Kyrie Irving thinks the earth is flat.
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I was mainly just talking about Christianity, because I was talking to OBF. I don't know enough about Islam. I wouldn't be surprised if you were more moderate in your religion than OBF in his. There are people that identify as Christians that think a young earth is ridiculous.
That being said, religion at its core is probably going against science at some point. You could think we need to study the world around us and that evolution is real, but then also think a guy named Jesus was resurrected. Idk what the Islam equivalent would be.
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Liberals are the party of peace.
WSS
Well let's not get carried away. In general, liberals have been far more welcoming to minorities than conservatives. I just disagree with the idea that science and faith must have an antagonistic relationship. This is a narrative pushed by both liberals and conservatives.
I was mainly just talking about Christianity, because I was talking to OBF. I don't know enough about Islam. I wouldn't be surprised if you were more moderate in your religion than OBF in his. There are people that identify as Christians that think a young earth is ridiculous.
That being said, religion at its core is probably going against science at some point. You could think we need to study the world around us and that evolution is real, but then also think a guy named Jesus was resurrected. Idk what the Islam equivalent would be.
Islam doesn't believe in the resurrection of Jesus(though he is revered a a prophet) but their are other stories that taken literally would not jive with science. Despite that, the encouragement in religious doctrine for Muslims to seek knowledge is so frequent that it is considered a religious duty. It is a sad irony that illiteracy rates in many Muslim countries is very high. One of the many reasons that bad interpretations (such as Wahhabism) have been able to gain traction in modern history.
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Wahhabi clears out your sinuses.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
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Lol I know. Thats the joke.
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Wahhabi clears out your sinuses.
Who knows, a good beheading probably does clear out your sinuses for about seven seconds.
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Lol I know. Thats the joke.
Sigh. I physically felt ur pain having to explain that
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If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.The universe and all of the creatures that live in it are far too complex to just function the way they do just because. They got that way and do the things they do just because? There's something out there in control of it all.
This life has left me with so many questions I have to get to heaven just to find the answer to them all.
I guess to really answer your question it's just my personal belief. Science just strengthens my faith. Perhaps because I chose to see it as such. Just as some see it as a means to destroy other people's faith. Free will brother....free will.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
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I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
Well said.
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I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't accuse anyone of judging me for my beliefs. They're welcome to it.
You're more than welcome to believe how you see fit. But if a conversation like this picks up, those beliefs aren't above critique.
I have no problem with an individual believing what they want to. As soon as those beliefs start directly or indirectly affecting me though, there's a problem.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.If you have strong faith, you're mind can't be changed. You look for evidence to support your predetermined conclusion.
If you choose the scientific, fact driven route, you welcome any additional data. You draw your conclusions from the evidence provided.
That's a big difference. If everyone thought the first way, we wouldn't get anywhere.
Also, "just because" is a gross oversimplification. But I imagine it makes the creationist viewpoint sound more legitimate...
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
Yep. Exactly. Marcus and OBF have far more patience than I do.
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I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
I don't accuse anyone of judging me for my beliefs. They're welcome to it.
You're more than welcome to believe how you see fit. But if a conversation like this picks up, those beliefs aren't above critique.
I have no problem with an individual believing what they want to. As soon as those beliefs start directly or indirectly affecting me though, there's a problem.
I don't accuse anyone of judging me for my beliefs. They're welcome to it.
You're more than welcome to believe how you see fit. But if a conversation like this picks up, those beliefs aren't above critique.
I have no problem with an individual believing what they want to. As soon as those beliefs start directly or indirectly affecting me though, there's a problem.
Critique yes, condosend no. You don't really expect me or any other believing poster to believe you weren't try to take a shot at our faith do you? Answering critique of our faith to the best of our ability is one of Christ's main missions for his followers.
We do that through the scriptures and our own life experiences, which if you've been paying attention you have seen in this thread. That's as good as it gets I'm afraid.
One thing I'm sure you can respect is a believer that does so without trying to crash your outlook.
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I heard a new found believer in Christ once excitedly say that life now had a new meaning with real purpose and direction. I say amen to that. I couldn't have said it any better.
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Wahhabi clears out your sinuses.
I'm allergic to it.
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I don't accuse anyone of judging me for my beliefs. They're welcome to it.
You're more than welcome to believe how you see fit. But if a conversation like this picks up, those beliefs aren't above critique.
I have no problem with an individual believing what they want to. As soon as those beliefs start directly or indirectly affecting me though, there's a problem.
Critique yes, condosend no. You don't really expect me or any other believing poster to believe you weren't try to take a shot at our faith do you? Answering critique of our faith to the best of our ability is one of Christ's main missions for his followers.
We do that through the scriptures and our own life experiences, which if you've been paying attention you have seen in this thread. That's as good as it gets I'm afraid.
One thing I'm sure you can respect is a believer that does so without trying to crash your outlook.
Critique yes, condosend no. You don't really expect me or any other believing poster to believe you weren't try to take a shot at our faith do you? Answering critique of our faith to the best of our ability is one of Christ's main missions for his followers.
We do that through the scriptures and our own life experiences, which if you've been paying attention you have seen in this thread. That's as good as it gets I'm afraid.
One thing I'm sure you can respect is a believer that does so without trying to crash your outlook.
Is it condescending to correct your spelling of condescend? I honestly don't care at all, but that's pretty ironic/funny. Sorry.
Like I said though, you're free to believe what you want. I'm free to say my thoughts on it. If I think it's ridiculous, I'll say so.
Also, I genuinely didn't understand your last line. What did you mean by it?
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No it's not to condescending to correct my spelling. I can laugh at that as well especially since I identify myself as an educated man. I meant that you can respect someone of faith that offers a differing opinion. Particularly someone that does so without judging you or being outright disrespectful of your outlook on faith. Lest I've misjudged you.
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I respect your right to believe it. I respect your right to not lose rights because of your belief. I respect your right to not be discriminated against for your religious belief.
I still think a lot of what you believe is ridiculous and I'm still going to bring that up when discussions like this happen.
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I respect your right to believe it. I respect your right to not lose rights because of your belief. I respect your right to not be discriminated against for your religious belief.
I still think a lot of what you believe is ridiculous and I'm still going to bring that up when discussions like this happen.
Granted. But let me ask you this, why is it not enough to disagree and keep it moving? Why the melodrama about "rediculousness"? Not trolling you just wanting to see where you're coming from.I respect your right to believe it. I respect your right to not lose rights because of your belief. I respect your right to not be discriminated against for your religious belief.
I still think a lot of what you believe is ridiculous and I'm still going to bring that up when discussions like this happen.
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I don't know what else you want from me. I honestly answered your honestly asked question. Truthfully, I don't completely understand my faith. However what I can say is that it has brought me this far.
I will rephrase one part of my prior response. It's the mystery of life and of faith itself that drives me towards it. I really think I'm on the road to a fulfilling life and I'm happy. Can you get there without faith? You tell me. Point is it's what has worked for me and I don't feel as if I've lost anything by believing. Just as I'm sure you believe that you lose nothing by not believing.
The difference between you and me is I respect your choice to not believe and keep it moving. You on the other hand choose to ridicule and even judge people that do believe. Which ironically is probably something you accuse believers of doing to you. Live Long and Prosper.
Yep. Exactly. Marcus and OBF have far more patience than I do.
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Try to be more of on an even keel like me Cal.
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