Jimmy Garoppolo Speculation
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Hoorta---You should hear yourself. Andy Dalton was a Pro Bowl QB, but he was the 3rd guy they called. Sniff!
And we both know how much would you'd love to have a competent mid level QB, nevermind a 2-time Pro Bowler like Dalton. Hell, I'm guessing you'd kill to have Brian Hoyer back.
As for Hue losing credibility with you? I say it was bound to happen. IMO Hue overthinks everything and his mad scientist reputation is grossly overrated. He's running his own show now, presumably, but when he was with the Bengals he ran a version of Jay Gruden's offensive scheme. And when he was HC of the Raiders he ran of version of Bob Bratkowski's old Bengal scheme. As a playcaller he's innovative but frustratingly hit or miss.
More troubling, as a RB coach Hue oversaw the remaking of the Bengals running game, and then as OC he managed it's rapid decline. I'd be a rich man if I had a dollar for every time Hue Jackson promised to...."get the Bengals running game turnt." He never did and his reward for his lasting failure was a head coaching job. I wasn't unhappy to see him go.
Last, I'm pretty happy to hear so many draft simulations have Trubisky going in the 1st round. Trust me, almost nothing would make me happier than seeing the Browns select Trubisky 1st overall OR blindly hand Jimmy Garappolo 25 bags of money. Makes me get tingly all over just thinking about it. But obviously as a Bengal fan I'd rather talk about McCarron, mostly because he is being shopped and you guys are always buyers.
Hoorta---You should hear yourself. Andy Dalton was a Pro Bowl QB, but he was the 3rd guy they called. Sniff!
Well, lets consider the AFC QBs out there: You would not take Dalton over: Brady, BR, Flacco, Luck, Smith, Carr, Rivers.
Mariota is up and coming and will be better than Dalton.
That leaves Dalton possibly a better choice than: Trevor Siemian. Brock Osweiler maybe Bortles (maybe not), maybe Tannehill (maybe not) maybe Tyrod Taylor (maybe not). Whatever the Jets put out there, whatever the Browns put out there.
So, I see where he is clearly a better QB than what only 3 AFC teams put on the field,...and maybe better than 3 others...and maybe not.
Go ahead...take a survey of the group here. Which AFC QBs would or would you not prefer to have over Dalton.
He is only middle of the road, at best.
He makes the Pro Bowl because all those other guys bow out...feign injury.
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Hoorta---Yeah, I'm familiar with Ghoolies ravings. Black Tarkenton. Joe Thomas is a putz. Hue is a loser.
My take? Ghoolie isn't right as often as he claims and he's not wrong so often he deserves to be ignored. For starters, Joe Thomas is a putz.
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Hoorta---You should hear yourself. Andy Dalton was a Pro Bowl QB, but he was the 3rd guy they called. Sniff!
Well, lets consider the AFC QBs out there: You would not take Dalton over: Brady, BR, Flacco, Luck, Smith, Carr, Rivers.
Mariota is up and coming and will be better than Dalton.
That leaves Dalton possibly a better choice than: Trevor Siemian. Brock Osweiler maybe Bortles (maybe not), maybe Tannehill (maybe not) maybe Tyrod Taylor (maybe not). Whatever the Jets put out there, whatever the Browns put out there.
So, I see where he is clearly a better QB than what only 3 AFC teams put on the field,...and maybe better than 3 others...and maybe not.
Go ahead...take a survey of the group here. Which AFC QBs would or would you not prefer to have over Dalton.
He is only middle of the road, at best.
He makes the Pro Bowl because all those other guys bow out...feign injury.
Hoorta---You should hear yourself. Andy Dalton was a Pro Bowl QB, but he was the 3rd guy they called. Sniff!
Well, lets consider the AFC QBs out there: You would not take Dalton over: Brady, BR, Flacco, Luck, Smith, Carr, Rivers.
Mariota is up and coming and will be better than Dalton.
That leaves Dalton possibly a better choice than: Trevor Siemian. Brock Osweiler maybe Bortles (maybe not), maybe Tannehill (maybe not) maybe Tyrod Taylor (maybe not). Whatever the Jets put out there, whatever the Browns put out there.
So, I see where he is clearly a better QB than what only 3 AFC teams put on the field,...and maybe better than 3 others...and maybe not.
