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Johnson and holmes are gone, they are 3-4 tweeners that didnt hold up well at the point. Bye. Coopers probably gone too. He's not a 4-3 DE and theres too much competition at DT.
My prediction is the interior rotation will be shelton, meder, paea,bryant. DE is crowded. You havevthe prospect of garett coming in so whats already crowded gets worse. If they draft garett im not in favor of them starting him from day one. He needs to get stronger on the field. I dont want some clowney microfracture bullshit to happen. People will say oakland put mack in right away but forget he was a 4-3 olb'er his first year. I dont want garett lifting 320 lb tackles around the edge every down, yet.
So that leaves og and nas as the regular starters. Alot will hinge on their development. Nas had better be in the weight room right fucking now as we speak. I really dont know about orchard, he could be cut. But maybe a return to DE is what he needs. He's just never really impressed me. Bith og and nas showed flashes last year that looked better than orchard. Wynn will be interesting to see. He's kinda that inbetween DT/DE like ogbah. He only lasted through the preseason the other year before he got hurt, but pettine lined him up wide in 4 man fronts and he looked "way" better than kruger and soloman. Just a bigger stronger more prototype 4-3 DE than those other two. Will be interesting to see where he ends up on the roster if we draft garett or allen.
As for lb'ers, i wouldnt mind seeing us bring in a veteran mlb'er. I think davis and kirksey need someone like that. Collins, if we keep him.....could be a blitzing terror at olb'er. I dont see schobert cracking the starting line up and will probably have to fight for his life to make the roster
Johnson and holmes are gone, they are 3-4 tweeners that didnt hold up well at the point. Bye. Coopers probably gone too. He's not a 4-3 DE and theres too much competition at DT. - Clevs
Appreciate your reply here. While I totally agree with your points - I used the current roster that still has their names on it. I'm thinking a lot of those names are very temporary as well. Having said that, I wonder what guys I under-estimated when I gave my first projected starting front 7. That was hard to do when Gregg Williams clarified he'll be using a lot of different numbers up front. One of our guys that remains very important due to his flexibility to play any technique assigned is Des Bryant. He's played anywhere from DE to NT and held up well vs the point of attack. - Flugel
You havevthe prospect of garett coming in so whats already crowded gets worse. If they draft garett im not in favor of them starting him from day one. He needs to get stronger on the field. I dont want some clowney microfracture bullshit to happen. People will say oakland put mack in right away but forget he was a 4-3 olb'er his first year. I dont want garett lifting 320 lb tackles around the edge every down, yet. - Clevs
I'm not trying to pick on you here because I like reading your energetic posts about the defense. IMO, you don't get stronger on the field by staying off the field. Muscle memory comes from use and repetition. This eventually helped someone coin the phrase: use it or lose it. In fact, when Aaron Rodgers was asked how he always seemed to thread the needle in clutch situations he credited muscle memory from all of the practice he's had over the years. Experience is an invaluable tool regardless of how impatient a fan base may get during growing pains. I've only seen 1 inexperienced DE get a freaky micro-fracture injury. If we're going to draft someone at #1 only to bench him because he might get a freak injury - our defense might want to consider wearing orange or brown mini-skirts instead of football pants. - Flugel
So that leaves og and nas as the regular starters. Alot will hinge on their development. Nas had better be in the weight room right fucking now as we speak. I really dont know about orchard, he could be cut. But maybe a return to DE is what he needs. He's just never really impressed me. Bith og and nas showed flashes last year that looked better than orchard. Wynn will be interesting to see. He's kinda that inbetween DT/DE like ogbah. He only lasted through the preseason the other year before he got hurt, but pettine lined him up wide in 4 man fronts and he looked "way" better than kruger and soloman. Just a bigger stronger more prototype 4-3 DE than those other two. Will be interesting to see where he ends up on the roster if we draft garett or allen. - Clevs
Interesting Clevsies! I'm not worried about Nassib's off season work ethic or he wouldn't have progressed from "Why bother?" to leading the country in sacks in 2015 for Div IA programs. That's a big part of why this front office liked him. When it comes to the inner chest - Nassib isn't a tin man. The college body of work reflected he's not an immediate emergence but well worth investing the time and patience into. IMO, he was off to a good start prior to breaking his hand/wrist which can impact one's ability to 2-hand shiver/lock out a 320 lb tackle.
