Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat.
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No no no OBF. You're definitely right. A flat Earth? How ridiculous. Everyone knows the man in the sky made a round Earth. Then he poofed everything else into existence exactly how it was 6,000 years ago. Made a women from a man's rib, flooded the entire earth and somehow got 2 of every animal on a boat, etc. THAT makes sense.
And since science hasn't answered 100% of my questions yet, I'm going to stick with this old book that I only believe in because of the situation I grew up in. I mean, you can't tell me with certainty what happened before the Big Bang, so everything after is just as likely as a sky wizard doing some magic.
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Do you get the feeling they want to ridicule kyrie but cant because they beleive in similiar bullshit?
No no no OBF. You're definitely right. A flat Earth? How ridiculous. Everyone knows the man in the sky made a round Earth. Then he poofed everything else into existence exactly how it was 6,000 years ago. Made a women from a man's rib, flooded the entire earth and somehow got 2 of every animal on a boat, etc. THAT makes sense.
And since science hasn't answered 100% of my questions yet, I'm going to stick with this old book that I only believe in because of the situation I grew up in. I mean, you can't tell me with certainty what happened before the Big Bang, so everything after is just as likely as a sky wizard doing some magic.
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No no no OBF. You're definitely right. A flat Earth? How ridiculous. Everyone knows the man in the sky made a round Earth. Then he poofed everything else into existence exactly how it was 6,000 years ago. Made a women from a man's rib, flooded the entire earth and somehow got 2 of every animal on a boat, etc. THAT makes sense.
And since science hasn't answered 100% of my questions yet, I'm going to stick with this old book that I only believe in because of the situation I grew up in. I mean, you can't tell me with certainty what happened before the Big Bang, so everything after is just as likely as a sky wizard doing some magic.
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No no no OBF. You're definitely right. A flat Earth? How ridiculous. Everyone knows the man in the sky made a round Earth. Then he poofed everything else into existence exactly how it was 6,000 years ago. Made a women from a man's rib, flooded the entire earth and somehow got 2 of every animal on a boat, etc. THAT makes sense.
And since science hasn't answered 100% of my questions yet, I'm going to stick with this old book that I only believe in because of the situation I grew up in. I mean, you can't tell me with certainty what happened before the Big Bang, so everything after is just as likely as a sky wizard doing some magic.
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Actually I was not indoctrinated in church. I had a nominal Catholic background. My parents never went to church. After the second grade I was switched over from Catholic school to public school so that was as far as that goes. I sought out the answers myself later in life and found them in the bible.
Now do I mock your atheism? At times but only in response to your knee jerk attacks on my faith. I can't think of one time I ever initiated mocking your atheism. I can think of many times yours has come out of the blue such as right now when I post something meant to be humorous about the earth resting on top of a turtle. Your response was "that is especially hilarious coming from you hahaha".
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wait, what is the earth really? does its atmosphere and magnetic field count as part of it? cause then it would be a torus. except without the donut hole.
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1) Don't start using Cal's phrases like "knee jerking". You're better than that.
2) I mock things I find funny. Christianity isn't funny. Some believes very religious Christian people hold are funny. Thinking the Earth is 6000 years old, basically crapping all over centuries of scientific work, is worth mocking.
3) Feel free to mock "my atheism".
4) It is hilarious you'd make fun of someone for believing in a flat Earth. Pot. Kettle. Black. Glasses houses. Etc.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
you did it again, woodpecker. why tell other people what they are allowed to say?
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"Some believes very religious Christian people hold are funny. " woodpecker
it's "beliefs"
"believes" is a verb.
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I believe the moon is made of cheese, ya'll
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1) Don't start using Cal's phrases like "knee jerking". You're better than that.
2) I mock things I find funny. Christianity isn't funny. Some believes very religious Christian people hold are funny. Thinking the Earth is 6000 years old, basically crapping all over centuries of scientific work, is worth mocking.
3) Feel free to mock "my atheism".
4) It is hilarious you'd make fun of someone for believing in a flat Earth. Pot. Kettle. Black. Glasses houses. Etc.
1) Don't start using Cal's phrases like "knee jerking". You're better than that.
2) I mock things I find funny. Christianity isn't funny. Some believes very religious Christian people hold are funny. Thinking the Earth is 6000 years old, basically crapping all over centuries of scientific work, is worth mocking.
3) Feel free to mock "my atheism".
4) It is hilarious you'd make fun of someone for believing in a flat Earth. Pot. Kettle. Black. Glasses houses. Etc.
Here is how I see it. You as an atheist have a huge hurdle to overcome with believing out of nothing came creation. No science can explain that but your belief is one day science will be able to explain it. You disagreed but I thought the article I posted on the logical case for the existence of God without using the bible did a very good job. At least it was not an argument of I can't explain it but one day I believe I will. I think there is strong evidence for belief in God but as for a personal God I cannot explain that without the bible.
