Nick Mangold released
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I could argue that we've had a developmental Center on the roster since we drafted Cam and that he could fill that slot for years to come...
I think between Reiter and Fabs we have adequate depth at Center and one that one of them will emerge as a more than adequate starter.
Then there's always John...
As I said, I've always liked Nick... still do.
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Well, I hope to hell that you guys are right.....
Because I dont want to burn another pick on center......and I sure as hell dont want a repeat of last year......a year that we had Erving, John and Reiter.....yet OC was a joke....a revolving door.....considered our biggest problem....
So....our biggest problem is now corrected by just waiting a few months and not doing anything else?....
hmmmmm, Im not convinced....
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since he was released, can't we just put in a claim and pay his 2017 salary? Forget signing as a free agent?
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I could argue that we've had a developmental Center on the roster since we drafted Cam and that he could fill that slot for years to come...
I think between Reiter and Fabs we have adequate depth at Center and one that one of them will emerge as a more than adequate starter.
Then there's always John...
As I said, I've always liked Nick... still do.
As I said, I've always liked Nick... still do.
I do too. I saw the ESPN 30 for 30 on the 1985 Bears again yesterday great story but some sad parts about Walter Payton and others in particular the linemen and even Jim McMahon with all their mental problems many from C.T.E.
True the NFL is doing some premptive measures now, well they were forced to do them. Still a guy with 11 years in the trenches I'd like to see them consider retirement. Hopefully they can financially swing it and haven't blown everything.
It's a young man's game.
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At the very least, he could buy some time for the previous upgrade we found at Center (currently rehabbing his knee) Austin Reiter.
It would be nice if we didn't have to dick around in this draft looking for another Center.
Austin Reiter played one game(almost).....how is everyone so sure this guy is our next center.....???
Besides, well be dicking around drafting "edge" at #1, even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year, eh?
And we're still needing a QB, WR, OT, OLB, SS & TE too .....even though we just.....oh, never mind....
"Developmental Center" is a thing now?
I've loved Nick, but 11 seasons have taken their toll. I hope he lands with a contender.
Woulda looked pretty good in 2016, dont ya think?......maybe could have saved a few games(and QB's).....
Sometimes an old guy off the bench is just what the doctor ordered......developmental?....or "save the day"
Besides, well be dicking around drafting "edge" at #1, even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year, eh?
Mud all year: no trade backs, draft BPA, if we trade back I will murder someone.
Browns pre-draft: *plan to draft Myles Garrett, consensus BPA*
Mud: even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year
Always something to complain about.
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Besides, well be dicking around drafting "edge" at #1, even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year, eh?
Mud all year: no trade backs, draft BPA, if we trade back I will murder someone.
Browns pre-draft: *plan to draft Myles Garrett, consensus BPA*
Mud: even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year
Always something to complain about.
Mud all year: no trade backs, draft BPA, if we trade back I will murder someone.
Nope....I advocate a short trade back at #1 and a trade up at #12.....have said it many times and you just miss the point(as always)
Browns pre-draft: *plan to draft Myles Garrett, consensus BPA*
Yep.....Id love to draft Garrett, no issues there......Id also take Allen or Reuben or Adams.....hence my willingness to trade back....
Mud: even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year
That was a specific reference for Flugel(Ie, an inside discussion that you know nothing about)......and a direct stab at our FO that just spent 2 high picks on edge and 4 picks on WR, yet we still need edge and WR help....
In fact, they spent their first 7 picks on WR, Edge, Edge, OT, QB, OLB and WR....can you point to ONE of these positions that is NOT still a need?
Nope....and that is why Ive STARTED complaining....(this year)
Always something to complain about.
With the performance of this FO.....you are correct....
Ive never EVER complained till this regime came in.....and Ive been a fan twice as long as youve been alive.....so to point to me as a "complainer", based upon my history of complaining for 2% of my years as a fan if very very short sighted...
If you'd like see true "continuous" complaining, bitching and whining, go read your post history....go read my posts over the last couple months,, then read yours.... and tell me who comes here to talk football and who comes here to argue....the answer is very very clear
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At the very least, he could buy some time for the previous upgrade we found at Center (currently rehabbing his knee) Austin Reiter.
It would be nice if we didn't have to dick around in this draft looking for another Center.