Once Orchard got reps late in 2015, I thought he closed the year very strong and rarely ever got himself out of position. If we take away the element of think/worry about retreating into a coverage zone at the snap - my guess is we eliminate any hurdles to playing faster. Seems like a type Gregg Williams will like. I won't count him out here especially if we shock the world with Trubisky at #1.
I like what you see in Allen. I was actually a bigger fan of Allen than Garrett throughout this pre-draft until I did something I rarely do - joined the crowd/draft analysts telling me our only choice is Garrett. Since then, I've seen enough film warranting the intrigue as well as the fitness to tap even more from him. Having said that, I remember what 1 bad high ankle sprain did to the promising career of Leigh Bodden right after we gave him the new contract he earned. I hope this won't be the case with Garrett; but a bad ankle sprain never fully heals like a fracture does. Allen may not be as glamor-boy friendly in the unselfish team-first scheme he plays in BUT he can play inside or outside which would project extremely well in Williams' scheme. The more film I watched of Allen, the more Reuben Foster stole the show (which was in large due to the unselfishness of the team first dline up front). When you really think about it, JJ Watt wasn't a big stat/sack monster when he was a team first guy within the 34 scheme at Wisconsin. Who knows what Allen would be capable of in Williams' scheme. - Flugel
As for lb'ers, i wouldnt mind seeing us bring in a veteran mlb'er. I think davis and kirksey need someone like that. Collins, if we keep him.....could be a blitzing terror at olb'er. I dont see schobert cracking the starting line up and will probably have to fight for his life to make the roster - Clevs
Collins got the dream contract extension he wanted here so him and Davis are the veteran LBers you speak of to team up with Kirksey (now a 3 year vet). I'm interested in seeing if Dominique Alexander can challenge Demario Davis for a starting job while Tank Carder keeps his tenure for the STs role. - Flugel
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Johnson and holmes are gone, they are 3-4 tweeners that didnt hold up well at the point. Bye. Coopers probably gone too. He's not a 4-3 DE and theres too much competition at DT. - Clevs
Appreciate your reply here. While I totally agree with your points - I used the current roster that still has their names on it. I'm thinking a lot of those names are very temporary as well. Having said that, I wonder what guys I under-estimated when I gave my first projected starting front 7. That was hard to do when Gregg Williams clarified he'll be using a lot of different numbers up front. One of our guys that remains very important due to his flexibility to play any technique assigned is Des Bryant. He's played anywhere from DE to NT and held up well vs the point of attack. - Flugel
You havevthe prospect of garett coming in so whats already crowded gets worse. If they draft garett im not in favor of them starting him from day one. He needs to get stronger on the field. I dont want some clowney microfracture bullshit to happen. People will say oakland put mack in right away but forget he was a 4-3 olb'er his first year. I dont want garett lifting 320 lb tackles around the edge every down, yet. - Clevs
I'm not trying to pick on you here because I like reading your energetic posts about the defense. IMO, you don't get stronger on the field by staying off the field. Muscle memory comes from use and repetition. This eventually helped someone coin the phrase: use it or lose it. In fact, when Aaron Rodgers was asked how he always seemed to thread the needle in clutch situations he credited muscle memory from all of the practice he's had over the years. Experience is an invaluable tool regardless of how impatient a fan base may get during growing pains. I've only seen 1 inexperienced DE get a freaky micro-fracture injury. If we're going to draft someone at #1 only to bench him because he might get a freak injury - our defense might want to consider wearing orange or brown mini-skirts instead of football pants. - Flugel
So that leaves og and nas as the regular starters. Alot will hinge on their development. Nas had better be in the weight room right fucking now as we speak. I really dont know about orchard, he could be cut. But maybe a return to DE is what he needs. He's just never really impressed me. Bith og and nas showed flashes last year that looked better than orchard. Wynn will be interesting to see. He's kinda that inbetween DT/DE like ogbah. He only lasted through the preseason the other year before he got hurt, but pettine lined him up wide in 4 man fronts and he looked "way" better than kruger and soloman. Just a bigger stronger more prototype 4-3 DE than those other two. Will be interesting to see where he ends up on the roster if we draft garett or allen. - Clevs
Interesting Clevsies! I'm not worried about Nassib's off season work ethic or he wouldn't have progressed from "Why bother?" to leading the country in sacks in 2015 for Div IA programs. That's a big part of why this front office liked him. When it comes to the inner chest - Nassib isn't a tin man. The college body of work reflected he's not an immediate emergence but well worth investing the time and patience into. IMO, he was off to a good start prior to breaking his hand/wrist which can impact one's ability to 2-hand shiver/lock out a 320 lb tackle.
