shut the door abruptly. I don't know how he
can gradually adjust his exec order from the effects of obamao's.
I believe more people have been imposed on, losing their chances
to make their flights because of the immigration "protesters", than the
109 people who were actually detained for further vetting.
It's tough to fix a problem that Obamao created. A bit abrupt, sure, but
that is being fixed. I don't know how else the change could be made.....
They lost in the PR war though and they will need to do better in that regard. I think they will learn from this experience and be more prepared to fight the PR war in the future. They already know the MSM will not treat them fairly.
They lost in the PR war though and they will need to do better in that regard. I think they will learn from this experience and be more prepared to fight the PR war in the future. They already know the MSM will not treat them fairly.
True. Seems like winning the pr war is a lost cause, though. So much of the media plays
in with the false fear-mongering narratives of the likes of Reid, Schumer, Pelosi,
the whole bunch. Without Fox news, for one, there isn't any winning of the pr war
without stooping to their level. So much contrived controversy, falsely based agitation...
on purpose. I have no idea what the answer is. Every time Trump or Bush makes a mistake,
all hell breaks loose. But obamao made a mistake, there's silence. Can anybody imagine if
Trump had presided over Benghazi?
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They lost in the PR war though and they will need to do better in that regard. I think they will learn from this experience and be more prepared to fight the PR war in the future. They already know the MSM will not treat them fairly.
True. Seems like winning the pr war is a lost cause, though. So much of the media plays
in with the false fear-mongering narratives of the likes of Reid, Schumer, Pelosi,
the whole bunch. Without Fox news, for one, there isn't any winning of the pr war
without stooping to their level. So much contrived controversy, falsely based agitation...
on purpose. I have no idea what the answer is. Every time Trump or Bush makes a mistake,
all hell breaks loose. But obamao made a mistake, there's silence. Can anybody imagine if
Trump had presided over Benghazi?
True. Seems like winning the pr war is a lost cause, though. So much of the media plays
in with the false fear-mongering narratives of the likes of Reid, Schumer, Pelosi,
the whole bunch. Without Fox news, for one, there isn't any winning of the pr war
without stooping to their level. So much contrived controversy, falsely based agitation...
on purpose. I have no idea what the answer is. Every time Trump or Bush makes a mistake,
all hell breaks loose. But obamao made a mistake, there's silence. Can anybody imagine if
Trump had presided over Benghazi?
At least they fight back which always bothered me about Bush who rarely did. I heard Dennis Miller give some good advice to Sarah Palin years ago about dealing with the media. He said every time Palin spoke with the MSM she should have the attitude they are her enemy not a friend. And they were. When Trump initiated his policy he needed to have his spokespeople in place immediately to counter the false narrative this was a ban on Muslims. They will probably never win the PR war with a corrupt biased media but I would like to see them make the effort instead of handling it like Bush did.
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That is excellent. I guess being nice gets ya run over...they do need to
"fight back"
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Palin was also her own enemy
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Guys guys we're being so unfair. Cal just wants to turn over a new leaf. 8 years of incessant bullshitting has taken its toll. He just wants everyone to know his bullshit was our fault cause we wouldnt listen to him.
Do i have that about right cal?
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