On Fake News
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Another day another Trump 'talking point'.
"Any negative polls are fake news"
For real? "Anything negative anyone has to say is all lies, only I will tell you the truth, ignore everything else, just follow me"
This doesn't even remotely raise a little red flag in the back of anyone's mind? That maybe, just maybe, this guy isn't quite who you were expecting him to be?
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Actually for me it underscores the dishonesty of the press.
You are probably too young to remember when Bill was coach of the Cleveland Browns. The first thing he did was alienate the sportswriters. Hard to talk to and banned them from the team bus and plan to travel from City to City excluding them from the party.
That meant everybody from the beat writer to the talk show host hated the guy. Now think about this do you think it made for more positive or more negative coverage?
WSS
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Actually for me it underscores the dishonesty of the press.
You are probably too young to remember when Bill was coach of the Cleveland Browns. The first thing he did was alienate the sportswriters. Hard to talk to and banned them from the team bus and plan to travel from City to City excluding them from the party.
That meant everybody from the beat writer to the talk show host hated the guy. Now think about this do you think it made for more positive or more negative coverage?
WSS
Actually for me it underscores the dishonesty of the press.
You are probably too young to remember when Bill was coach of the Cleveland Browns. The first thing he did was alienate the sportswriters. Hard to talk to and banned them from the team bus and plan to travel from City to City excluding them from the party.
That meant everybody from the beat writer to the talk show host hated the guy. Now think about this do you think it made for more positive or more negative coverage?
WSS
Such a false equivalency it's unreal. You're talking about sports. Where it's all ultimately trivial and all a matter of opinion.
This is the presidency of the most powerful and influential nation on the planet, with tangible effects, and Trump is continually lying about easily disprovable things, then telling you anyone who contradicts him is 'fake news'.
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Differing levels of worldwide influence between politics and sports do not disprove the basic point that if the press hates you the coverage will not be fair.
I've said often enough that Administration should think about things they say a lot more carefully. But one reason for that is that they should be smart enough to understand the press, that hates them, will overreact to everything.
A great example is CNN giving credence to the BuzzFeed story about pissing on Obama's bed. We didn't hear them give credence to the rumors that Hillary and her aides murdered.
WSS
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And the guy that controls the broadcast has the last word.
WSS
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And the guy that controls the broadcast has the last word.
WSS
And the guy that controls the broadcast has the last word.
WSS
Not anymore - this isn't the eighties where your sources for news were the TV and newspaper. The information (and disinformation) is all readily available on the internet. You can easily see for yourself, for example, the inauguration pictures showing Trump had a smaller crowd. Not a big deal you'd think, but Trump then tells everyone he had the biggest crowd ever. Then Spicer goes up in front of the press corps and says 'nobody can know because the national parks office doesn't keep numbers' literally seconds before saying 'we definitely had the biggest crowd'.
Trump is trying to be the guy that controls the broadcast so he gets the last word, without realising he can't control the broadcast.
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He most certainly is trying to be that guy as well he should.
And yes there are plenty of places to get your news. I still think the major newspapers and the network news is, and should be, considered the mainstream media. Yes yes yes Fox News MSNBC Breitbart slate you name it they exist.
But I don't think it's a huge contingent of fans that follow those sources. I don't think thereither are that many voters that spend much time on politics at all oh, certainly not as much as we do here and we are by no means Insiders.
WSS
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Another day another Trump 'talking point'.
"Any negative polls are fake news"
For real? "Anything negative anyone has to say is all lies, only I will tell you the truth, ignore everything else, just follow me"
This doesn't even remotely raise a little red flag in the back of anyone's mind? That maybe, just maybe, this guy isn't quite who you were expecting him to be?
Another day another Trump 'talking point'.
"Any negative polls are fake news"
For real? "Anything negative anyone has to say is all lies, only I will tell you the truth, ignore everything else, just follow me"
This doesn't even remotely raise a little red flag in the back of anyone's mind? That maybe, just maybe, this guy isn't quite who you were expecting him to be?
Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things? I mean that's definitely the message I have been getting, but just curious if he actually said that word-for-word.
Either way, of course it raises a red flag. That's been the central theme in half of my posts in the last two weeks. This kind of thought-control is what dictators have been doing in the ME. No wonder Trump is such a big fan of Sisi.
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Another day another Trump 'talking point'.
"Any negative polls are fake news"
For real? "Anything negative anyone has to say is all lies, only I will tell you the truth, ignore everything else, just follow me"
This doesn't even remotely raise a little red flag in the back of anyone's mind? That maybe, just maybe, this guy isn't quite who you were expecting him to be?
Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things? I mean that's definitely the message I have been getting, but just curious if he actually said that word-for-word.
Either way, of course it raises a red flag. That's been the central theme in half of my posts in the last two weeks. This kind of thought-control is what dictators have been doing in the ME. No wonder Trump is such a big fan of Sisi.
Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things?
Half and half. He actually said:
"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.
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Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things?
Half and half. He actually said:
"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.
Half and half. He actually said:
"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.
Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???
WSS
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Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things?
Half and half. He actually said:
"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.
Half and half. He actually said:
"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.
Got it. Don't think you need to paraphrase for the Orwellian parallels to be obvious, though.
I am really interested to know what 'extreme vetting' means, in terms of policy details. Every time I bring up how rigorous the vetting process already is, people here don't seem interested in discussing the topic...
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Half and half. He actually said:
"Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."
I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.
Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???
WSS
Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???
WSS
This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
It means you check the fuck out of people coming from Terrorist ridden countries. Non citizens have no right to enter into the USA, period. End of story.
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And the guy that controls the broadcast has the last word.
WSS
Not anymore - this isn't the eighties where your sources for news were the TV and newspaper. The information (and disinformation) is all readily available on the internet. You can easily see for yourself, for example, the inauguration pictures showing Trump had a smaller crowd. Not a big deal you'd think, but Trump then tells everyone he had the biggest crowd ever. Then Spicer goes up in front of the press corps and says 'nobody can know because the national parks office doesn't keep numbers' literally seconds before saying 'we definitely had the biggest crowd'.
Trump is trying to be the guy that controls the broadcast so he gets the last word, without realising he can't control the broadcast.
Not anymore - this isn't the eighties where your sources for news were the TV and newspaper. The information (and disinformation) is all readily available on the internet. You can easily see for yourself, for example, the inauguration pictures showing Trump had a smaller crowd. Not a big deal you'd think, but Trump then tells everyone he had the biggest crowd ever. Then Spicer goes up in front of the press corps and says 'nobody can know because the national parks office doesn't keep numbers' literally seconds before saying 'we definitely had the biggest crowd'.
Trump is trying to be the guy that controls the broadcast so he gets the last word, without realising he can't control the broadcast.
Ah, but he can. And he will. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......
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Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???
WSS
This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.
This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.
Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls.
WSS
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Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls.
WSS
Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.
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Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls.
WSS
Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.
Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.
Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...
Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.
WSS
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Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.
Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...
Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.
WSS
Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...
Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.
WSS
Regarding the election? I think the polls were partially a problem of under-representing rural America, but more importantly, they were misinterpreted. People thought "oh well these polls mean Trump will lose", but lose what? Everyone assumed the presidency, but the polls were saying he'd lose the popular vote, which he did. Not the same thing.
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
Either way, most of the important stuff isn't subject to opinion polls. Net migration, economic growth, carbon emissions, unemployment - things where it really matters, you're not asking joe six pack what he thinks the unemployment rate is.
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even in Hollywood, admitting you voted for Trump can get you blackballed,
or harrassed, etc.
anywhere else, you can get assaulted...
it's the left that does that, and it is now going mainstream with the left.
Things are really out of hand, it's the left forcing it. and radical Muslims are happy
to help, and soros bankrolls radical groups.
It's a mess. Thank GOD for Trump.
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