Austin Reiter played one game(almost).....how is everyone so sure this guy is our next center.....???
Besides, well be dicking around drafting "edge" at #1, even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year, eh?
And we're still needing a QB, WR, OT, OLB, SS & TE too .....even though we just.....oh, never mind....
"Developmental Center" is a thing now?
I've loved Nick, but 11 seasons have taken their toll. I hope he lands with a contender.
Woulda looked pretty good in 2016, dont ya think?......maybe could have saved a few games(and QB's).....
Sometimes an old guy off the bench is just what the doctor ordered......developmental?....or "save the day"
Austin Reiter played one game(almost).....how is everyone so sure this guy is our next center.....???
Because the barometer Farmer set at Center as high as a 1st round priority was only Cam Erving - who never looked nearly as good as my very first impression of Reiter despite so many more opportunities to do so. I'm guessing someone found a bunch of reasons to bring Reiter here in the first place. Keep in mind, that being only Reiter's first NFL start against a playoff team in a position/area where young players often improve with more experience and chemistry gave many of us reasons to be positive. Aside from that, look how much quicker Reiter grasped the same playbook and blocking schemes while showing an understanding of the defensive fronts/schemes Erving continued to struggle with.
If I was certain we were all set with Reiter (and his injury situation in particular), why would I want us to sign Mangold? Doing this allows us to avoid adding a bare cupboard to contend with in our 2017 draft volume. We had visitors the day we played Pittsburgh on the last week; but I thought I saw someone else playing the Center position much better than Erving was in his very first start as well. Crow looked like he was averaging 10 yards a carry between the tackles against their starting front 7 so the upgrade doesn't necessarily have to be Reiter here.
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since he was released, can't we just put in a claim and pay his 2017 salary? Forget signing as a free agent?
since he was released, can't we just put in a claim and pay his 2017 salary? Forget signing as a free agent?
I'm not sure- is the waiver wire active? If it is, we can put a claim on him. I suppose that's another small perk (if you want to call it that) we get first crack at all the teams cuts.
Or is Mangold essentially a UFA, and can sign with any team he wants to? BTW, being from SW Ohio I don't doubt he's a Bengals fan.
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"Developmental Center" is a thing now?
I've loved Nick, but 11 seasons have taken their toll. I hope he lands with a contender.
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since he was released, can't we just put in a claim and pay his 2017 salary? Forget signing as a free agent?
I'm not sure- is the waiver wire active? If it is, we can put a claim on him. I suppose that's another small perk (if you want to call it that) we get first crack at all the teams cuts.
Or is Mangold essentially a UFA, and can sign with any team he wants to? BTW, being from SW Ohio I don't doubt he's a Bengals fan.
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Well, I hope to hell that you guys are right.....
Because I dont want to burn another pick on center......and I sure as hell dont want a repeat of last year......a year that we had Erving, John and Reiter.....yet OC was a joke....a revolving door.....considered our biggest problem....
So....our biggest problem is now corrected by just waiting a few months and not doing anything else?....
hmmmmm, Im not convinced....
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Did I mention he hasn't allowed a sack in 33 games?!?!?!
I knew I'd heard that somewhere before...
I'm not sure- is the waiver wire active? If it is, we can put a claim on him. I suppose that's another small perk (if you want to call it that) we get first crack at all the teams cuts.
Or is Mangold essentially a UFA, and can sign with any team he wants to? BTW, being from SW Ohio I don't doubt he's a Bengals fan.
UFA... the off-season hurdle is slightly less than 11 accrued seasons...
(It's 4.)During the season all releases are subject to waivers.
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he hasn't allowed a sack in 33 straight games. If he doesn't fit the model change the model. Sometimes you need a piece outside the model to make the rest work well. This is a guy who might keep a QB who "fits the model" alive. He won't be on the couch very long at all unless he does have a career threatening injury.He doesn't fit the FO model. 10 year player, hard to say if the Jets released him because they think he's washed up. He's probably better than Camshaft, but that may not be saying much.
Most likely scenario is he sits on the couch until a team loses a starting center.
he hasn't allowed a sack in 33 straight games. If he doesn't fit the model change the model. Sometimes you need a piece outside the model to make the rest work well. This is a guy who might keep a QB who "fits the model" alive. He won't be on the couch very long at all unless he does have a career threatening injury.
