Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat.
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If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided. Woody
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Then why doesn't that work with mmgw?
'All of the so-called ‘solutions’ to global warming are purely symbolic when it comes to climate. So, even if we actually faced a climate catastrophe and we had to rely on a UN climate agreement, we would all be doomed!'
University of London professor emeritus Philip Stott: “The fundamental point has always been this. Climate change is governed by hundreds of factors, or variables, and the very idea that we can manage climate change predictably by understanding and manipulating at the margins one politically selected factor (CO2) is as misguided as it gets.” “It’s scientific nonsense,” Stott added.Very prominent scientists are bailing out of the so-called “consensus.”
Green Guru James Lovelock reverses belief in ‘global warming’: Now says ‘I’m not sure the whole thing isn’t crazy’ - Condemns green movement: 'It’s a religion really, It’s totally unscientific'
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Meanwhile, climate skeptics descend on UN climate summit in Morocco: Skeptics in Morocco on Trump: ‘Expect both international & domestic climate agenda to be reversed. It’s about time!’
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pro-mmgw people need to read this:
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https://www.hatch.senate.gov/public/_files/UNClimateScientistsSpeakOut.pdf
"Controlling carbon is kind of a bureaucrat's dream. If you control carbon, you control life.” - MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen, UN IPCC lead author and reviewer "First off, there isn't a consensus among scientists. Don't let anybody tell you there is.” - Dr. Charles Wax, past president of the American Association of State Climatologists "It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don't buy into anthropogenic global warming." - Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg, NOAA
UN IPCC Authors (Actual Authors of the UN IPCC Reports on Climate Change) Dr. John T. Everett, UN IPCC lead author and reviewer, led work on five impact analyses for the IPCC including Fisheries, Polar Regions, Oceans and Coastal Zones. a former National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) senior manager, project manager for the UN Atlas of the Oceans, received an award while at NOAA for "accomplishments in assessing the impacts of climate change on global oceans and fisheries" "It is time for a reality check," Warming is not a big deal and is not a bad thing, The oceans and coastal zones have been far warmer and colder than is projected in the present scenarios of climate change." "I would much rather have the present warm climate, and even further warming, than the next ice age that will bring temperatures much colder than even today. The NOAA PaleoClimate Program shows us that when the dinosaurs roamed the earth, the earth was much warmer, the CO2 levels were 2 to 4 times higher, and coral reefs were much more expansive. The earth was so productive then that we are still using the oil, coal, and gas it generated.” “For most life in the oceans, warming means faster growth, reduced energy requirements to stay warm, lower winter mortalities, and wider ranges of distribution," he explained. "No one knows whether the Earth is going to keep warming, or since reaching a peak in 1998, we are at the start of a cooling cycle that will last several decades or more."
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follow the link - there are 29 pages of these scientists' quotes.
I'd say we mmgw skeptics are on the right side of science.
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If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.The universe and all of the creatures that live in it are far too complex to just function the way they do just because. They got that way and do the things they do just because? There's something out there in control of it all.
This life has left me with so many questions I have to get to heaven just to find the answer to them all.
I guess to really answer your question it's just my personal belief. Science just strengthens my faith. Perhaps because I chose to see it as such. Just as some see it as a means to destroy other people's faith. Free will brother....free will.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
Except for the fact that a certain religion everyone here hates considers the pursuit of knowledge through empirical study to be one of the highest forms of prayer. I wish people would get off this myth that science and religion must always be diemtrically opposed.
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If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
Except for the fact that a certain religion everyone here hates considers the pursuit of knowledge through empirical study to be one of the highest forms of prayer. I wish people would get off this myth that science and religion must always be diemtrically opposed.
Gee Osiris you're getting hate from both sides.Except for the fact that a certain religion everyone here hates considers the pursuit of knowledge through empirical study to be one of the highest forms of prayer. I wish people would get off this myth that science and religion must always be diemtrically opposed.
WSS
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Gee Osiris you're getting hate from both sides.Except for the fact that a certain religion everyone here hates considers the pursuit of knowledge through empirical study to be one of the highest forms of prayer. I wish people would get off this myth that science and religion must always be diemtrically opposed.
WSS
Gee Osiris you're getting hate from both sides.
WSS
Yeah, and I thought we scary Moooslems were supposed to be the hateful ones.
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LOL
Muslims got sense of humor! who knew ?
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Gee Osiris you're getting hate from both sides.
WSS
Yeah, and I thought we scary Moooslems were supposed to be the hateful ones.
Yeah, and I thought we scary Moooslems were supposed to be the hateful ones.
Liberals are the party of peace.
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I was mainly just talking about Christianity, because I was talking to OBF. I don't know enough about Islam. I wouldn't be surprised if you were more moderate in your religion than OBF in his. There are people that identify as Christians that think a young earth is ridiculous.
That being said, religion at its core is probably going against science at some point. You could think we need to study the world around us and that evolution is real, but then also think a guy named Jesus was resurrected. Idk what the Islam equivalent would be.
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Liberals are the party of peace.
WSS
Well let's not get carried away. In general, liberals have been far more welcoming to minorities than conservatives. I just disagree with the idea that science and faith must have an antagonistic relationship. This is a narrative pushed by both liberals and conservatives.
I was mainly just talking about Christianity, because I was talking to OBF. I don't know enough about Islam. I wouldn't be surprised if you were more moderate in your religion than OBF in his. There are people that identify as Christians that think a young earth is ridiculous.
That being said, religion at its core is probably going against science at some point. You could think we need to study the world around us and that evolution is real, but then also think a guy named Jesus was resurrected. Idk what the Islam equivalent would be.
Islam doesn't believe in the resurrection of Jesus(though he is revered a a prophet) but their are other stories that taken literally would not jive with science. Despite that, the encouragement in religious doctrine for Muslims to seek knowledge is so frequent that it is considered a religious duty. It is a sad irony that illiteracy rates in many Muslim countries is very high. One of the many reasons that bad interpretations (such as Wahhabism) have been able to gain traction in modern history.
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Wahhabi clears out your sinuses.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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Lol I know. Thats the joke.
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Wahhabi clears out your sinuses.
Who knows, a good beheading probably does clear out your sinuses for about seven seconds.
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Lol I know. Thats the joke.
Sigh. I physically felt ur pain having to explain that
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If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.The universe and all of the creatures that live in it are far too complex to just function the way they do just because. They got that way and do the things they do just because? There's something out there in control of it all.
This life has left me with so many questions I have to get to heaven just to find the answer to them all.
I guess to really answer your question it's just my personal belief. Science just strengthens my faith. Perhaps because I chose to see it as such. Just as some see it as a means to destroy other people's faith. Free will brother....free will.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
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I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
Well said.
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I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't accuse anyone of judging me for my beliefs. They're welcome to it.
You're more than welcome to believe how you see fit. But if a conversation like this picks up, those beliefs aren't above critique.
I have no problem with an individual believing what they want to. As soon as those beliefs start directly or indirectly affecting me though, there's a problem.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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