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I don't really accept anything you say is true. Because you are a hyper-partisan and everything you say is filtered through that. It's like you don't have any sort of life outside of political victimhood and everything is either evil liberal nazis or heroic conservative lumberjacks or something. I'm not a liberal. I think I've made that clear many times. But then again, I'm not a super partisan republican either. If you continue to think like that I honestly don't know what there is left to talk to you about. I can't, and neither can most rational people, deal with a gloating partisan cheese-eater. You attack attack attack and then whine about how you're being attacked. It's ridiculous, but then that's just who you are, I suppose.
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.OBF, when obama instituted his restriction...on one country....was it done so abruptly that people landing on US soil who had valid entry papers already squared away, were forced to turn around?
Trump knee jeked this. And that to me, precisely because i feel its a valid idea, is unacceptable and nearly worthy of impeachment. He ruined this idea by making it hyper partisan and frankly smacking of racism and/or religious prejudice. The fact he had to make a punlic statement saying this wasnt a muslim ban...means someone apprised him of that land mine he just stepped on. Thsts why i was astounded at what giuliani did.
How about the Cubans he stranded his last week in office?
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How about the Cubans he stranded his last week in office?
You mean that? So he ended the practice of allowing Cubans to stay in the U.S as soon as they get one dry foot on land...something the right has always been against ???
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I won't view it as an attack. You have carried yourself in a reasonable and respectful way and I appreciate it. I also appreciate your efforts to try and learn about something rather just make stuff up like some other people like to do. You raise so many points worth discussing here that I will respond inline below. First though, I'd like to ask, in the reading you've done, did you read primary sources or interpretive ones? I have always favored primary sources where possible, because it allows me to make my own conclusions, not the ones the author of the interpretive text wants me to have. Interpretation is going to be a big theme in my responses below, too. I apologize if I am long-winded but I hope you will take the time to read them.
I did read it and found it interesting although there's many fundamentalists attacking it. That must be a good thing, I suppose. Off-topic, as a writer are you familiar with Neal Gaiman's Sandman series? I was reading some old trade paperbacks and I came across a really neat story centered in Baghdad during Haroun Al-Raschid's (Aaron the good? Is that an acceptable translation?) reign as Caliph called Ramadan. Definitely worth a read.
You mentioned Athiesm before and I wanted to point out I'm not an athiest either. I consider myself an Agnostic. I don't know what happens after and I don't consider myself qualified to act as if I do. If there is a god, I figure being a generally good person and doing the right thing the majority of the time will win him/her/it over and if it decides that I'm fucked because I didn't do confession or ate meat on Friday or ate pork or didn't pray to mecca, then it is probably an asshole anyway. I hope the Hindu karmic wheel business is correct because honestly, even as I get older and more beat down in life I still think it's pretty cool and I wouldn't mind doing it all over again.
I did read it and found it interesting although there's many fundamentalists attacking it. That must be a good thing, I suppose. Off-topic, as a writer are you familiar with Neal Gaiman's Sandman series? I was reading some old trade paperbacks and I came across a really neat story centered in Baghdad during Haroun Al-Raschid's (Aaron the good? Is that an acceptable translation?) reign as Caliph called Ramadan. Definitely worth a read.
You mentioned Athiesm before and I wanted to point out I'm not an athiest either. I consider myself an Agnostic. I don't know what happens after and I don't consider myself qualified to act as if I do. If there is a god, I figure being a generally good person and doing the right thing the majority of the time will win him/her/it over and if it decides that I'm fucked because I didn't do confession or ate meat on Friday or ate pork or didn't pray to mecca, then it is probably an asshole anyway. I hope the Hindu karmic wheel business is correct because honestly, even as I get older and more beat down in life I still think it's pretty cool and I wouldn't mind doing it all over again.
Yes, the extremists have also attacked other progressive movements in the Muslim world. "If extremists hate it, it is probably good", is a good barometer to use. Fortunately, it is harder for them to attack movements that take root in America, which is why I feel fortunate to be here, free to practice my religion the way I want.
I haven't read the Sandman series though I have heard of it. Your translation of Haroun Al-Rashid's name is close, but Rashid means more literally "rightly-guided." As a student of history you probably know who he was in real life. In any case, a weird thing happened when I started writing fiction... I became more interested in reading non-fiction. I guess I've learned how the sausage is made so sometimes it is harder for me to turn off my writer brain and just enjoy a work of fiction.