Once Orchard got reps late in 2015, I thought he closed the year very strong and rarely ever got himself out of position. If we take away the element of think/worry about retreating into a coverage zone at the snap - my guess is we eliminate any hurdles to playing faster. Seems like a type Gregg Williams will like. I won't count him out here especially if we shock the world with Trubisky at #1.
I like what you see in Allen. I was actually a bigger fan of Allen than Garrett throughout this pre-draft until I did something I rarely do - joined the crowd/draft analysts telling me our only choice is Garrett. Since then, I've seen enough film warranting the intrigue as well as the fitness to tap even more from him. Having said that, I remember what 1 bad high ankle sprain did to the promising career of Leigh Bodden right after we gave him the new contract he earned. I hope this won't be the case with Garrett; but a bad ankle sprain never fully heals like a fracture does. Allen may not be as glamor-boy friendly in the unselfish team-first scheme he plays in BUT he can play inside or outside which would project extremely well in Williams' scheme. The more film I watched of Allen, the more Reuben Foster stole the show (which was in large due to the unselfishness of the team first dline up front). When you really think about it, JJ Watt wasn't a big stat/sack monster when he was a team first guy within the 34 scheme at Wisconsin. Who knows what Allen would be capable of in Williams' scheme. - Flugel
As for lb'ers, i wouldnt mind seeing us bring in a veteran mlb'er. I think davis and kirksey need someone like that. Collins, if we keep him.....could be a blitzing terror at olb'er. I dont see schobert cracking the starting line up and will probably have to fight for his life to make the roster - Clevs
Collins got the dream contract extension he wanted here so him and Davis are the veteran LBers you speak of to team up with Kirksey (now a 3 year vet). I'm interested in seeing if Dominique Alexander can challenge Demario Davis for a starting job while Tank Carder keeps his tenure for the STs role. - Flugel
Johnson and holmes are gone, they are 3-4 tweeners that didnt hold up well at the point. Bye. Coopers probably gone too. He's not a 4-3 DE and theres too much competition at DT. - Clevs
Appreciate your reply here. While I totally agree with your points - I used the current roster that still has their names on it. I'm thinking a lot of those names are very temporary as well. Having said that, I wonder what guys I under-estimated when I gave my first projected starting front 7. That was hard to do when Gregg Williams clarified he'll be using a lot of different numbers up front. One of our guys that remains very important due to his flexibility to play any technique assigned is Des Bryant. He's played anywhere from DE to NT and held up well vs the point of attack. - Flugel
You havevthe prospect of garett coming in so whats already crowded gets worse. If they draft garett im not in favor of them starting him from day one. He needs to get stronger on the field. I dont want some clowney microfracture bullshit to happen. People will say oakland put mack in right away but forget he was a 4-3 olb'er his first year. I dont want garett lifting 320 lb tackles around the edge every down, yet. - Clevs
I'm not trying to pick on you here because I like reading your energetic posts about the defense. IMO, you don't get stronger on the field by staying off the field. Muscle memory comes from use and repetition. This eventually helped someone coin the phrase: use it or lose it. In fact, when Aaron Rodgers was asked how he always seemed to thread the needle in clutch situations he credited muscle memory from all of the practice he's had over the years. Experience is an invaluable tool regardless of how impatient a fan base may get during growing pains. I've only seen 1 inexperienced DE get a freaky micro-fracture injury. If we're going to draft someone at #1 only to bench him because he might get a freak injury - our defense might want to consider wearing orange or brown mini-skirts instead of football pants. - Flugel
