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  • @osiris said:

    Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things?

    Half and half. He actually said:

    "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."

    I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.

    @gftchris said:

    Half and half. He actually said:

    "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."

    I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.

    Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???

    WSS

  • @osiris said:

    Are you paraphrasing or did he actually say those things?

    Half and half. He actually said:

    "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."

    I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.

    @gftchris said:

    Half and half. He actually said:

    "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."

    I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.

    Got it. Don't think you need to paraphrase for the Orwellian parallels to be obvious, though. 🙂

    I am really interested to know what 'extreme vetting' means, in terms of policy details. Every time I bring up how rigorous the vetting process already is, people here don't seem interested in discussing the topic...

  • @gftchris said:

    Half and half. He actually said:

    "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."

    I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.

    Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???

    WSS

    This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.

  • It means you check the fuck out of people coming from Terrorist ridden countries. Non citizens have no right to enter into the USA, period. End of story.

  • @westside-steve said:

    And the guy that controls the broadcast has the last word.

    WSS

    Not anymore - this isn't the eighties where your sources for news were the TV and newspaper. The information (and disinformation) is all readily available on the internet. You can easily see for yourself, for example, the inauguration pictures showing Trump had a smaller crowd. Not a big deal you'd think, but Trump then tells everyone he had the biggest crowd ever. Then Spicer goes up in front of the press corps and says 'nobody can know because the national parks office doesn't keep numbers' literally seconds before saying 'we definitely had the biggest crowd'.

    Trump is trying to be the guy that controls the broadcast so he gets the last word, without realising he can't control the broadcast.

    @gftchris said:

    Not anymore - this isn't the eighties where your sources for news were the TV and newspaper. The information (and disinformation) is all readily available on the internet. You can easily see for yourself, for example, the inauguration pictures showing Trump had a smaller crowd. Not a big deal you'd think, but Trump then tells everyone he had the biggest crowd ever. Then Spicer goes up in front of the press corps and says 'nobody can know because the national parks office doesn't keep numbers' literally seconds before saying 'we definitely had the biggest crowd'.

    Trump is trying to be the guy that controls the broadcast so he gets the last word, without realising he can't control the broadcast.

    Ah, but he can. And he will. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha......

  • @westside-steve said:

    Just in case does anybody think the polls are either accurate or immune from manipulation???

    WSS

    This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.

    @osiris said:

    This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.

    Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls. 🙂

    WSS

  • @osiris said:

    This is why you have to look at polling from multiple sources asking the same or similar questions and take the results in aggregate.

    Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls. 🙂

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls. 🙂

    WSS

    Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.

  • @westside-steve said:

    Sounds good until you realize you're taking the aggregate of dozens of tainted polls. 🙂

    WSS

    Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.

    @osiris said:

    Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.

    Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...

    Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.

    WSS

  • @osiris said:

    Well, only if you believe that all polls are tainted by the same poison, which I personally don't.

    Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...

    Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...

    Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.

    WSS

    Regarding the election? I think the polls were partially a problem of under-representing rural America, but more importantly, they were misinterpreted. People thought "oh well these polls mean Trump will lose", but lose what? Everyone assumed the presidency, but the polls were saying he'd lose the popular vote, which he did. Not the same thing.

  • Either way, most of the important stuff isn't subject to opinion polls. Net migration, economic growth, carbon emissions, unemployment - things where it really matters, you're not asking joe six pack what he thinks the unemployment rate is.

  • even in Hollywood, admitting you voted for Trump can get you blackballed,

    or harrassed, etc.

    anywhere else, you can get assaulted...

    it's the left that does that, and it is now going mainstream with the left.

    Things are really out of hand, it's the left forcing it. and radical Muslims are happy

    to help, and soros bankrolls radical groups.

    It's a mess. Thank GOD for Trump.

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  • @westside-steve said:

    Possibly. I don't know many that were close to the mark. Now that doesn't mean they were all purposely incorrect but...

    Even still the aggregate if many or most were tainted is going to give you a bad number.

    WSS

    Regarding the election? I think the polls were partially a problem of under-representing rural America, but more importantly, they were misinterpreted. People thought "oh well these polls mean Trump will lose", but lose what? Everyone assumed the presidency, but the polls were saying he'd lose the popular vote, which he did. Not the same thing.

    @osiris said:

    Regarding the election? I think the polls were partially a problem of under-representing rural America, but more importantly, they were misinterpreted. People thought "oh well these polls mean Trump will lose", but lose what? Everyone assumed the presidency, but the polls were saying he'd lose the popular vote, which he did. Not the same thing.

    Final vote tallies from the November 8 election show that Democrat Hillary Clinton out-polled President-elect Donald Trump by 2.8 million votes while losing the contest by a wide margin in the all-important Electoral College.

    Her upper hand with voters, however, came down to performances in New York and California that were far stronger than necessary.

    Clinton won California by 4.2 million and took New York by more than 1.6 million. The combined 5.8 million-vote advantage in just those two states was more than twice the size of her overall edge nationwide.

    When the dust settled, she lost the rest of the country by 3 million votes.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html#ixzz4Xv0GVZDq

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  • say, this is interesting...

    Noncitizens, Voting Violations and U.S. Elections
    www.fairus.org/issue/noncitizens-voting-violations-and-u-s-elections
    Despite the fact that it is a crime for aliens to vote in federal elections, noncitizens and illegalaliens are counted when apportioning congressional districts.

    hmmm. no wonder the House tends to be demowhackic?