I apologize for assuming you were an atheist. I thought I read that you said you were a while ago. In any case, I can make the argument that by Quranic standards an agnostic wouldn't be condemned to hell, but I would probably be in the minority in holding that opinion. Once again, It's all a matter of interpretation, but two things regarding this are pretty clear: The Quran says only God knows what is in people's hearts and it is not for people to judge others in their afterlife fate, and that God cares most about people's deeds. I hate to say this but I will: Islam's biggest enemies have been many of the people who follow it. Even if you take the extremists out of the equation, I have found many Muslims focus on the most trivial aspects of faith, like whether or not meat from certain countries is halal or not, while not caring a damn about more important matters of justice and common courtesy.
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Some of these guys on here, as I'm sure you well know, are never going to be worth having any sort of theological discussions with. Even though I don't believe any religious doctrine I find all of them interesting and worthy of discussion in their own right.
Some of these guys on here, as I'm sure you well know, are never going to be worth having any sort of theological discussions with. Even though I don't believe any religious doctrine I find all of them interesting and worthy of discussion in their own right.
That's why I've put them on ignore. I know some people here call that the "pussy" way out, but I really don't give a rat's ass.
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I also read quite a bit of non-fiction as well, although I confess my library is more fiction than non. I typically spend more time on the internet trying to learn things but if I find a subject interesting enough, history and technology mostly, I'll read about it in a more analog fashion. Anyhow If you ever are so inclined I'd highly recommend Sandman. It's very literary minded. Not what you'd expect from a comic book at all, although it doesn't hit it's stride until book 2. Ramadan is in book 6,
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Some of these guys on here, as I'm sure you well know, are never going to be worth having any sort of theological discussions with. Even though I don't believe any religious doctrine I find all of them interesting and worthy of discussion in their own right.
That's why I've put them on ignore. I know some people here call that the "pussy" way out, but I really don't give a rat's ass.
I find this forum a lot more enjoyable when my eyes aren't subject to their garbage.That's why I've put them on ignore. I know some people here call that the "pussy" way out, but I really don't give a rat's ass.
I find this forum a lot more enjoyable when my eyes aren't subject to their garbage.liberal sissy translation:
"I only came here to stay because I want to bitch about Trump and couldn't explain my obaMao sombeitch,
and raise hell"
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I am not above personally attacking people from time to time so I don't have anyone on ignore. I think part of the beauty of this board is that it's really the wild west of internet forums. If I had, say, diehard on ignore I wouldn't be able to dump all over him.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
To be fair I'm much more (and I do mean much more) worried about Mexico than Muslims. The shit Mexicans do with complete abandon make ISIS look like pretty reasonable guys. Complete disregard for humanity down there and they can just stroll over the border any time they want. I won't regale you with the filthy details but if you were inclined you could easily find the most violent, horrific, disgusting examples of humanity on certain sites and they're all Mexicans. If liberals were forced to watch this stuff for a few minutes they might revise their opinion of Trump's wall plan.
To be fair I'm much more (and I do mean much more) worried about Mexico than Muslims. The shit Mexicans do with complete abandon make ISIS look like pretty reasonable guys. Complete disregard for humanity down there and they can just stroll over the border any time they want. I won't regale you with the filthy details but if you were inclined you could easily find the most violent, horrific, disgusting examples of humanity on certain sites and they're all Mexicans. If liberals were forced to watch this stuff for a few minutes they might revise their opinion of Trump's wall plan.
I presume you're speaking of the Cartels. Such as the ME(Mexican Mafia) and organizations of their ilk. It's surprising more violence hasn't spilled over our boarders.
As far as Islam my own experiences with people of that faith compel me to disagree with the President's and some of your assessments. I met teachers, doctors, lawyers, and business people that want the same things we as Americans of many faiths want. A safe environment for themselves and their families. Some of these same people served me and my unit as interpreters.
Some of which rendered aid to wounded soldiers which bought time and saved lives. I don't think these are the kind ofpeople we should be denying entry into our country.
These are people that should be easily vetted and the ban should not be necessary. With that said I want to see how long this ban will last and how long this vetting process will take to get off the ground.
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Cysko is an equal-opportunity bitcher-atter. I'm fine with that. I deserve it
once in a while.....
