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  • Out of those 2 id prefer the garrett cook way more!!!

    ALSO im thinking more and more tyrod taylor will be our qb next year so id like see a garett-cook or oj howard 1st rd) best qb in 2nd rd to sit a year or 2.

  • Is my wariness of LSU guys justified? DBs and DL in particular? They're all 5 stars and they just out talent people in college. At least at Alabama you know they're being lorded over by a dictator of technique. Things were more lax under Miles and Chavis (don't know about Aranda yet).

    @wargograw said:

    Is my wariness of LSU guys justified? DBs and DL in particular? They're all 5 stars and they just out talent people in college. At least at Alabama you know they're being lorded over by a dictator of technique. Things were more lax under Miles and Chavis (don't know about Aranda yet).

    No more so than wariness of TAMU guys as far as first round picks...hell the whole SEC

    Mingo, Manziel. Richardson. Warren. Couch. We got shit on by the entire SEC. (Well, there was Joe Haden).

    The ACC isn't much better: Erving, Wimbley, K2. Green.

    And fucking Oklahoma St? Gilbert and Weeden. Keeee- riste

    At least the Big Ten gave us JT.

  • If I were the Browns, I would offer our 1st pick in the second round for JG. I think NE would say no, until the first round comes to an end and they're still holding on to JG. Then they'll come to their senses. If not, we pick best QB available and hope for the best.

    Then I would go 1. Garrett and 2. (Surprise!! guess who falls to us?) Mike Williams. Then JG, and then go best available CB or S.

    Now that could change the dynamics of this team!

  • If I were the Browns, I would offer our 1st pick in the second round for JG. I think NE would say no, until the first round comes to an end and they're still holding on to JG. Then they'll come to their senses. If not, we pick best QB available and hope for the best.

    Then I would go 1. Garrett and 2. (Surprise!! guess who falls to us?) Mike Williams. Then JG, and then go best available CB or S.

    Now that could change the dynamics of this team!

    @frenchie said:

    If I were the Browns, I would offer our 1st pick in the second round for JG. I think NE would say no, until the first round comes to an end and they're still holding on to JG. Then they'll come to their senses. If not, we pick best QB available and hope for the best.

    Then I would go 1. Garrett and 2. (Surprise!! guess who falls to us?) Mike Williams. Then JG, and then go best available CB or S.

    Now that could change the dynamics of this team!

    NO

  • Mike William??? at 12? for the Browns?

    no way. He isn't a dramatic impact player like Howard.

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/mike-williams?id=2557966

    WEAKNESSES Natural pass catcher who will occasionally run into focus drops. Drops issue found him over second half of the season. Route work lacks focus and energy. Creates very little indecision from cornerbacks with his head fakes and jab steps. Ability to win with physical traits could dry up on next level. Could use better understanding of route leverage to open wider passing lanes for quarterbacks. Plant-and-go at the stem lacks crispness as does acceleration from his cuts. Average release quickness. Gets hung up by press corners with a good lead jab. Needs to play to his size. Gets muscled against sideline too often. Fumbled twice this season. Neck injury forced him to miss entire 2015 season so until he clears combine medicals, teams may have a red flag on him. SOURCES TELL US "Really pretty looking when you watch him down on the field but he's not there yet. I think he'll get there but he's not there yet. I don't think he's going to run as fast as people think. When college players get up here and find out that cornerbacks are faster and more physical, there is an adjustment period. I think it will take him some time to figure things out but I think he'll do it. He's going to be good, I just don't know if he's going to be a star." -- NFC Pro Personnel Director NFL COMPARISON

    Plaxico Burress

  • @wargograw said:

    Is my wariness of LSU guys justified? DBs and DL in particular? They're all 5 stars and they just out talent people in college. At least at Alabama you know they're being lorded over by a dictator of technique. Things were more lax under Miles and Chavis (don't know about Aranda yet).

    No more so than wariness of TAMU guys as far as first round picks...hell the whole SEC

    Mingo, Manziel. Richardson. Warren. Couch. We got shit on by the entire SEC. (Well, there was Joe Haden).

    The ACC isn't much better: Erving, Wimbley, K2. Green.

    And fucking Oklahoma St? Gilbert and Weeden. Keeee- riste

    At least the Big Ten gave us JT.

    @the-gipper said:

    No more so than wariness of TAMU guys as far as first round picks...hell the whole SEC

    Mingo, Manziel. Richardson. Warren. Couch. We got shit on by the entire SEC. (Well, there was Joe Haden).

    The ACC isn't much better: Erving, Wimbley, K2. Green.

    And fucking Oklahoma St? Gilbert and Weeden. Keeee- riste

    At least the Big Ten gave us JT.

    One school to one NFL team means nothing. Especially when your sample size is 1 or 2. LSU has a DB in the first round practically every year and the only ones I can name based on their NFL performances are Peterson and Mathieu.

  • @the-gipper said:

    No more so than wariness of TAMU guys as far as first round picks...hell the whole SEC

    Mingo, Manziel. Richardson. Warren. Couch. We got shit on by the entire SEC. (Well, there was Joe Haden).

    The ACC isn't much better: Erving, Wimbley, K2. Green.

    And fucking Oklahoma St? Gilbert and Weeden. Keeee- riste

    At least the Big Ten gave us JT.

    One school to one NFL team means nothing. Especially when your sample size is 1 or 2. LSU has a DB in the first round practically every year and the only ones I can name based on their NFL performances are Peterson and Mathieu.

    @wargograw said:

    LSU has a DB in the first round practically every year and the only ones I can name based on their NFL performances are Peterson and Mathieu.