So that leaves og and nas as the regular starters. Alot will hinge on their development. Nas had better be in the weight room right fucking now as we speak. I really dont know about orchard, he could be cut. But maybe a return to DE is what he needs. He's just never really impressed me. Bith og and nas showed flashes last year that looked better than orchard. Wynn will be interesting to see. He's kinda that inbetween DT/DE like ogbah. He only lasted through the preseason the other year before he got hurt, but pettine lined him up wide in 4 man fronts and he looked "way" better than kruger and soloman. Just a bigger stronger more prototype 4-3 DE than those other two. Will be interesting to see where he ends up on the roster if we draft garett or allen. - Clevs
Interesting Clevsies! I'm not worried about Nassib's off season work ethic or he wouldn't have progressed from "Why bother?" to leading the country in sacks in 2015 for Div IA programs. That's a big part of why this front office liked him. When it comes to the inner chest - Nassib isn't a tin man. The college body of work reflected he's not an immediate emergence but well worth investing the time and patience into. IMO, he was off to a good start prior to breaking his hand/wrist which can impact one's ability to 2-hand shiver/lock out a 320 lb tackle.
Once Orchard got reps late in 2015, I thought he closed the year very strong and rarely ever got himself out of position. If we take away the element of think/worry about retreating into a coverage zone at the snap - my guess is we eliminate any hurdles to playing faster. Seems like a type Gregg Williams will like. I won't count him out here especially if we shock the world with Trubisky at #1.
I like what you see in Allen. I was actually a bigger fan of Allen than Garrett throughout this pre-draft until I did something I rarely do - joined the crowd/draft analysts telling me our only choice is Garrett. Since then, I've seen enough film warranting the intrigue as well as the fitness to tap even more from him. Having said that, I remember what 1 bad high ankle sprain did to the promising career of Leigh Bodden right after we gave him the new contract he earned. I hope this won't be the case with Garrett; but a bad ankle sprain never fully heals like a fracture does. Allen may not be as glamor-boy friendly in the unselfish team-first scheme he plays in BUT he can play inside or outside which would project extremely well in Williams' scheme. The more film I watched of Allen, the more Reuben Foster stole the show (which was in large due to the unselfishness of the team first dline up front). When you really think about it, JJ Watt wasn't a big stat/sack monster when he was a team first guy within the 34 scheme at Wisconsin. Who knows what Allen would be capable of in Williams' scheme. - Flugel
As for lb'ers, i wouldnt mind seeing us bring in a veteran mlb'er. I think davis and kirksey need someone like that. Collins, if we keep him.....could be a blitzing terror at olb'er. I dont see schobert cracking the starting line up and will probably have to fight for his life to make the roster - Clevs
Collins got the dream contract extension he wanted here so him and Davis are the veteran LBers you speak of to team up with Kirksey (now a 3 year vet). I'm interested in seeing if Dominique Alexander can challenge Demario Davis for a starting job while Tank Carder keeps his tenure for the STs role. - Flugel
Yeah, I am intrigued by Alexander as well. Things will get very interesting this spring & summer.
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Flugel gotta respectfully disagree about not limiting garetts reps. The chargers limited bosa for 4-5 games and look how that worked out. Bosa was more nfl ready strength wise than garett. Allen to me is ready now. If we draft garett its because his ceiling is potentially in canton among the best ever. You dont drop him in full time on say 1. Let him sub in for of and nas for awhile.