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I also read quite a bit of non-fiction as well, although I confess my library is more fiction than non. I typically spend more time on the internet trying to learn things but if I find a subject interesting enough, history and technology mostly, I'll read about it in a more analog fashion. Anyhow If you ever are so inclined I'd highly recommend Sandman. It's very literary minded. Not what you'd expect from a comic book at all, although it doesn't hit it's stride until book 2. Ramadan is in book 6,
I also read quite a bit of non-fiction as well, although I confess my library is more fiction than non. I typically spend more time on the internet trying to learn things but if I find a subject interesting enough, history and technology mostly, I'll read about it in a more analog fashion. Anyhow If you ever are so inclined I'd highly recommend Sandman. It's very literary minded. Not what you'd expect from a comic book at all, although it doesn't hit it's stride until book 2. Ramadan is in book 6,
Okay, I will put it on my reading list.
Also, I just wanted to share this with you, too. I am definitely not trying to convert you to anything, just wanted to show another website that shows interpretations in action that are compatible with American values.
http://www.islamforpeace.org/index.html
I am not above personally attacking people from time to time so I don't have anyone on ignore. I think part of the beauty of this board is that it's really the wild west of internet forums. If I had, say, diehard on ignore I wouldn't be able to dump all over him.
To each their own! So far, at least with Cal, it seems like putting him on ignore irritated him more than anything else I've ever said to him. "If he hates it, it's probably good."
I know Diehard doesn't care, and that's fine with me, too. I'm perfectly happy if we both pretend the other doesn't exist.
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To be fair I'm much more (and I do mean much more) worried about Mexico than Muslims. The shit Mexicans do with complete abandon make ISIS look like pretty reasonable guys. Complete disregard for humanity down there and they can just stroll over the border any time they want. I won't regale you with the filthy details but if you were inclined you could easily find the most violent, horrific, disgusting examples of humanity on certain sites and they're all Mexicans. If liberals were forced to watch this stuff for a few minutes they might revise their opinion of Trump's wall plan.
I presume you're speaking of the Cartels. Such as the ME(Mexican Mafia) and organizations of their ilk. It's surprising more violence hasn't spilled over our boarders.
As far as Islam my own experiences with people of that faith compel me to disagree with the President's and some of your assessments. I met teachers, doctors, lawyers, and business people that want the same things we as Americans of many faiths want. A safe environment for themselves and their families. Some of these same people served me and my unit as interpreters.
Some of which rendered aid to wounded soldiers which bought time and saved lives. I don't think these are the kind ofpeople we should be denying entry into our country.
These are people that should be easily vetted and the ban should not be necessary. With that said I want to see how long this ban will last and how long this vetting process will take to get off the ground.
I presume you're speaking of the Cartels. Such as the ME(Mexican Mafia) and organizations of their ilk. It's surprising more violence hasn't spilled over our boarders.
As far as Islam my own experiences with people of that faith compel me to disagree with the President's and some of your assessments. I met teachers, doctors, lawyers, and business people that want the same things we as Americans of many faiths want. A safe environment for themselves and their families. Some of these same people served me and my unit as interpreters.
Some of which rendered aid to wounded soldiers which bought time and saved lives. I don't think these are the kind ofpeople we should be denying entry into our country.
These are people that should be easily vetted and the ban should not be necessary. With that said I want to see how long this ban will last and how long this vetting process will take to get off the ground.
Excellent post. Thanks HUGELY for your service, Marcus. The interpreters were a temporary injustice, but one that couldn't
be avoided, unless you telegraph the temporary halt to reexamine vetting. That would lead to what
we witness on the border, a huge increase in traffic. And the FBI already says they can't vett incoming immigrants fast enough.
Those interpreters, the good folks with green cards, etc... those problems were/are being resolved asap.
It's tough to close pandora's box after being opened. And, the FBI? said there are isis investigations "in all fifty states",
which reportedly is an overstatement..... We desperately, somehow, do not want to end up like Germany
and Sweden, to name two. What is dangerous is the dirty politics being played over any real or contrived issue from the losers
of the pres election.
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To be fair I'm much more (and I do mean much more) worried about Mexico than Muslims. The shit Mexicans do with complete abandon make ISIS look like pretty reasonable guys. Complete disregard for humanity down there and they can just stroll over the border any time they want. I won't regale you with the filthy details but if you were inclined you could easily find the most violent, horrific, disgusting examples of humanity on certain sites and they're all Mexicans. If liberals were forced to watch this stuff for a few minutes they might revise their opinion of Trump's wall plan.