Go ahead...take a survey of the group here. Which AFC QBs would or would you not prefer to have over Dalton.
He is only middle of the road, at best.
He makes the Pro Bowl because all those other guys bow out...feign injury.
And NFC- Here's the nopes- Prescott, Manning, Cousins, Stafford, Rodgers, Ryan, Brees, Newton, Winston, Wilson. So I stand by my 18, more like 22. Wentz (jury out, and the Eagles aren't trading him) Vikings might trade you Bradford for him, but not Bridgewater.
That he's better than what the Browns have had lately isn't the point. I said mid level qb compared to the rest of the league, and I'll stand by that. If you think he's top 10, I'm not going to debate you. And El Foldo Grande in the playoffs. 0-4, 1 TD 6 ints, and a stellar 58 qbr.
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Gipper---I'm taking Dalton over Flacco, Smith, Carr, and aging hillbilly Phillip Rivers faster than you can look in the mirror and say the word bloviate. And without any prompting from me you just admitted that Mariota, drafted top3 overall, isn't better than Dalton yet, and may never be. Plus, Mariotta has a severely broken leg, courtesy of the running skills he has that have almost no value in the Bengals passing scheme. Simply put, no black Tarkentons or impromptu playmakers are needed in a passing offense built around the pre-snap read, precise route running & timing, and above all....the QB getting the ball out of his hands in under 3 beats. Fast legs, a rocket arm, and a great set of tits are not required. Moving on, I also take Dalton over Siemian, Tannehill, and Osweiler, the latter being noteworthy only because it was the Texans who were thought by many to be the team that attempted to trade for McCarron last year. That leaves me taking Dalton over whatever the Browns and Jets throw against the wall on any given week.
Bottom Line: Andy Dalton is no Dick Shiner. Rather, he's a two-time Pro Bowl QB and even his backup is better than your current starter.
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Hoorta---That Dalton is better than anything the Browns have is exactly the point.
Well, that, and the fact that McCarron is also better than anything on your roster. And Garappolo too, right? So rather than concern yourself with the 18 or so QBs you think are better than Dalton try focusing on the 40 or so NFL starting AND backup QB's who are better than any of your teams QB's. And then factor in the handful of college QB's who are better.
Finally, there's Canada to consider.
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Gipper---I'm taking Dalton over Flacco, Smith, Carr, and aging hillbilly Phillip Rivers faster than you can look in the mirror and say the word bloviate. And without any prompting from me you just admitted that Mariota, drafted top3 overall, isn't better than Dalton yet, and may never be. Plus, Mariotta has a severely broken leg, courtesy of the running skills he has that have almost no value in the Bengals passing scheme. Simply put, no black Tarkentons or impromptu playmakers are needed in a passing offense built around the pre-snap read, precise route running & timing, and above all....the QB getting the ball out of his hands in under 3 beats. Fast legs, a rocket arm, and a great set of tits are not required. Moving on, I also take Dalton over Siemian, Tannehill, and Osweiler, the latter being noteworthy only because it was the Texans who were thought by many to be the team that attempted to trade for McCarron last year. That leaves me taking Dalton over whatever the Browns and Jets throw against the wall on any given week.
Bottom Line: Andy Dalton is no Dick Shiner. Rather, he's a two-time Pro Bowl QB and even his backup is better than your current starter.
Gipper---I'm taking Dalton over Flacco, Smith, Carr, and aging hillbilly Phillip Rivers faster than you can look in the mirror and say the word bloviate.
Well, you can if you want....but no one here would, nor likely any NFL teams either.
And without any prompting from me you just admitted that Mariota, drafted top3 overall, isn't better than Dalton yet, and may never be. Plus, Mariotta has a severely broken leg, courtesy of the running skills he has that have almost no value in the Bengals passing scheme.
No...I said that Mariota is young. Only played two years. I would right here, right now take him over Dalton...and again...so would likely every NFL team.
Simply put, no black Tarkentons or impromptu playmakers are needed in a passing offense built around the pre-snap read, precise route running & timing, and above all....the QB getting the ball out of his hands in under 3 beats. Fast legs, a rocket arm, and a great set of tits are not required. Moving on, I also take Dalton over Siemian, Tannehill, and Osweiler, the latter being noteworthy only because it was the Texans who were thought by many to be the team that attempted to trade for McCarron last year. That leaves me taking Dalton over whatever the Browns and Jets throw against the wall on any given week.
