Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat.

MLD Woody

@marcus said:
Most Agnostics and Atheists I talk subscribe to science and reason. To me all the discoveries made by scientists no matter their personal beliefs confirm God's existence.

How,?

The Cysko Kid

The problem with God is that he sent these messengers 2100 or 1500 years ago depending on which set of horseshit you believe and then he gave us all the finger. "No more prophets for you dingleberries"

If he made us he ought to know that was insufficient. God has bad judgement.

DieHardBrownsFan

@the-cysko-kid said:

The problem with God is that he sent these messengers 2100 or 1500 years ago depending on which set of horseshit you believe and then he gave us all the finger. "No more prophets for you dingleberries"

If he made us he ought to know that was insufficient. God has bad judgement.

A mere human cannot question god. You are a crab on gods nuts.

Clevfan4life

I sometimes think the people who opted out of here are the ones who got it right. This place is a seething pit of ignorance as ti who and what we really are.

One side has these cool stories about anthropomorphic gods and godesses thatbtold people clear horseshit like they delight in the smell of burning flesh, exhibit A)https://www.google.com/amp/s/rarebible.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/god-loves-the-aroma-of-burning-animals-and-grain/amp/?client=safari

Exhibit B ) https://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/72-virgins-are-waiting-for-me-in-heaven-so-why-i-should-prefer-only-one-here

Dafuq you would want saddled with 72 wonen who are only virgins for one time for? Any of u married blokes if u think about it enough understand what a fresh living hell tgat really is

And on the other side we have hole in the ground material atheists who tell us we're nothing more than a randomized organic robot that sprung forth from the ether. And our thoughts and feelings are nothing more than chemical reactions adapted by our dna over the eons.

None of it sits right with me. This is why i lean toward philosophies that tell us you have to find for urself who and what the fuck you are. Let no man tell you cool stories he cannot corroborate definitively is the long and short of it. That nixes all the major religions tbh. Especially the abrahamic ones. But hinduism is chock full of some clown shit too if u ever read about it. Same convuluted "pinky swear" its all the real deal pure shiite rubbish.

Osiris

@clevfan4life said:
Wait, i thought eve was the sinner...what did adam sin again?

Depends on which religion you ask. Quran holds them equally accountable for the sin, stating that they both ate the forbidden fruit, and unlike Christianity, does not hold the children of Adam accountable for their actions. Therefore there is no concept of original sin in Islam.

Clevfan4life

@osiris said:
. Therefore there is no concept of original sin in Islam.

Well you know i think its all bollocks, but at least islam gets some things right so a tip of me digital hat to u and ur islamic bretheren

DieHardBrownsFan

@osiris said:
Depends on which religion you ask. Quran holds them equally accountable for the sin, stating that they both ate the forbidden fruit, and unlike Christianity, does not hold the children of Adam accountable for their actions. Therefore there is no concept of original sin in Islam.

Conveniently for them way after the fact.

Pumpkin Eater

@clevfan4life said:

Why would woody call bs on you being an ass, no im sorry owning an ass?

Eh, who saw what i did there? Raise ur hands

A single donkey is used to fight off coyotes.

Osiris

@clevfan4life said:
Well you know i think its all bollocks, but at least islam gets some things right so a tip of me digital hat to u and ur islamic bretheren

I know you do, but if you believe in treating people right, helping the poor and needy, standing up for the weak, and that a person is the sum of their deeds, then you believe in things that Islam taught me. If you arrived at those beliefs from another route, then it's fine in my book.

TBH I see religion as a formalization of natural law. What I mean is, we are all born with the ability to sense pleasure, pain, and fear. These are all survival mechanisms. We are also born as social creatures. So when a we gives someone food, we feel pleasure. When we are hurt or hungry, we feel pain. When we are threatened, we feel fear. As social creatures, we understand that our brethren feel the same, and therefore we want to give pleasure to others, heal their pain, and shelter them from what frightens them in the hopes they will do the same for us. This is what I mean by natural law. Codify this in the Ten Commandments and subsequent scriptures and you have religion. Being an atheist or agnostic doesn't mean that you are not subject to these natural laws. This is why I do not find it difficult to befriend atheists and agnostics and why people of faith shouldn't stand in judgement of them.

DieHardBrownsFan

@osiris said:

I know you do, but if you believe in treating people right, helping the poor and needy, standing up for the weak, and that a person is the sum of their deeds, then you believe in things that Islam taught me. If you arrived at those beliefs from another route, then it's fine in my book.