I presume you're speaking of the Cartels. Such as the ME(Mexican Mafia) and organizations of their ilk. It's surprising more violence hasn't spilled over our boarders.
As far as Islam my own experiences with people of that faith compel me to disagree with the President's and some of your assessments. I met teachers, doctors, lawyers, and business people that want the same things we as Americans of many faiths want. A safe environment for themselves and their families. Some of these same people served me and my unit as interpreters.
Some of which rendered aid to wounded soldiers which bought time and saved lives. I don't think these are the kind ofpeople we should be denying entry into our country.
These are people that should be easily vetted and the ban should not be necessary. With that said I want to see how long this ban will last and how long this vetting process will take to get off the ground.
I presume you're speaking of the Cartels. Such as the ME(Mexican Mafia) and organizations of their ilk. It's surprising more violence hasn't spilled over our boarders.
As far as Islam my own experiences with people of that faith compel me to disagree with the President's and some of your assessments. I met teachers, doctors, lawyers, and business people that want the same things we as Americans of many faiths want. A safe environment for themselves and their families. Some of these same people served me and my unit as interpreters.
Some of which rendered aid to wounded soldiers which bought time and saved lives. I don't think these are the kind ofpeople we should be denying entry into our country.
These are people that should be easily vetted and the ban should not be necessary. With that said I want to see how long this ban will last and how long this vetting process will take to get off the ground. her
Indeed I am speaking of the Cartels, and they are, in fact, operating in this country, but it's harder to kill 20 people at a whack in America and not get caught when we have a competent police force. That doesn't mean they're not killing people, they're just not reveling in it up here like they like to do. As for Muslims I thought I made it clear in my conversations with Osiris that I don't really have any issue with Muslims here as a whole, as long as they put American values first, which largely they do.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I also read quite a bit of non-fiction as well, although I confess my library is more fiction than non. I typically spend more time on the internet trying to learn things but if I find a subject interesting enough, history and technology mostly, I'll read about it in a more analog fashion. Anyhow If you ever are so inclined I'd highly recommend Sandman. It's very literary minded. Not what you'd expect from a comic book at all, although it doesn't hit it's stride until book 2. Ramadan is in book 6,
Okay, I will put it on my reading list.
Also, I just wanted to share this with you, too. I am definitely not trying to convert you to anything, just wanted to show another website that shows interpretations in action that are compatible with American values.
http://www.islamforpeace.org/index.html
I am not above personally attacking people from time to time so I don't have anyone on ignore. I think part of the beauty of this board is that it's really the wild west of internet forums. If I had, say, diehard on ignore I wouldn't be able to dump all over him.
To each their own! So far, at least with Cal, it seems like putting him on ignore irritated him more than anything else I've ever said to him. "If he hates it, it's probably good."
I know Diehard doesn't care, and that's fine with me, too. I'm perfectly happy if we both pretend the other doesn't exist.
To each their own! So far, at least with Cal, it seems like putting him on ignore irritated him more than anything else I've ever said to him. "If he hates it, it's probably good."
I know Diehard doesn't care, and that's fine with me, too. I'm perfectly happy if we both pretend the other doesn't exist.
A. It's laughable that you can't defend you asinine assertions, then you think it bothers me
that you "put me on ignore" but still read my posts. lol
B. Sorry your false bragging on the ottoman empire caused you to go hateful, but spiritual
beliefs do not prevent a person from being a pouty, sore loser that just shows up
to bitch. That's on you.
C. I've been around here a long time, and don't get into bad vibes from people unless they
get bitchy over my dumb opinions. There's plenty of other folks on the other side of the fence
that I get along with just fine. It's the left that is often intolerant. Look around our country.
D. Keep me on ignore, but it's cowardly to pop in and bitch like a rabid gopher wanting to
bite somebody. Don't bite me, I got defenses. It's amusing you keep harping about me,
though, "ignoring". Look up "ignoring". (after you read up on your ottoman empire bs)
E. Have a nice day, and know this: I respect you being a Muslim, but you are still an arrogant pouty idiot.
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I presume you're speaking of the Cartels. Such as the ME(Mexican Mafia) and organizations of their ilk. It's surprising more violence hasn't spilled over our boarders.