I think someone like Albert Einstein had some differing views at different times in his life but from what I read he did believe in God but could not believe in a personal God. I said once there were three types of people in the world but I could have added a fourth which is an agnostic. The atheist, a believer in a God, a believer in a personal God and an agnostic who just says they don't know. I still see the atheist with the weakest argument here unless and until science can prove creation out of nothing.
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You say the atheist has a huge hurdle to overcome. At least they are making the attempt to clear that hurdle. Someone who believes in a personal god, Creationism, etc, is just living in willful ignorance as they try to cherry pick facts to support their preselected conclusion. Do you see the difference there? You can't just CLA victory from a "God of the Gaps" argument.
If anything I'm an agnostic atheist. The idea some people have of a higher power is so broad I don't think you can ever disprove it. But if I had to bet on it, I'd say one doesn't exist.
But believing in a personal god is just silly. In literally countless ways. It is willful ignorance, which is the worst kind of ignorance. Thinking creationism is real is being complete, willfully ignorant.
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You say the atheist has a huge hurdle to overcome. At least they are making the attempt to clear that hurdle. Someone who believes in a personal god, Creationism, etc, is just living in willful ignorance as they try to cherry pick facts to support their preselected conclusion. Do you see the difference there? You can't just CLA victory from a "God of the Gaps" argument.
If anything I'm an agnostic atheist. The idea some people have of a higher power is so broad I don't think you can ever disprove it. But if I had to bet on it, I'd say one doesn't exist.
But believing in a personal god is just silly. In literally countless ways. It is willful ignorance, which is the worst kind of ignorance. Thinking creationism is real is being complete, willfully ignorant.
You say the atheist has a huge hurdle to overcome. At least they are making the attempt to clear that hurdle. Someone who believes in a personal god, Creationism, etc, is just living in willful ignorance as they try to cherry pick facts to support their preselected conclusion. Do you see the difference there? You can't just CLA victory from a "God of the Gaps" argument.
If anything I'm an agnostic atheist. The idea some people have of a higher power is so broad I don't think you can ever disprove it. But if I had to bet on it, I'd say one doesn't exist.
But believing in a personal god is just silly. In literally countless ways. It is willful ignorance, which is the worst kind of ignorance. Thinking creationism is real is being complete, willfully ignorant.
It's not nearly so silly when you experience a personal God. My son for instance failed his hearing test at school and we were told he had 50 percent hearing loss in both ears and to take him to a specialist. The specialist said the same thing after examining him and further said it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids for the rest of his life. We took him to Childrens Hospital to another specialist and got the same diagnosis of 50 percent hearing loss in both ears, it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids the rest of his life. After church a friend of mine asked if he could pray with my son as he said he felt led to pray for his hearing. The next day my son had an appointment to get fitted for hearing aids. They tested him again but this time they found no hearing loss at all and in fact the doctor asked my wife and I why we wanted hearing aids for a child that had perfect hearing. This was at age 8 and he is now 33 years old and still has perfect hearing. True story.
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OBF, you wouldn't question a God that answers a prayer about a kid's hearing but ignores millions of other prayers and lets kids get raped and murdered?
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If God miracled something minor in my life, I would actually be pissed at him and not relieved. Others may feel differently.
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I remember I had a bad injury years ago and I took "something" to help meditate one night, not going to go into what it was...but I felt my body buzzing that night and had weird floating sensations. Nothing I could possibly describe. Anyway I just chocked it up to what I had taken, but the next day my injury was gone. Of course my zealot mother told me on the phone oh ofc jesus healed you, I was praying for you. Cause everything good that happens is the direct result of jesus with these people. I humored her cause I wasn't about to tell her what I took but in any case, I believe these things that OBF described are possible. But the "power' behind these things has more to do with us than some god that answers to relatively small meaningless wishes in some cases. Not OBF"s kids hearing, but seriously little shit...my mother prays to god or some other saint when she loses her keys and then she finds them on her own hours later and feels the need to tell me about it as proof that her god exists.
Like Logic said, if god has the free time to find your keys for you.........like wtf dude are you unaware of all the real shit going down here?
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You say the atheist has a huge hurdle to overcome. At least they are making the attempt to clear that hurdle. Someone who believes in a personal god, Creationism, etc, is just living in willful ignorance as they try to cherry pick facts to support their preselected conclusion. Do you see the difference there? You can't just CLA victory from a "God of the Gaps" argument.
If anything I'm an agnostic atheist. The idea some people have of a higher power is so broad I don't think you can ever disprove it. But if I had to bet on it, I'd say one doesn't exist.
But believing in a personal god is just silly. In literally countless ways. It is willful ignorance, which is the worst kind of ignorance. Thinking creationism is real is being complete, willfully ignorant.
It's not nearly so silly when you experience a personal God. My son for instance failed his hearing test at school and we were told he had 50 percent hearing loss in both ears and to take him to a specialist. The specialist said the same thing after examining him and further said it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids for the rest of his life. We took him to Childrens Hospital to another specialist and got the same diagnosis of 50 percent hearing loss in both ears, it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids the rest of his life. After church a friend of mine asked if he could pray with my son as he said he felt led to pray for his hearing. The next day my son had an appointment to get fitted for hearing aids. They tested him again but this time they found no hearing loss at all and in fact the doctor asked my wife and I why we wanted hearing aids for a child that had perfect hearing. This was at age 8 and he is now 33 years old and still has perfect hearing. True story.
