Man Shot & Killed For Being Brown
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@boo-fagley said:
Hang him.
Is that Cleve?
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"At a press conference, a local prosecutor said Purinton has been charged with one count of premeditated first degree murder, and two counts of attempted premeditated first degree murder. He is awaiting extradition to Kansas from Missouri, according to officials. An FBI official said the agency is investigating with local police. Itβs unclear for now if Purinton will be charged with a federal hate crime. He is under a $2 million bond."
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And this man's life is over. He will either spend the rest of his life in prison or put to death. That is all we can do in society. You can blame the gun but he could have just waited for these two to step outside and ran them over with his car? You can blame alcohol but we tried prohibition already? If a person wants to be a racist how can they be stopped? All we can do is punish the guilty.
That's a defeatist attitude, in my opinion. Things like this don't happen as frequently in states with stronger gun-control laws. How reduce the occurrence of hate crime? Propagate less hate and more understanding.
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I think the population data bears out that it does make a difference. It won't completely stop events like this, but it makes it less likely. Said another way, how do you explain that states with stricter gun laws have lower gun fatality rates?
Illinois, despite Chicago's violence, remains in the top 15 states with the lowest gun fatality rates. See, I spent 10+ years analyzing big-data in genomics so I don't look for anecdotes to drive policy, I look for trends, and the trends are pretty clear. Firearm fatalities are lower per capita in states with tighter gun restrictions. That's not debatable.
You have on the one hand, states like MA with 3 firearms-related deaths per 100,000 people, which is about the same as France and Switzerland, then on the opposite end, states like Louisiana, and Alaska, with over 20 firearms related deaths per 100,000 people, which is similar to Brazil and only better than a collection of South-American countries.
I know this is an oversimplification, but if you average the fatality rate of Democratic states, you get 9 per 100,000. Do the same for Republican states, you get 15. That's a very significant difference, and it is most likely because Democratic states have tighter gun laws. So this business about gun laws not making a difference is self-delusion even worse than mmgw denialism.
I have problems with this oversimplified analysis. Vast majority of your firearm related deaths in Louisiana for example, come from the overwhelmingly Democrat-controlled city New Orleans.
And when we do the break down by city instead of state we get a much different picture than the one you're describing.
Not to mention some of these states have like no people living in them so the few gun deaths that do occur sky rocket the gun-death per 100,000 number.
I have problems with this oversimplified analysis. Vast majority of your firearm related deaths in Louisiana for example, come from the overwhelmingly Democrat-controlled city New Orleans.
And when we do the break down by city instead of state we get a much different picture than the one you're describing.
Not to mention some of these states have like no people living in them so the few gun deaths that do occur sky rocket the gun-death per 100,000 number.
You are taking anecdote (New Orleans) to try and disprove population statistics. It's similar to pointing to a single cold winter to try and say MMGW doesn't exist.
However, using party affiliation is a poor proxy as a guess to a state's level of gun control, so I went to the trouble to make this chart. Yeah, maybe I'm bored on a Friday afternoon. What is shows is the firearm fatality rates by state, with the Brady Score of each state overlaid on top of it. Brady Score is a measure of a state's gun control laws. Higher score means more gun control law. The trendlines make it pretty clear. States with more gun control have fewer firearms fatalities.
You are correct though about smaller states, the smaller population does make the statistics for them less reliable.
Don't you think better socioeconomic conditions would have a greater and faster impact than strict gun laws though?
Again, the focus should be getting to root of the problem. That root is what drives another human being to end the life of another human being. Why are people opting to kill as opposed to civil resolution of their issues?
Strict gun laws are comparable to a bandaid on a shotgun wound. Our real trouble in this country is how we treat each other on a daily basis. We are not striving towards civilization but galloping towards barbarism and anarchy. Guns are a tool that contribute to that. However they are still tools and not the motive behind murder.
I agree that improving socio-economic conditions would have an important impact, and I'm all for it. IMO it is much harder to enact major socio-economic change than it is to have tighter gun control. I'm all for a multi-pronged approach that includes tighter access to guns and socio-economic improvement.
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Blah blah this. Blah blah that.
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Suicides count as firearm deaths, by the way.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Which account for almost 2/3 of firearm deaths. I can't find the data but I'd bet laws make little to no impact on homicides by firearm. Homicides are already illegal.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
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Suicides count as firearm deaths, by the way.