As far as Islam my own experiences with people of that faith compel me to disagree with the President's and some of your assessments. I met teachers, doctors, lawyers, and business people that want the same things we as Americans of many faiths want. A safe environment for themselves and their families. Some of these same people served me and my unit as interpreters.
Some of which rendered aid to wounded soldiers which bought time and saved lives. I don't think these are the kind ofpeople we should be denying entry into our country.
These are people that should be easily vetted and the ban should not be necessary. With that said I want to see how long this ban will last and how long this vetting process will take to get off the ground. her
Indeed I am speaking of the Cartels, and they are, in fact, operating in this country, but it's harder to kill 20 people at a whack in America and not get caught when we have a competent police force. That doesn't mean they're not killing people, they're just not reveling in it up here like they like to do. As for Muslims I thought I made it clear in my conversations with Osiris that I don't really have any issue with Muslims here as a whole, as long as they put American values first, which largely they do.
Indeed I am speaking of the Cartels, and they are, in fact, operating in this country, but it's harder to kill 20 people at a whack in America and not get caught when we have a competent police force. That doesn't mean they're not killing people, they're just not reveling in it up here like they like to do. As for Muslims I thought I made it clear in my conversations with Osiris that I don't really have any issue with Muslims here as a whole, as long as they put American values first, which largely they do.
I believe you were clear. My central point wasn't to address your assessments but those of others that implied yours came from someone lacking combat experience. I figured I would offer my unique experience to offer some different perspective as I've tried to do in this forum by and large.
As a police officer I'm well aware that the Cartels are operating here in the U.S. They've been operating here longer than what people want to believe. I think it's now an issue because the wrong people started getting killed. Either way I think we should be beyond disagreeing with the President. At this point all I can personally do is do my job and supervise my officers and ensure they continue to do good police work. I just hope these endeavors of the President are successful and effective.
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Oh you mean Diehard? He's just an asshole. I was, in fact, in the Air Force and I did, in fact, support operation Enduring Freedom including two TDY to the middle east but he is correct that I was never in combat. I was not a Marine or a soldier but an Airman in comm/nav/mission systems which essentially means I did the same thing then that I do now, electronics and communications repairs. If Diehard wants to take a shit on my military service that his prerogative but what I did was a critical job. He's never mentioned what his specialization was, so, you know, fuck him.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Oh you mean Diehard? He's just an asshole. I was, in fact, in the Air Force and I did, in fact, support operation Enduring Freedom including two TDY to the middle east but he is correct that I was never in combat. I was not a Marine or a soldier but an Airman in comm/nav/mission systems which essentially means I did the same thing then that I do now, electronics and communications repairs. If Diehard wants to take a shit on my military service that his prerogative but what I did was a critical job. He's never mentioned what his specialization was, so, you know, fuck him.
Oh you mean Diehard? He's just an asshole. I was, in fact, in the Air Force and I did, in fact, support operation Enduring Freedom including two TDY to the middle east but he is correct that I was never in combat. I was not a Marine or a soldier but an Airman in comm/nav/mission systems which essentially means I did the same thing then that I do now, electronics and communications repairs. If Diehard wants to take a shit on my military service that his prerogative but what I did was a critical job. He's never mentioned what his specialization was, so, you know, fuck him.
Well thank you for your service just the same. As an Army MP I served with and escorted munitions of the Air Force a few times during OEF. Proud to have served with all of them.
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The lot of you are basically throwing shit at one another being that there is no real discussion or exchanging of ideas here.
This forum is pretty much cancer.
The lot of you are basically throwing shit at one another being that there is no real discussion or exchanging of ideas here.
This forum is pretty much cancer.
Our God has graced us with his presence!
Don't let his posts here fool you, he's still way better than this crap.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Maybe, just maybe, you should look at the common denominator here and wonder if everyone is really a bitchy pouty attacker out to get ol' gee-whiz Cal, or if maybe you're over the top and it is ridiculous.
Maybe, just maybe, you should look at the common denominator here and wonder if everyone is really a bitchy pouty attacker out to get ol' gee-whiz Cal, or if maybe you're over the top and it is ridiculous.
Shut up you stupid liberal
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Our God has graced us with his presence!
Don't let his posts here fool you, he's still way better than this crap.
You are healed, my child.
You especially. You're intelligent enough to know you're arguing with a wall for hours on end. I cannot grasp why you waste your time.
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