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Connect the dots? Browns hire Tyrod Taylor's QB coach from Buffalo
Pat McManamonESPN Staff WriterTyrod Taylor, anyone?
The Cleveland Browns hired their quarterbacks coach Wednesday. He is David Lee, who spent the last two seasons with the Buffalo Bills, where he coached -- yes -- Taylor.
While this isn't college basketball, where the recruit's father can somehow wind up with a job at the school where the recruit decides to play, there are readily evident connectable dots here.
Taylor checks off almost every box of Browns coach Hue Jackson's requirements for a quarterback:- He's dependable. Taylor started 29 of 31 games for the Bills before being held out of the season finale for financial reasons.
- He's accurate. Taylor completed 61 percent of his throws the last two seasons.
- He protects the ball. He threw 12 interceptions in two seasons.
- He gets in the end zone. He had 37 touchdowns passing and 10 running the last two seasons.
It's been a while since I remember reading an article by Pat.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
The Bills gave Taylor a five-year, $90 million extension in training camp, but it included an interesting out clause. There's an option for the Bills to walk away from the contract when the new league year begins in March, and the dead cap hit would be only about $2.8 million. If they choose to stick with Taylor and pick up the option, they would have to pay Taylor $27.5 million in salary and bonus in 2017, plus another $3 million bonus that is due in 2018 becomes active.
If they trade for Taylor, and team is on the hook for $27.5m in 2017. That's $12m in base and $15.5m in essentially 'roster bonus' - he has a good agent. We have the green to do that, but it's an awful lot.
This would surely suppress any trade market for him, and would possibly lead to them cutting him, on the same day as the trading is possible.
If they trade for Taylor, and team is on the hook for $27.5m in 2017. That's $12m in base and $15.5m in essentially 'roster bonus' - he has a good agent. We have the green to do that, but it's an awful lot.
This would surely suppress any trade market for him, and would possibly lead to them cutting him, on the same day as the trading is possible.
I understood that TAylor is to be a FA, so no trade would be required.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
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If you are not sold on Garapolo at the price the Pats are asking, and you don't believe any of the QB's in the draft are a franchise guy, or at least need a few years of seasoning before they can start, they Taylor makes a great option as a bridge QB at the very least.
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If they trade for Taylor, and team is on the hook for $27.5m in 2017. That's $12m in base and $15.5m in essentially 'roster bonus' - he has a good agent. We have the green to do that, but it's an awful lot.
This would surely suppress any trade market for him, and would possibly lead to them cutting him, on the same day as the trading is possible.
I understood that TAylor is to be a FA, so no trade would be required.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Do you know why he got the contract? Cause he decided to not show up at camp for his last 500k. of a contract. Think JG will show up to camp with 700k remaining on his..No Way Pats. Franchise JG but must tag by 3-1. In the draft we will have our answer when & if they trade JG..Popcorn is ready
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And we're off!
Connect the dots? Browns hire Tyrod Taylor's QB coach from Buffalo
Pat McManamonESPN Staff WriterTyrod Taylor, anyone?
The Cleveland Browns hired their quarterbacks coach Wednesday. He is David Lee, who spent the last two seasons with the Buffalo Bills, where he coached -- yes -- Taylor.
While this isn't college basketball, where the recruit's father can somehow wind up with a job at the school where the recruit decides to play, there are readily evident connectable dots here.
Taylor checks off almost every box of Browns coach Hue Jackson's requirements for a quarterback:- He's dependable. Taylor started 29 of 31 games for the Bills before being held out of the season finale for financial reasons.
- He's accurate. Taylor completed 61 percent of his throws the last two seasons.
- He protects the ball. He threw 12 interceptions in two seasons.
- He gets in the end zone. He had 37 touchdowns passing and 10 running the last two seasons.
It's been a while since I remember reading an article by Pat.
And we're off!
Connect the dots? Browns hire Tyrod Taylor's QB coach from Buffalo
Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer
Tyrod Taylor, anyone?
I forgot to mention that I'm pat Mac right?
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If they trade for Taylor, and team is on the hook for $27.5m in 2017. That's $12m in base and $15.5m in essentially 'roster bonus' - he has a good agent. We have the green to do that, but it's an awful lot.
This would surely suppress any trade market for him, and would possibly lead to them cutting him, on the same day as the trading is possible.
I understood that TAylor is to be a FA, so no trade would be required.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Expensive as hell to cut, but at ~$17mm/season, not to play. So it comes down to evaluation.
I don't know if TT is gold, but his 63% connect percentage and 3:1 TD to INT ratio over the past two years aren't indicative of stupid play. The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Expensive as hell to cut, but at ~$17mm/season, not to play. So it comes down to evaluation.
I don't know if TT is gold, but his 63% connect percentage and 3:1 TD to INT ratio over the past two years aren't indicative of stupid play. The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
Expensive as hell to cut, but at ~$17mm/season, not to play. So it comes down to evaluation.