  • yep:

    Illegals assisted in voting in North Carolina Election | Project Veritas ...
    www.projectveritasaction.com/video/ncillegalvoting
    For the past week, Project Veritas Action investigators have been undercover posing as illegalimmigrants who slipped through the cracks due to Obama's ...
  • So the pee pee story is or isnt real?

  • @gftchris said:

    Half and half. He actually said:

    "Any negative polls are fake news, just like the CNN, ABC, NBC polls in the election. Sorry, people want border security and extreme vetting."

    I paraphrased it to highlight the Orwellian parallels.

    Got it. Don't think you need to paraphrase for the Orwellian parallels to be obvious, though. 🙂

    I am really interested to know what 'extreme vetting' means, in terms of policy details. Every time I bring up how rigorous the vetting process already is, people here don't seem interested in discussing the topic...

    @osiris said:

    Got it. Don't think you need to paraphrase for the Orwellian parallels to be obvious, though. 🙂

    I am really interested to know what 'extreme vetting' means, in terms of policy details. Every time I bring up how rigorous the vetting process already is, people here don't seem interested in discussing the topic...

    FBI director admitted 'we cannot properly vet' Middle Easterners ...
    www.politifact.com/.../fbi-admitted-it-cannot-properly-vet-middle-easter...
    Aug 12, 2016 - Even the director of the FBI said that we cannot properly vet people ... no way to guarantee America's safety as refugees flood the United States.
    FBI Admits US Can't Vet All Syrian Refugees For Terror Ties | The ...
    dailycaller.com/.../fbi-director-admits-us-cant-vet-all-syrian-refugees-for...
    Oct 21, 2015 - FBI Director Admits US Can't Vet All Syrian Refugees For Terror Ties [VIDEO]. Photo of ... But many Middle Eastern countries have refused to accept refugees, putting the burden on Europe and the West. ... Defiant for America.
    WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton Said Jordan 'Can't Possibly Vet All Those ...
    www.breitbart.com/.../wikileaks-hillary-clinton-jordan-cant-vet-refugees-...
    Oct 8, 2016 - WikiLeaks: Hillary Clinton Said Jordan 'Can't Possibly Vet All Those Refugees' from ... We also have to be vigilant in screening and vetting refugees from Syria, .... The average America can't see how Clinton could be more ...
    BREAKING WIKILEAKS: Hillary Admits U.S. Can't Possibly Vet Muslim ...
    100percentfedup.com/breaking-wikileaks-hillary-admits-u-s-cant-possibl...
    Oct 10, 2016 - “They can't possibly vet all those refugees” – Hillary Clinton speaking to a ... “refugees” enter America who “could” be jihadis who want to kill us.
    Trump's executive order on refugees closes America to those who ...
    www.vox.com/2017/1/27/14370854/trump-refugee-ban-order-muslim
    Jan 27, 2017 - While the refugee program is paused, that vetting cannot go forward. ... Instead of the US blacklisting countries whose residents can't come to ...
    FBI Director Admits US Will Have No Basis to Vet Some Syrian Refugees
    www.cnsnews.com/.../fbi-director-admits-us-will-have-no-basis-vet-some...
    Oct 21, 2015 - “You can't account for what you don't know, and that goes to the .... Yes, German Jews were among the refugees who also came to America.
    A look at how Syrian refugees were vetted before Trump - CBS News
    www.cbsnews.com › 60 Minutes › Newsmakers
    Jan 29, 2017 - Syrian refugees are barred indefinitely, pending a review of the screening process. ... So, what has the vetting process been? ... Bill Whitaker: You know there are manyAmericans who don't trust government to fix the roads ... She says she can't work, she can'teducate her children, she has no opportunity.
    FBI admits there's no way to screen all Syrian refugees coming into US ...
    www.dailymail.co.uk/.../FBI-admits-s-no-way-screen-Syrian-refugees-O...
    Oct 21, 2015 - FBI Director James Comey testifies on Syrian refugees ... the US would allow 10,000 Syrian refugees into America, although it ... 'A lot of us are concerned about whether you have enough information available to you to do an accurate vetting,' .... 'Can't win them all': Patriots patron Mark Wahlberg consoles ...
    Ex-DHS head: We can't vet Syrian refugees | TheHill
    thehill.com/policy/.../264268-ex-dhs-head-we-cant-vet-syrian-refugees
    Dec 27, 2015 - The former head of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) says the U.S. does not have the capabilities to vet Syrian refugees seeking ...
    Hillary in 2013: “They can't possibly vet all those refugees” - Jihad Watch
    Oct 10, 2016 - Hillary in 2013: “They can't possibly vet all those refugees” ... welcoming 55 thousand Syrian refugees every year into America and accusing ...
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  • Steve - from a moderation standpoint at what point do we politely ask cal to refrain from cluttering up the forum by just dumping a seemingly incessant torrent of google searches?

  • Steve - from a moderation standpoint at what point do we politely ask cal to refrain from cluttering up the forum by just dumping a seemingly incessant torrent of google searches?

    @gftchris said:

    Steve - from a moderation standpoint at what point do we politely ask cal to refrain from cluttering up the forum by just dumping a seemingly incessant torrent of google searches?

    One more reason why I put him on ignore. I only wish the ignore feature on this board was a true ignore where you couldn't even see that the person posted. I don't condone censorship but I would like the ability to have a true ignore feature on the board.