Without knowing for sure, its possible nas injury last year could have been stress related. Him and og were starting from day one but what choice did we have? If we draft garett we can protect him. Garett can get stronger on an nfl practice field against nfl ol. Theres zero need to risk a season ending injury cause he got tired at the end of a game, which is when the injuries happen
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Johnson and holmes are gone, they are 3-4 tweeners that didnt hold up well at the point. Bye. Coopers probably gone too. He's not a 4-3 DE and theres too much competition at DT. - Clevs
Appreciate your reply here. While I totally agree with your points - I used the current roster that still has their names on it. I'm thinking a lot of those names are very temporary as well. Having said that, I wonder what guys I under-estimated when I gave my first projected starting front 7. That was hard to do when Gregg Williams clarified he'll be using a lot of different numbers up front. One of our guys that remains very important due to his flexibility to play any technique assigned is Des Bryant. He's played anywhere from DE to NT and held up well vs the point of attack. - Flugel
You havevthe prospect of garett coming in so whats already crowded gets worse. If they draft garett im not in favor of them starting him from day one. He needs to get stronger on the field. I dont want some clowney microfracture bullshit to happen. People will say oakland put mack in right away but forget he was a 4-3 olb'er his first year. I dont want garett lifting 320 lb tackles around the edge every down, yet. - Clevs
I'm not trying to pick on you here because I like reading your energetic posts about the defense. IMO, you don't get stronger on the field by staying off the field. Muscle memory comes from use and repetition. This eventually helped someone coin the phrase: use it or lose it. In fact, when Aaron Rodgers was asked how he always seemed to thread the needle in clutch situations he credited muscle memory from all of the practice he's had over the years. Experience is an invaluable tool regardless of how impatient a fan base may get during growing pains. I've only seen 1 inexperienced DE get a freaky micro-fracture injury. If we're going to draft someone at #1 only to bench him because he might get a freak injury - our defense might want to consider wearing orange or brown mini-skirts instead of football pants. - Flugel
So that leaves og and nas as the regular starters. Alot will hinge on their development. Nas had better be in the weight room right fucking now as we speak. I really dont know about orchard, he could be cut. But maybe a return to DE is what he needs. He's just never really impressed me. Bith og and nas showed flashes last year that looked better than orchard. Wynn will be interesting to see. He's kinda that inbetween DT/DE like ogbah. He only lasted through the preseason the other year before he got hurt, but pettine lined him up wide in 4 man fronts and he looked "way" better than kruger and soloman. Just a bigger stronger more prototype 4-3 DE than those other two. Will be interesting to see where he ends up on the roster if we draft garett or allen. - Clevs
Interesting Clevsies! I'm not worried about Nassib's off season work ethic or he wouldn't have progressed from "Why bother?" to leading the country in sacks in 2015 for Div IA programs. That's a big part of why this front office liked him. When it comes to the inner chest - Nassib isn't a tin man. The college body of work reflected he's not an immediate emergence but well worth investing the time and patience into. IMO, he was off to a good start prior to breaking his hand/wrist which can impact one's ability to 2-hand shiver/lock out a 320 lb tackle.
Once Orchard got reps late in 2015, I thought he closed the year very strong and rarely ever got himself out of position. If we take away the element of think/worry about retreating into a coverage zone at the snap - my guess is we eliminate any hurdles to playing faster. Seems like a type Gregg Williams will like. I won't count him out here especially if we shock the world with Trubisky at #1.
I like what you see in Allen. I was actually a bigger fan of Allen than Garrett throughout this pre-draft until I did something I rarely do - joined the crowd/draft analysts telling me our only choice is Garrett. Since then, I've seen enough film warranting the intrigue as well as the fitness to tap even more from him. Having said that, I remember what 1 bad high ankle sprain did to the promising career of Leigh Bodden right after we gave him the new contract he earned. I hope this won't be the case with Garrett; but a bad ankle sprain never fully heals like a fracture does. Allen may not be as glamor-boy friendly in the unselfish team-first scheme he plays in BUT he can play inside or outside which would project extremely well in Williams' scheme. The more film I watched of Allen, the more Reuben Foster stole the show (which was in large due to the unselfishness of the team first dline up front). When you really think about it, JJ Watt wasn't a big stat/sack monster when he was a team first guy within the 34 scheme at Wisconsin. Who knows what Allen would be capable of in Williams' scheme. - Flugel
As for lb'ers, i wouldnt mind seeing us bring in a veteran mlb'er. I think davis and kirksey need someone like that. Collins, if we keep him.....could be a blitzing terror at olb'er. I dont see schobert cracking the starting line up and will probably have to fight for his life to make the roster - Clevs
Collins got the dream contract extension he wanted here so him and Davis are the veteran LBers you speak of to team up with Kirksey (now a 3 year vet). I'm interested in seeing if Dominique Alexander can challenge Demario Davis for a starting job while Tank Carder keeps his tenure for the STs role. - Flugel
I'm not trying to pick on you here because I like reading your energetic posts about the defense.- Flugel
Abs no worries pick away, these discussions are what make the board worthwhile. Certainly not the hystrionic alt laden poly board
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Nope, Garrett is a freak of nature akin to Clowney.. Note that even with the t10 OL of the Pats, Clowney was completely unblockable in the playoff game. Can get the QB later - Garrett is literally priceless.