Bottom Line: Andy Dalton is no Dick Shiner. Rather, he's a two-time Pro Bowl QB and even his backup is better than your current starter.
And that's really going to be your big climax.....they are better than what the Browns got?
Fucking hell, man....you just won the lottery in a slam dunk. My God...open up the Gates at 2121 George Halas Dr. Canton OH. Let the guy enter with a flourish.
ROTFLMFAO
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Hoorta---That Dalton is better than anything the Browns have is exactly the point.
Well, that, and the fact that McCarron is also better than anything on your roster. And Garappolo too, right? So rather than concern yourself with the 18 or so QBs you think are better than Dalton try focusing on the 40 or so NFL starting AND backup QB's who are better than any of your teams QB's. And then factor in the handful of college QB's who are better.
Finally, there's Canada to consider.
Hoorta---That Dalton is better than anything the Browns have is exactly the point.
Well, that, and the fact that McCarron is also better than anything on your roster. And Garappolo too, right? So rather than concern yourself with the 18 or so QBs you think are better than Dalton try focusing on the 40 or so NFL starting AND backup QB's who are better than any of your teams QB's. And then factor in the handful of college QB's who are better.
Finally, there's Canada to consider.
Have you been reading this forum, or have you just been contemplating your navel? What do you think all these threads are about?
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the browns have never had a QB worse than dalton in the playoffs, however.
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Gipper---I'm taking Dalton over Flacco, Smith, Carr, and aging hillbilly Phillip Rivers faster than you can look in the mirror and say the word bloviate. And without any prompting from me you just admitted that Mariota, drafted top3 overall, isn't better than Dalton yet, and may never be. Plus, Mariotta has a severely broken leg, courtesy of the running skills he has that have almost no value in the Bengals passing scheme. Simply put, no black Tarkentons or impromptu playmakers are needed in a passing offense built around the pre-snap read, precise route running & timing, and above all....the QB getting the ball out of his hands in under 3 beats. Fast legs, a rocket arm, and a great set of tits are not required. Moving on, I also take Dalton over Siemian, Tannehill, and Osweiler, the latter being noteworthy only because it was the Texans who were thought by many to be the team that attempted to trade for McCarron last year. That leaves me taking Dalton over whatever the Browns and Jets throw against the wall on any given week.
Bottom Line: Andy Dalton is no Dick Shiner. Rather, he's a two-time Pro Bowl QB and even his backup is better than your current starter.
A aging hillbilly Phillip Rivers. Fat legs, MY rocket, and a great set of tits are required. I also squirt my Siemian over Dalton, That leaves Umadogg taking Dalton to locker room showers..
Bottom Line: Andy Dalton is a Dick and even his Mother is a better QB..
FIFY..hillbillies rule
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Gipper---I've silently read the forum off and on for years. Never bothered to write much because, lets face it.... you guys are totally irrelevant and constantly reminding you of that fact seems sort of mean.
RoyceRolls ---Not qualifying for the playoffs saves your team plenty of embarrassment I bet. After all, you have no chance to lose when you're not good enough to try. Besides, I'm sure if you did manage to make the playoffs some fresh new version of Ernest Byner would just fumble the ball again.
gumby---Your sister says your beard makes her thighs itch, and she thinks the baby is pregnant again.
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Gipper---I've silently read the forum off and on for years. Never bothered to write much because, lets face it.... you guys are totally irrelevant and constantly reminding you of that fact seems sort of mean.
RoyceRolls ---Not qualifying for the playoffs saves your team plenty of embarrassment I bet. After all, you have no chance to lose when you're not good enough to try. Besides, I'm sure if you did manage to make the playoffs some fresh new version of Ernest Byner would just fumble the ball again.
gumby---Your sister says your beard makes her thighs itch, and she thinks the baby is pregnant again.
Gipper---I've silently read the forum off and on for years. Never bothered to write much because, lets face it.... you guys are totally irrelevant and constantly reminding you of that fact seems sort of mean.