    Don't need a monopoly in DB's but it sure would help if their 40's,high jump & reactions were quicker/higher than some of our opponents receivers..still waiting on that anal-lynics

  • Hopefully we can build the defense the first two picks. If we can get Trumaine Johnson in free agency we could go Garett then some skill offensive player.

  • Mike Maylock's top 5 per position---QB a bit of a surprise.

    And LSU's White is #5 out of 5 @ CB. Not a #12 overall in that slot.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785722/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

  • @the-gipper said:

    No more so than wariness of TAMU guys as far as first round picks...hell the whole SEC

    Mingo, Manziel. Richardson. Warren. Couch. We got shit on by the entire SEC. (Well, there was Joe Haden).

    The ACC isn't much better: Erving, Wimbley, K2. Green.

    And fucking Oklahoma St? Gilbert and Weeden. Keeee- riste

    At least the Big Ten gave us JT.

    One school to one NFL team means nothing. Especially when your sample size is 1 or 2. LSU has a DB in the first round practically every year and the only ones I can name based on their NFL performances are Peterson and Mathieu.

    @wargograw said:

    One school to one NFL team means nothing. Especially when your sample size is 1 or 2. LSU has a DB in the first round practically every year and the only ones I can name based on their NFL performances are Peterson and Mathieu.

    Well....maybe the problem has been our scouting department/GMs. No matter where guys come from, SEC, ACC, Big 12 or what school, they seem to come out busts.

    We have had Big Ten busts as well: Braylon And Notre Dame busts: Quinn

    The Pac 10 may not have been so bad: Alex Mack/Danny Shelton

  • Mike Maylock's top 5 per position---QB a bit of a surprise.

    And LSU's White is #5 out of 5 @ CB. Not a #12 overall in that slot.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785722/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

    @texasag1969 said:

    Mike Maylock's top 5 per position---QB a bit of a surprise.

    And LSU's White is #5 out of 5 @ CB. Not a #12 overall in that slot.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785722/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

    Again...he says the only question about MT is that he has only started one year. That is all anyone ever says.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Mike Maylock's top 5 per position---QB a bit of a surprise.

    And LSU's White is #5 out of 5 @ CB. Not a #12 overall in that slot.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000785722/article/mike-mayocks-2017-nfl-draft-position-rankings

    Again...he says the only question about MT is that he has only started one year. That is all anyone ever says.

    @the-gipper said:

    Again...he says the only question about MT is that he has only started one year. That is all anyone ever says.

    And if the pro teams agree then it's a moot point. He will slide.

  • Don't know if anyone has seen this guy QB ratings before, goes back to 2008 and lists hand size etc too. He has a cut off point for each statistic which he then deems to be undraftable.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/edit#gid=156597622

  • @the-gipper said:

    Again...he says the only question about MT is that he has only started one year. That is all anyone ever says.

    And if the pro teams agree then it's a moot point. He will slide.

    @texasag1969 said:

    And if the pro teams agree then it's a moot point. He will slide.

    If the Browns must go Garrett, it would be great in my opinion if he slid to 12. I don't think it will happen, but that would be good.

    And, oh, yea....I am supposed to be on a Moratorium from all this draft talk. Sorry.

  • Don't know if anyone has seen this guy QB ratings before, goes back to 2008 and lists hand size etc too. He has a cut off point for each statistic which he then deems to be undraftable.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/edit#gid=156597622

    @londonbrown said:

    Don't know if anyone has seen this guy QB ratings before, goes back to 2008 and lists hand size etc too. He has a cut off point for each statistic which he then deems to be undraftable.

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_-SienfT3umX0HKxRyQqyXM9BqHrotdcQA6W-V_pDiY/edit#gid=156597622

    Still a lot of data to be filled in there. There, besides height and weight, he only lists hand size for some, and the character issue with Kelly.

    By the way....I heard a couple of guys talking who said that Kelly would be the best QB in this draft were it not for his "character issues". Curious.

  • Yeah not complete for this year yet but updates pretty regularly after combine etc

    Happy to take a flyer on Kelly with a later round pick, he clearly has talent and who knows, might grow up when he reaches the NFL.

  • Yeah not complete for this year yet but updates pretty regularly after combine etc

    Happy to take a flyer on Kelly with a later round pick, he clearly has talent and who knows, might grow up when he reaches the NFL.

    @londonbrown said:

    Yeah not complete for this year yet but updates pretty regularly after combine etc

    Happy to take a flyer on Kelly with a later round pick, he clearly has talent and who knows, might grow up when he reaches the NFL.

    And, hopefully his uncle....who had his initial frat boy image became a pretty solid pro and solid citizen...could rub off on him.

    I predict that the Bills draft him as a legacy.

  • @texasag1969 said:

    And if the pro teams agree then it's a moot point. He will slide.

    If the Browns must go Garrett, it would be great in my opinion if he slid to 12. I don't think it will happen, but that would be good.

    And, oh, yea....I am supposed to be on a Moratorium from all this draft talk. Sorry.

    @the-gipper said:

    If the Browns must go Garrett, it would be great in my opinion if he slid to 12. I don't think it will happen, but that would be good.

    And, oh, yea....I am supposed to be on a Moratorium from all this draft talk. Sorry.

    LOL! But I did not agree to have a personal moratorium on trolling you. Here fishy fishy. 😆

  • @the-gipper said:

    If the Browns must go Garrett, it would be great in my opinion if he slid to 12. I don't think it will happen, but that would be good.

    And, oh, yea....I am supposed to be on a Moratorium from all this draft talk. Sorry.

    LOL! But I did not agree to have a personal moratorium on trolling you. Here fishy fishy. 😆

    @texasag1969 said:

    LOL! But I did not agree to have a personal moratorium on trolling you. Here fishy fishy. 😆

    Shit. Hardly. You get swallowed whole.