Also, Collins is the ILB not OLB. Sure, he's fast -- however the issue is that his skills are barely average at OLB. He's worth his contract at ILB.
"Not a single sack in Collins’ career has come from anywhere besides up the middle, and unsurprisingly he’s not a natural pass rusher"
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Flugel gotta respectfully disagree about not limiting garetts reps. The chargers limited bosa for 4-5 games and look how that worked out. Bosa was more nfl ready strength wise than garett. Allen to me is ready now. If we draft garett its because his ceiling is potentially in canton among the best ever. You dont drop him in full time on say 1. Let him sub in for of and nas for awhile.
Without knowing for sure, its possible nas injury last year could have been stress related. Him and og were starting from day one but what choice did we have? If we draft garett we can protect him. Garett can get stronger on an nfl practice field against nfl ol. Theres zero need to risk a season ending injury cause he got tired at the end of a game, which is when the injuries happen
Flugel gotta respectfully disagree about not limiting garetts reps. The chargers limited bosa for 4-5 games and look how that worked out. Bosa was more nfl ready strength wise than garett. Allen to me is ready now. If we draft garett its because his ceiling is potentially in canton among the best ever. You dont drop him in full time on say 1. Let him sub in for of and nas for awhile.
Without knowing for sure, its possible nas injury last year could have been stress related. Him and og were starting from day one but what choice did we have? If we draft garett we can protect him. Garett can get stronger on an nfl practice field against nfl ol. Theres zero need to risk a season ending injury cause he got tired at the end of a game, which is when the injuries happen
Sorry, I misunderstood your point about not starting Garrett to mean not playing him right away here. Yeah, I'd be okay with seeing him get about 50% of the reps early on.
While I like your points about Bosa's strength - every guy is wired differently. Bosa was a DE that had to shed some weight to be an edge rushing OLBer in a 3-4. Aside from the weight room, Joey also has a lot of country strong on that frame which is a good thing.
Myles Garrett looks ripped to the extent where adding weight might be at the expense of some explosion out of stance. Like the song says "I'm all about the base." I wouldn't mess with that too much. Clowney doesn't look like he was born to overpower and ragdoll OTs either. Dwight Freeney was only 255 lbs coming out of Syracuse prior to making 7 Pro Bowls (All Pro 3 times) and making the All Decade Team. That wasn't a Reggie White brute force/freight train either - it was a guy that consistently beat OTs with elite explosiveness off the ball that often included an unparalleled spin move. The way to beat this type of guy is to run right at him like a lot of Indy's playoff opponents opted to do when their goal was to get ahead of Indy & Manning early to prevent putting Freeney into pin his ears back mode.
Whatever the case may be, I was reluctant to leave the Jonathan Allen Camp for the consensus favoring Garrett until a few weeks ago. Either guy would be a terrific choice for us.
If memory serves me right, once Bosa finally got a contract he pulled his hamstring. Consequently, they didn't dress him for the 1st 3 games in lieu of re-aggravating the injury into something more serious and/or prolonging it. When he returned to action, they phased him in on a rep count to prevent further injury and build up the endurance lacking.
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Nope, Garrett is a freak of nature akin to Clowney.. Note that even with the t10 OL of the Pats, Clowney was completely unblockable in the playoff game. Can get the QB later - Garrett is literally priceless.
Also, Collins is the ILB not OLB. Sure, he's fast -- however the issue is that his skills are barely average at OLB. He's worth his contract at ILB.