I don't know if TT is gold, but his 63% connect percentage and 3:1 TD to INT ratio over the past two years aren't indicative of stupid play. The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
Pop quiz - who are Buffalo's top receivers? If you said Sammy Watkins, you're half right - except he only caught 28 passes (5th on team) for 430 yards (4th), and 2 TDs (4th).
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/team-stats.html
Anyone there scare a DC outside of Shady?
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Expensive as hell to cut, but at ~$17mm/season, not to play. So it comes down to evaluation.
I don't know if TT is gold, but his 63% connect percentage and 3:1 TD to INT ratio over the past two years aren't indicative of stupid play. The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
Pop quiz - who are Buffalo's top receivers? If you said Sammy Watkins, you're half right - except he only caught 28 passes (5th on team) for 430 yards (4th), and 2 TDs (4th).
http://www.buffalobills.com/team/team-stats.html
Anyone there scare a DC outside of Shady?
Pop quiz - who are Buffalo's top receivers? If you said Sammy Watkins, you're half right - except he only caught 28 passes (5th on team) for 430 yards (4th), and 2 TDs (4th).
When your WR corps is not strong (or available) your TE rises to the top.... Clay in BUF in 2016... Barn in CLE in 2015.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Pop quiz - who are Buffalo's top receivers? If you said Sammy Watkins, you're half right - except he only caught 28 passes (5th on team) for 430 yards (4th), and 2 TDs (4th).
When your WR corps is not strong (or available) your TE rises to the top.... Clay in BUF in 2016... Barn in CLE in 2015.
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If they trade for Taylor, and team is on the hook for $27.5m in 2017. That's $12m in base and $15.5m in essentially 'roster bonus' - he has a good agent. We have the green to do that, but it's an awful lot.
This would surely suppress any trade market for him, and would possibly lead to them cutting him, on the same day as the trading is possible.
I understood that TAylor is to be a FA, so no trade would be required.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
OK, then. I guess then I don't understand why there would be much credence into the idea of acquiring him.
If the Bills wouldn't want him, why the fuck would the Browns have any interest in him?
I would still question if the guy would be an upgrade from RG3 at all at this point.
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Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Do you know why he got the contract? Cause he decided to not show up at camp for his last 500k. of a contract. Think JG will show up to camp with 700k remaining on his..No Way Pats. Franchise JG but must tag by 3-1. In the draft we will have our answer when & if they trade JG..Popcorn is ready
Do you know why he got the contract? Cause he decided to not show up at camp for his last 500k. of a contract. Think JG will show up to camp with 700k remaining on his..No Way Pats. Franchise JG but must tag by 3-1. In the draft we will have our answer when & if they trade JG..Popcorn is ready
Well, you know my view. I would not give up more than our #52 pick for JG. In addition....if they did do a trade for him, it would have to be contingent on him signing an extension....at some reasonable price. Certainly NOT franchise tag rate.
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Do you know why he got the contract? Cause he decided to not show up at camp for his last 500k. of a contract. Think JG will show up to camp with 700k remaining on his..No Way Pats. Franchise JG but must tag by 3-1. In the draft we will have our answer when & if they trade JG..Popcorn is ready
Well, you know my view. I would not give up more than our #52 pick for JG. In addition....if they did do a trade for him, it would have to be contingent on him signing an extension....at some reasonable price. Certainly NOT franchise tag rate.
Well, you know my view. I would not give up more than our #52 pick for JG. In addition....if they did do a trade for him, it would have to be contingent on him signing an extension....at some reasonable price. Certainly NOT franchise tag rate.
How did that work in the Collins deal? Pretty damn well imo. I am not a big fan of grass basketball QB's. It's smoke n mirrors season. With this QB coach decision all signs point to Tyrod, RG3 & maybe a Watson as our QB's. But Shawn McDerrmit is a defensive, 1st year HC at Bills counting on a Cardell Jones & EJ Manual & a underachieving good defense? Am not buying it.. Am a pocket, see it & rip it guy. That's AJ McCarron, JG & Mitch. Pats wanted a 2nd & 4th to start with for JG. As good ownership should do they value JG now as a 1st, due to the falling stock in draftable QB's in this draft.. We start the 2nd with #33.IMO that's our safest bet to land a JG.. To many hungry QB teams will remain on the board to #52 & he won't be there comparing valued player to the "might be" board. But yes, you take Mitch's value for what it is.....#12(whole lot still pending)
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Nope, Chris is right... http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/tyrod-taylor-7899/ Signed a 5 year contract and is in year 2. Will cost the Bills a ton to cut him in a cap hit.
Expensive as hell to cut, but at ~$17mm/season, not to play. So it comes down to evaluation.
I don't know if TT is gold, but his 63% connect percentage and 3:1 TD to INT ratio over the past two years aren't indicative of stupid play. The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
I was alarmed in sacks myself T..36 in 2015..42 in 2016...Rg3 was sacked 22 times in 5 games. But if a scramble leads to a tackle behind LOS of -1..It is recorded as a sack? sure seems like it in Tyrod's case
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Well, you know my view. I would not give up more than our #52 pick for JG. In addition....if they did do a trade for him, it would have to be contingent on him signing an extension....at some reasonable price. Certainly NOT franchise tag rate.