TBH I see religion as a formalization of natural law. What I mean is, we are all born with the ability to sense pleasure, pain, and fear. These are all survival mechanisms. We are also born as social creatures. So when a we gives someone food, we feel pleasure. When we are hurt or hungry, we feel pain. When we are threatened, we feel fear. As social creatures, we understand that our brethren feel the same, and therefore we want to give pleasure to others, heal their pain, and shelter them from what frightens them in the hopes they will do the same for us. This is what I mean by natural law. Codify this in the Ten Commandments and subsequent scriptures and you have religion. Being an atheist or agnostic doesn't mean that you are not subject to these natural laws. This is why I do not find it difficult to befriend atheists and agnostics.

And?

Pumpkin Eater

@clevfan4life said:
Well you know i think its all bollocks, but at least islam gets some things right so a tip of me digital hat to u and ur islamic bretheren

Lol ok libtard.

Pumpkin Eater

@clevfan4life said:
Well you know i think its all bollocks, but at least islam gets some things right so a tip of me digital hat to u and ur islamic bretheren

Yeah you like the idea that Osiris interprets religious texts how he sees fit, to fit his personal beliefs. But then when Muslims use the Quran to justify the killing of fags, the stoning of disobedient women, killing infidels, or fuck a goat they are simply misinterpreting the Quran. Funny how you say Christians are convoluted.

Osiris

@pumpkin-eater said:
Yeah you like the idea that Osiris interprets religious texts how he sees fit, to fit his personal beliefs. But then when Muslims use the Quran to justify the killing of fags, the stoning of disobedient women, killing infidels, or fuck a goat they are simply misinterpreting the Quran. Funny how you say Christians are convoluted.

I interpret it in the way that maintains logical consistency within the text of the Quran. I hope that idea isn't to convoluted for you to grasp. I am however glad to see that you agree with me that when people use the Quran to justify evil deeds, they are misinterpreting it.

Clevfan4life

@pumpkin-eater said:
Yeah you like the idea that Osiris interprets religious texts how he sees fit, to fit his personal beliefs. But then when Muslims use the Quran to justify the killing of fags, the stoning of disobedient women, killing infidels, or fuck a goat they are simply misinterpreting the Quran. Funny how you say Christians are convoluted.

When i made the statement to him "to me it's all bollocks in the end", what do you think i mean by that? Let's put our thinking caps on. A few posts back i pretty much stated unequivocally that all the abrahamic religions in the end are pure rubbish. When you read a statement like that, what does it say to you? Lean back in your chair thoughtfully, maybe kick your feet up on the table to get some extra bloodflow to the brain and really mull it over. I await your findings.

Clevfan4life

obviously there's some basics pretty much that all religions got right, not gonna give them divine credit for it cause they miss badly on so much else.....but i'm by no means excluding or favoring Islam.

marcus

@mld-woody said:
How,?

The universe and all of the creatures that live in it are far too complex to just function the way they do just because. They got that way and do the things they do just because? There's something out there in control of it all.

This life has left me with so many questions I have to get to heaven just to find the answer to them all.

I guess to really answer your question it's just my personal belief. Science just strengthens my faith. Perhaps because I chose to see it as such. Just as some see it as a means to destroy other people's faith. Free will brother....free will.

MLD Woody

@marcus said:

The universe and all of the creatures that live in it are far too complex to just function the way they do just because. They got that way and do the things they do just because? There's something out there in control of it all.

This life has left me with so many questions I have to get to heaven just to find the answer to them all.

I guess to really answer your question it's just my personal belief. Science just strengthens my faith. Perhaps because I chose to see it as such. Just as some see it as a means to destroy other people's faith. Free will brother....free will.

If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.

If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.

That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.

Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...

calfoxwc

If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided. Woody

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Then why doesn't that work with mmgw?

http://www.climatedepot.com/2016/11/15/skeptics-deliver-2016-state-of-the-climate-report-to-un-summit-everything-you-been-told-about-global-warming-is-wrong/

'All of the so-called ‘solutions’ to global warming are purely symbolic when it comes to climate. So, even if we actually faced a climate catastrophe and we had to rely on a UN climate agreement, we would all be doomed!'

University of London professor emeritus Philip Stott: “The fundamental point has always been this. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically selected factor (CO2) is as misguided as it gets.” “It’s scientific nonsense,” Stott added.

Very prominent scientists are bailing out of the so-called “consensus.”

Renowned Princeton Physicist Freeman Dyson: ‘I’m 100% Democrat and I like Obama. But he took the wrong side on climate issue, and the Republicans took the right side’

Nobel Prize-Winning Scientist Dr. Ivar Giaever, Who Endorsed Obama Now Says Prez. is ‘Ridiculous’ & ‘Dead Wrong’ on ‘Global Warming’

Green Guru James Lovelock reverses belief in ‘global warming’: Now says ‘I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy’ - Condemns green movement: 'It’s a religion really, It’s totally unscientific'

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Meanwhile, climate skeptics descend on UN climate summit in Morocco: Skeptics in Morocco on Trump: ‘Expect both international & domestic climate agenda to be reversed. It’s about time!’