"Not a single sack in Collins’ career has come from anywhere besides up the middle, and unsurprisingly he’s not a natural pass rusher"
Also, Collins is the ILB not OLB. Sure, he's fast -- however the issue is that his skills are barely average at OLB. He's worth his contract at ILB.
"Not a single sack in Collins’ career has come from anywhere besides up the middle, and unsurprisingly he’s not a natural pass rusher.
The reason I had Collins as an OLBer was due to where I found him on NE's 2016 depth chart prior to week 1. Collins was listed as the Strongside LBer, Jonathan Freeny was the MLB and Dont'a Hightower was the Weakside LBer.
I figured we'd follow suit with Collins in our switch to the 4-3 but you might have a good point.
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Here's a first look at what I expect to see starting in our front 7 (subject to change)...
LDE - E.Ogbah LDT - D.Bryant RDT - D.Shelton RDE - M.Garrett
Sub - C.Nassib Sub - J.Meder Sub - S. Paea Sub - N.Orchard
OLB - J.Collins MLB - D.Davis OLB - C.Kirksey
Here's a first look at what I expect to see starting in our front 7 (subject to change)...
LDE - E.Ogbah LDT - D.Bryant RDT - D.Shelton RDE - M.Garrett
Sub - C.Nassib Sub - J.Meder Sub - S. Paea Sub - N.Orchard
OLB - J.Collins MLB - D.Davis OLB - C.Kirksey
No big disagreement, but I think Lawrence-Stample will make a case for himself as Danny's back-up.
Flugel gotta respectfully disagree about not limiting garetts reps. The chargers limited bosa for 4-5 games and look how that worked out.
Wasn't Bosa's missing TC a factor in that?
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Here's a first look at what I expect to see starting in our front 7 (subject to change)...
LDE - E.Ogbah LDT - D.Bryant RDT - D.Shelton RDE - M.Garrett
Sub - C.Nassib Sub - J.Meder Sub - S. Paea Sub - N.Orchard
OLB - J.Collins MLB - D.Davis OLB - C.Kirksey
No big disagreement, but I think Lawrence-Stample will make a case for himself as Danny's back-up.
Flugel gotta respectfully disagree about not limiting garetts reps. The chargers limited bosa for 4-5 games and look how that worked out.
Wasn't Bosa's missing TC a factor in that?
No big disagreement, but I think Lawrence-Stample will make a case for himself as Danny's back-up.
Wasn't Bosa's missing TC a factor in that?
Maybe. But you cant argue giving him limited reps wasnt the right call. The chargers said he was fine but you never know how teams are trying to protect their players.
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Here's a first look at what I expect to see starting in our front 7 (subject to change)...
LDE - E.Ogbah LDT - D.Bryant RDT - D.Shelton RDE - M.Garrett
Sub - C.Nassib Sub - J.Meder Sub - S. Paea Sub - N.Orchard
OLB - J.Collins MLB - D.Davis OLB - C.Kirksey
No big disagreement, but I think Lawrence-Stample will make a case for himself as Danny's back-up.
Flugel gotta respectfully disagree about not limiting garetts reps. The chargers limited bosa for 4-5 games and look how that worked out.
Wasn't Bosa's missing TC a factor in that?
No big disagreement, but I think Lawrence-Stample will make a case for himself as Danny's back-up.
Totally agree on Stample T,FSU he was a plug n play anywhere on inside Dline. Paea is looking for a contract? X.Coop & Orchard, I just could not guess, with Williams doing evaluations on previous draftees. Foster sure would look good in that LB core
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No big disagreement, but I think Lawrence-Stample will make a case for himself as Danny's back-up.
Wasn't Bosa's missing TC a factor in that?
Maybe. But you cant argue giving him limited reps wasnt the right call. The chargers said he was fine but you never know how teams are trying to protect their players.
Maybe. But you cant argue giving him limited reps wasnt the right call. The chargers said he was fine but you never know how teams are trying to protect their players.
My point is you are giving SD credit for something in which they had no choice. Bosa wasn't simply "limited"... he did not post a single, recordable stat through 2017's first four games.
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Maybe. But you cant argue giving him limited reps wasnt the right call. The chargers said he was fine but you never know how teams are trying to protect their players.