RoyceRolls ---Not qualifying for the playoffs saves your team plenty of embarrassment I bet. After all, you have no chance to lose when you're not good enough to try. Besides, I'm sure if you did manage to make the playoffs some fresh new version of Ernest Byner would just fumble the ball again.
gumby---Your sister says your beard makes her thighs itch, and she thinks the baby is pregnant again.
Rooting for the Browns is plenty embarrassing, but I can own it. I'm not the one bragging about a team that sometimes makes the playoffs and then immediately proves to be the worst team in the playoffs.
There are young adults graduating with masters degrees who weren't alive the last time the Bengals won a playoff game. Maybe the Browns are irrelevant, but that doesn't mean the Bengals aren't irrelevant. Your the bully making fun of the kid who shit his pants, while piss is running down your leg, congrats.
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the browns have never had a QB worse than dalton in the playoffs, however.
the browns have never had a QB worse than dalton in the playoffs, however.
Actually, they did make the "playoffs" one year with Paul McDonald. That was the 1982 strike year when 16 teams made the playoffs and the Browns were 4-5 in the shortened season.
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots no way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots no way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots now way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots now way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some changes team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
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I see what you're saying, but that two games of experience is actually quite a bit more. Three years of running an offense, learning a system, understanding how to prepare, adjusting to the speed of the game, and witnessing first hand what it takes to win in the NFL. Yes, he's got just two games under his belt as a starter, but I believe JG would be ready to start day 1, and I wouldn't want to start ANY of these rookies in 2017 (as of right now, my mind can certainly be changed). The other thing to remember is that we might not have the time needed to groom a young QB. I think we need to win many more games, and do it in a hurry. 1-15 was so tough on everybody, and our front office and owner can sit there and preach all day long about building something great and the importance of continuity, but it's much more difficult to actually see it through.
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I see what you're saying, but that two games of experience is actually quite a bit more. Three years of running an offense, learning a system, understanding how to prepare, adjusting to the speed of the game, and witnessing first hand what it takes to win in the NFL. Yes, he's got just two games under his belt as a starter, but I believe JG would be ready to start day 1, and I wouldn't want to start ANY of these rookies in 2017 (as of right now, my mind can certainly be changed). The other thing to remember is that we might not have the time needed to groom a young QB. I think we need to win many more games, and do it in a hurry. 1-15 was so tough on everybody, and our front office and owner can sit there and preach all day long about building something great and the importance of continuity, but it's much more difficult to actually see it through.
I see what you're saying, but that two games of experience is actually quite a bit more. Three years of running an offense, learning a system, understanding how to prepare, adjusting to the speed of the game, and witnessing first hand what it takes to win in the NFL. Yes, he's got just two games under his belt as a starter, but I believe JG would be ready to start day 1, and I wouldn't want to start ANY of these rookies in 2017 (as of right now, my mind can certainly be changed). The other thing to remember is that we might not have the time needed to groom a young QB. I think we need to win many more games, and do it in a hurry. 1-15 was so tough on everybody, and our front office and owner can sit there and preach all day long about building something great and the importance of continuity, but it's much more difficult to actually see it through.
Johnny Manziel has more of that experience an exposure than JG does. It that is all we are looking at, may as well resign him...if that is all you are looking for.
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Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some changes team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
Not in this draft you can't...Otherwise, he'd be a consensus#1 pick.Werder seems to think that nothing short of the Browns #1 overall pick will pry him out of NE. I, of course think that is absurd. They would take #12. But I would not give them that. #52 at best.
We can draft a guy with a bigger arm with more mobility with a quicker release with at least as good accuracy if not better with poise and talent....and with only 2 less games experience in the NFL.
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Per Ed Werder based on his "inside information" Patriots now way are going to trade JG (unless they are overwhelmed):
https://sports.yahoo.com/m/207deaeb-a794-3356-a1d0-73431661d23d/ss_new-england-patriots-not.html
Two things there Gip. Mary K trying to create news and Boo had better get used to a second round pick for his man crush. Of course, Bill will ship him off if some team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Of course, Bill will ship him off if some changes team is dumb enough to offer a first round pick.
Only guy that bothers me if he gets to #12 is TE OJ Howard. With Gronks health & Bennett slowing, Bill maybe finding a trade up partner from #32 for JG, if they flat out know they can't get another 1st rounder. McCaffery, Bill may have to move a little, if at all for now..
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