Suicides count as firearm deaths, by the way.
I don't dispute that or that suicide makes up 60% of those deaths.
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Suicides count as firearm deaths, by the way.
Suicides count as firearm deaths, by the way.
Which explains why Alaska's so high. Don't see the sun for 6 months? That'd be awful.
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boston - dem - high gun control
nyc - dem - high gun control
philly - dem - high gun control
la - dem high gun control
chicago - dem high gun control
yet, they have hideously high gun murder rates. anything else is bs.
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Which account for almost 2/3 of firearm deaths. I can't find the data but I'd bet laws make little to no impact on homicides by firearm. Homicides are already illegal.
Which account for almost 2/3 of firearm deaths. I can't find the data but I'd bet laws make little to no impact on homicides by firearm. Homicides are already illegal.
Murder is illegal. Homicide is just a description of how a person met their end (by the hands of another). The actual commission of murder is the culmination of circumstances (intent, pre-meditated, not pre-meditated, etc.) that are determined by investigation.
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I thought about changing that and didn't because you will be investigated for homicide 100% of the time no matter whether it's deemed justifiable or not
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Let's not be naive. Yes if everyone in the United States was educated and upper-middle-class we would probably have less gun violence. Now if anyone has a way to accomplish that I'm all ears.
It would also work if everyone, or at least almost everyone barring some kind of emergency situation, was born to a mature mother and father.
It would also work if everyone followed the teachings of Jesus Christ.
But that's all kind of pie in the sky isn't it?
Also, not to change the subject, but what are the gun violence rates in places like Wyoming or Utah or Montana?
I guess I could look it up but I'm seriously asking.
WSS
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I thought about changing that and didn't because you will be investigated for homicide 100% of the time no matter whether it's deemed justifiable or not
I thought about changing that and didn't because you will be investigated for homicide 100% of the time no matter whether it's deemed justifiable or not
Correct sir.
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You can use gun deaths per capita to show that tighter gun control laws lead to less deaths.
Or you can use total gun deaths to show that gun control laws don't correlate closely with it.
Did the image you linked control for population density?
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Let's not be naive. Yes if everyone in the United States was educated and upper-middle-class we would probably have less gun violence. Now if anyone has a way to accomplish that I'm all ears.
It would also work if everyone, or at least almost everyone barring some kind of emergency situation, was born to a mature mother and father.
It would also work if everyone followed the teachings of Jesus Christ.
But that's all kind of pie in the sky isn't it?
Also, not to change the subject, but what are the gun violence rates in places like Wyoming or Utah or Montana?
I guess I could look it up but I'm seriously asking.
WSS
Let's not be naive. Yes if everyone in the United States was educated and upper-middle-class we would probably have less gun violence. Now if anyone has a way to accomplish that I'm all ears.
It would also work if everyone, or at least almost everyone barring some kind of emergency situation, was born to a mature mother and father.
It would also work if everyone followed the teachings of Jesus Christ.
But that's all kind of pie in the sky isn't it?
Also, not to change the subject, but what are the gun violence rates in places like Wyoming or Utah or Montana?
I guess I could look it up but I'm seriously asking.
WSS
It's not pie in the sky. The chart I posted above shows that gun control laws work in America.
Here is the firearms fatality rates for the 3 states you mentioned.
Wyoming: 19.6 fatality rate.
Utah: 12.8 fatality rate.
Montana:19.2 fatality rate,
"I said, 'I need someone who's going to want to get on the roller coaster with me knowing that it's not always going to be fun,'" -Paul DePodesta -
You can use gun deaths per capita to show that tighter gun control laws lead to less deaths.
Or you can use total gun deaths to show that gun control laws don't correlate closely with it.
Did the image you linked control for population density?
You can use gun deaths per capita to show that tighter gun control laws lead to less deaths.
Or you can use total gun deaths to show that gun control laws don't correlate closely with it.
Did the image you linked control for population density?
The chart itself I made. The statistics are from CDC though. According to the site:
"States are categorized from highest rate to lowest rate. Although adjusted for differences in age-distribution and population size, rankings by state do not take into account other state specific population characteristics that may affect the level of mortality. When the number of deaths is small, rankings by state may be unreliable due to instability in death rates."
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
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Blah blah this, blah blah that.........
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liberal bs, more liberal bs, I don't have guns, so nobody should, and these are
my excuses....
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