My point is you are giving SD credit for something in which they had no choice. Bosa wasn't simply "limited"... he did not post a single, recordable stat through 2017's first four games.
My point is you are giving SD credit for something in which they had no choice. Bosa wasn't simply "limited"... he did not post a single, recordable stat through 2017's first four games.
Oh ur talking about the first 4 games where he was out, im talking about once he did start playing....they limited his reps for 4-5 games.
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IMO, Nassib was virtually useless last year (once the regular season started and he was playing against REAL offensive linemen).
He got quite a bit of playing time but was basically an offensive tackle's dream DE.
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IMO, Nassib was virtually useless last year (once the regular season started and he was playing against REAL offensive linemen).
He got quite a bit of playing time but was basically an offensive tackle's dream DE.
IMO, Nassib was virtually useless last year (once the regular season started and he was playing against REAL offensive linemen).
He got quite a bit of playing time but was basically an offensive tackle's dream DE.
Not to sure yet. Not to sure the plan was to start him till Des B. & plenty more DL went down? Good frame to grow on. Good nose for football & I spent many plays yelling at the tube,"Get your damn hands up in the passing windows" Naz was pretty good with it. Lets see what Williams does with The Naz.
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I don't have the stats, but I'm fairly certain I read Garrett was much stronger against the run than previous years. That might not sound like a big deal, but I believe it is (assuming what I read is true). Garrett JUST turned 21, and he's very young. Getting better against the run tells me he's a worker, and he's not happy to just be a sack artist. Look at what Clowney did this year. He wasn't a sack monster, but he was about as good as it gets against the run. He's a different player and a different build than Garrett, but there are some similarities too. Everything I've read/heard about Garrett's character is first rate, and I don't think he has one single knock against him in that regard. Dane Brugler recently said on a radio interview that Garrett should not have even played in several games this year due to his high ankle sprain (or whatever the injury was), and I believe he was at his worst during the Bama game. I don't want to make excuses for anybody, and we obviously would prefer the #1 player prospect to play well on the big stage, but if Dane Brugler is saying Garrett should not have even played in that game, that tells me something about this kid.
With the additions of this year's draft picks, our new DC, and one or two free agents, our defensive front has the potential to be vastly different. I don't have any disillusions of our defense being dominant or anything like that, but I do believe we can increase just about every statistical category in just one season. Gregg Williams has the feel of a real defensive coordinator, and the cupboard won't be completely bare. Yes, we still need a ton of depth, and yes, we will likely still need several members of our secondary, but we all know we can't create a killer defense in one offseason.
The signing of Jamie Collins was a turning point for me. I think many of us, and many analysts, kind of felt like we were "renting" Jamie Collins, and he'd leave just as soon as he could. Not only did we wrap him up, we didn't have to franchise him. We have the centerpiece of our defense, and I think that's something we've been missing for an eternity. To make it all a bit sweeter, the deal didn't break the bank because we basically paid for Collins by releasing McCown and Tramon Williams. Yeah, it kind of hurts to lose those two, but not THAT bad, AND we still have the majority of our capital. This seems like smart management to me, and we always knew we were going to have to replace a safety/DB and QB anyways. Joe Thomas went on record to say he believes the Browns will add 3-4 free agents. He's obviously not our GM or anything, but I thought it was an interesting comment. When has he ever said something like that before? It just kind of adds to the feeling that we're done "tearing down" and we're ready to "build up". Every fan knows you build through the draft, but you also have to take a few cautious shots at free agency as well. I'm interested to see who we target, and who we're actually able to bring home.
It will be complete culture shock for our defense, as Ray Horton and Gregg Williams are said to be total opposites in how they approach football. Williams won't hesitate to get all up in people's faces, and I think that's something I want. I want the fire, the attitude, and the culture of the "Dawg Pound" to come back.
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Nothing I disagree with jiggins. I will stay excited about his year if they just keep it up from FA thru the draft. No more rookie mistakes and reaches like last year at this time. Collins was a great first step so just keep up the momentum.
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Gipper. Back to Moratorium. Now.
Just for that....I'm back.
Everyone else can now blame you for it.
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