How did that work in the Collins deal? Pretty damn well imo. I am not a big fan of grass basketball QB's. It's smoke n mirrors season. With this QB coach decision all signs point to Tyrod, RG3 & maybe a Watson as our QB's. But Shawn McDerrmit is a defensive, 1st year HC at Bills counting on a Cardell Jones & EJ Manual & a underachieving good defense? Am not buying it.. Am a pocket, see it & rip it guy. That's AJ McCarron, JG & Mitch. Pats wanted a 2nd & 4th to start with for JG. As good ownership should do they value JG now as a 1st, due to the falling stock in draftable QB's in this draft.. We start the 2nd with #33.IMO that's our safest bet to land a JG.. To many hungry QB teams will remain on the board to #52 & he won't be there comparing valued player to the "might be" board. But yes, you take Mitch's value for what it is.....#12(whole lot still pending)
How did that work in the Collins deal? Pretty damn well imo. I am not a big fan of grass basketball QB's. It's smoke n mirrors season. With this QB coach decision all signs point to Tyrod, RG3 & maybe a Watson as our QB's. But Shawn McDerrmit is a defensive, 1st year HC at Bills counting on a Cardell Jones & EJ Manual & a underachieving good defense? Am not buying it.. Am a pocket, see it & rip it guy. That's AJ McCarron, JG & Mitch. Pats wanted a 2nd & 4th to start with for JG. As good ownership should do they value JG now as a 1st, due to the falling stock in draftable QB's in this draft.. We start the 2nd with #33.IMO that's our safest bet to land a JG.. To many hungry QB teams will remain on the board to #52 & he won't be there comparing valued player to the "might be" board. But yes, you take Mitch's value for what it is.....#12(whole lot still pending)
There are too many QB hungry teams out there at he top of the draft. Trubisky will never last until #12. Browns, 49ers, Bears, Jets, now probably Cardinals all need QBs. Hell, 3 QBs could all be drafted before pick #12.
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How did that work in the Collins deal? Pretty damn well imo. I am not a big fan of grass basketball QB's. It's smoke n mirrors season. With this QB coach decision all signs point to Tyrod, RG3 & maybe a Watson as our QB's. But Shawn McDerrmit is a defensive, 1st year HC at Bills counting on a Cardell Jones & EJ Manual & a underachieving good defense? Am not buying it.. Am a pocket, see it & rip it guy. That's AJ McCarron, JG & Mitch. Pats wanted a 2nd & 4th to start with for JG. As good ownership should do they value JG now as a 1st, due to the falling stock in draftable QB's in this draft.. We start the 2nd with #33.IMO that's our safest bet to land a JG.. To many hungry QB teams will remain on the board to #52 & he won't be there comparing valued player to the "might be" board. But yes, you take Mitch's value for what it is.....#12(whole lot still pending)
There are too many QB hungry teams out there at he top of the draft. Trubisky will never last until #12. Browns, 49ers, Bears, Jets, now probably Cardinals all need QBs. Hell, 3 QBs could all be drafted before pick #12.
There are too many QB hungry teams out there at he top of the draft. Trubisky will never last until #12. Browns, 49ers, Bears, Jets, now probably Cardinals all need QBs. Hell, 3 QBs could all be drafted before pick #12.
....Football Gods if your listening...The Browns have traded pick #33 to the New England Patriots & The Patriots our on the clock 
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I thought it was March 11th. I guess I thought wrong.
We NEEDED a QB coach. Now is the best time to get one (while some of 'em are available).
Yes, we need a QB too....but we can't get one of them now...right? So let's do what we can now.....unless someone thinks it's a good idea to get the QB first and then let HIM pick his QB coach.
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The only thing that gives pause is his sack total which seems high for a "mobile" QB.
I was alarmed in sacks myself T..36 in 2015..42 in 2016...Rg3 was sacked 22 times in 5 games. But if a scramble leads to a tackle behind LOS of -1..It is recorded as a sack? sure seems like it in Tyrod's case
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Apparently you do, cause your the one writing novels trying to convince others that your smart and they're dumb.@ghoolie said:
Seriously, who the fuck gets excited about this kind of shit?
Cause a smart guy wouldn't post this and out himself as a moron...
Idiots? No, Idiot...As in you.@ghoolie said:
Fucking ridiculous. Why get rid of the QB coach you had? It seems to me the fucking guy you need to get rid of is the one who BUILT THE REBUILDING FOUNDATION on Black Tarkenton, McCown and Kessler the China Glass Passer.
Idiots, man, fucking idiots.
You don't even know the circumstance that surrounded the parting of a coach, wrongly blame the FO, and still expect anyone to give your opinion any credence?
? Yeah, I'm sure you get all the other details right...Just not that one.
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Does anyone really think that would be an upgrade from RG3?
ummmmmm yeah. RG3 is garbage.
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