It's not nearly so silly when you experience a personal God. My son for instance failed his hearing test at school and we were told he had 50 percent hearing loss in both ears and to take him to a specialist. The specialist said the same thing after examining him and further said it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids for the rest of his life. We took him to Childrens Hospital to another specialist and got the same diagnosis of 50 percent hearing loss in both ears, it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids the rest of his life. After church a friend of mine asked if he could pray with my son as he said he felt led to pray for his hearing. The next day my son had an appointment to get fitted for hearing aids. They tested him again but this time they found no hearing loss at all and in fact the doctor asked my wife and I why we wanted hearing aids for a child that had perfect hearing. This was at age 8 and he is now 33 years old and still has perfect hearing. True story.
So basically you're saying a school nurse screwed up a hearing test. That makes a lot more sense than Divine Intervention by god, no offense.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
OBF, you wouldn't question a God that answers a prayer about a kid's hearing but ignores millions of other prayers and lets kids get raped and murdered?
OBF, you wouldn't question a God that answers a prayer about a kid's hearing but ignores millions of other prayers and lets kids get raped and murdered?
The message of the bible is to keep trusting even if we don't understand all the why's. There were other times my son was not healed after prayer (for other issues) and had to have surgery. And I was just thankful for surgeons. The point you make is the reason I have said a number of times that outside of the bible it is hard to make the case for a personal God because then you have all those why's? The bible answers many of them but not all.
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It's not nearly so silly when you experience a personal God. My son for instance failed his hearing test at school and we were told he had 50 percent hearing loss in both ears and to take him to a specialist. The specialist said the same thing after examining him and further said it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids for the rest of his life. We took him to Childrens Hospital to another specialist and got the same diagnosis of 50 percent hearing loss in both ears, it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids the rest of his life. After church a friend of mine asked if he could pray with my son as he said he felt led to pray for his hearing. The next day my son had an appointment to get fitted for hearing aids. They tested him again but this time they found no hearing loss at all and in fact the doctor asked my wife and I why we wanted hearing aids for a child that had perfect hearing. This was at age 8 and he is now 33 years old and still has perfect hearing. True story.
So basically you're saying a school nurse screwed up a hearing test. That makes a lot more sense than Divine Intervention by god, no offense.
So basically you're saying a school nurse screwed up a hearing test. That makes a lot more sense than Divine Intervention by god, no offense.
It started with the hearing test at school and if this was wrong then the specialist in town we took him to was also wrong and the hearing doctors at Children's Hospital had to be wrong as well as they all gave us the same diagnosis. 50 percent hearing loss both ears, it was permanent and he would have to wear hearing aids the rest of his life.
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Sudden Sensorineural Hearing Loss: http://m.hear-it.org/Sudden-Hearing-Loss
Recovery:
Spontaneous recovery occurs in 32-79% of the cases, usually within the first two weeks. The chances of full hearing recovery are smaller for patients with severe loss of hearing and when the sudden sensorineural hearing loss is accompanied by vertigo. The younger the patient, the greater the likelihood of a full recovery.
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Oh. My. God. Please tell me that there aren't people on this board that believe the world is flat...
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Don't worry, OBF, it's par for the course. The libs won't ridicule a Muslim,
but the first time you explain about being a Christian, the hard core ones
go after you.
The time I told how I nearly died in the middle of winter, as a kid, I got ridiculed about it,
Too bad. Seems that when history or reality confronts their hardcore emotions, they attack.
EDIT: referring to cleve who mocks most anything, anyways.
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OBF, you wouldn't question a God that answers a prayer about a kid's hearing but ignores millions of other prayers and lets kids get raped and murdered?
OBF, you wouldn't question a God that answers a prayer about a kid's hearing but ignores millions of other prayers and lets kids get raped and murdered?
This is a serious, age old question. The Biblical answer has to do with the angelic conflict,
and mankind's free will.
https://www.gotquestions.org/angelic-conflict.html
I had an incredible miracle that saved my young life. And the truth is, why doesn't
everybody get a miracle... after that incident, I used to go out into the middle of our 147
acres, mostly virgin timber, and would sit on "mossy hill" ...thick moss was all atop it,
underneath giant beech and oak trees. I would talk to God, because believe me,
at that time, for the first time, I KNEW God was there. Seriously, while my Dad was
at work, I'd sit for hours there.
I honestly expected to hear that Charlton Heston Ten Commandments voice come
down from the heavens and explain it to me. But it never did.
As I said to that, one time, in speech class.. it was just as well I didn't hear it,
because I didn't want to be a preacher anyways......
Is the angelic conflict really an allegory? don't know. I just know I miraculously got a second
chance to be a great kid, son, friend, husband... the hideous evil, and the wonderul good in
this world, sure seems like the angelic conflict to me....
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