Hey...these Harvard guys are smarter than everyone else...haven't you heard? They aren't going to change "their model" just because it makes sense.
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i'd sign his sister to start on our line, at this point why not?
i'd sign his sister to start on our line, at this point why not?
Probably better than Cam Erving.
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n fact, they spent their first 7 picks on WR, Edge, Edge, OT, QB, OLB and WR....can you point to ONE of these positions that is NOT still a need?
Nope....and that is why Ive STARTED complaining....(this year)
Boy....this is something that I had not thought about. The only one that may not be a dire need is WR...simply because of the many WRs we got last year, plus having maybe Pryor on board.
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Mud all year: no trade backs, draft BPA, if we trade back I will murder someone.
Nope....I advocate a short trade back at #1 and a trade up at #12.....have said it many times and you just miss the point(as always)
Browns pre-draft: *plan to draft Myles Garrett, consensus BPA*
Yep.....Id love to draft Garrett, no issues there......Id also take Allen or Reuben or Adams.....hence my willingness to trade back....
Mud: even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year
That was a specific reference for Flugel(Ie, an inside discussion that you know nothing about)......and a direct stab at our FO that just spent 2 high picks on edge and 4 picks on WR, yet we still need edge and WR help....
In fact, they spent their first 7 picks on WR, Edge, Edge, OT, QB, OLB and WR....can you point to ONE of these positions that is NOT still a need?
Nope....and that is why Ive STARTED complaining....(this year)
Always something to complain about.
With the performance of this FO.....you are correct....
Ive never EVER complained till this regime came in.....and Ive been a fan twice as long as youve been alive.....so to point to me as a "complainer", based upon my history of complaining for 2% of my years as a fan if very very short sighted...
If you'd like see true "continuous" complaining, bitching and whining, go read your post history....go read my posts over the last couple months,, then read yours.... and tell me who comes here to talk football and who comes here to argue....the answer is very very clear
Mud all year: no trade backs, draft BPA, if we trade back I will murder someone.
Nope....I advocate a short trade back at #1 and a trade up at #12.....have said it many times and you just miss the point(as always)
Browns pre-draft: *plan to draft Myles Garrett, consensus BPA*
Yep.....Id love to draft Garrett, no issues there......Id also take Allen or Reuben or Adams.....hence my willingness to trade back....
Mud: even though we tapped the top 2??? sackers last year
That was a specific reference for Flugel(Ie, an inside discussion that you know nothing about)......and a direct stab at our FO that just spent 2 high picks on edge and 4 picks on WR, yet we still need edge and WR help....
In fact, they spent their first 7 picks on WR, Edge, Edge, OT, QB, OLB and WR....can you point to ONE of these positions that is NOT still a need?
Nope....and that is why Ive STARTED complaining....(this year)
Always something to complain about.
With the performance of this FO.....you are correct....
Ive never EVER complained till this regime came in.....and Ive been a fan twice as long as youve been alive.....so to point to me as a "complainer", based upon my history of complaining for 2% of my years as a fan if very very short sighted...
If you'd like see true "continuous" complaining, bitching and whining, go read your post history....go read my posts over the last couple months,, then read yours.... and tell me who comes here to talk football and who comes here to argue....the answer is very very clear
You haven't complained about trade backs? That's not my recollection but I'll take your word for it.
We need neither edge nor WR help. If we take Garrett, it's because we couldn't get an acceptable trade offer and/or he's that much of an upgrade to our guys. That doesn't mean we need help there, that means we're taking BPA. I'd be perfectly happy going into this year with Orchard, Nassib, Ogbah, and Bryant at the edge. But if we take Myles, I'll be ok with that too.
Yes. WR, Edge, OT, and OLB are all not needs (maybe depth at OLB). Next question?
Your great record means nothing. You're a complainer now. I talk lots of football here. Yes, I also like to troll Gipper and Ghoolie and when people make pointless Eeyore-type posts I make fun of them too. I'm also engaged in ONE political thread just because it was started on this board. Aside from that, I never go to the politics board. So what you said is completely false. And the crux of the matter here is that you started this back and forth by complaining about my complaining. Because it's cool when you do it, but not anyone else.
Carry on.
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