Camp Trade Down
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Well it didn't take long to go from "hey guys, what do you think about this?" to "browns suck they should do my idea!"
respect is respect..saying shut the fuck up or calling posters McFly defines posters and boards,,,
obviously there are some internet tough guys on this board.who lack the intelligence or maturity to have serious discussions without calling others names..
also not a football fanatic..fanaticism.in all it's forms is scary. do know logic and logic says if the top qb's in the draft or available in a trade have mid/ late 1st rd value and you need a qb then move to the back and draft/trade for one.
feel free to check the Rams record the last 3 years after drafting a HOF DT. Real discussion on this board should be on Gararppola or McCarron. or another backup. like Foles career 56 td with only 27 int and has had only one bad year in his 5 year career.
where are the draft guys? none on this board? Davis Webb? If Jackson liked Goff he should love Brad Kaaya..basically the same player with Brad Kaaya having bigger hands Peterman has some Kurt Warner in his game...maybe the best small window passer in this draft.
watched Goff all year..those small hands are an issue..really struggles throwing the ball on the move or when his feet aren't set. So skinny that he was knocked out of one game why an average hit and almost knocked out of another. Shy kid with an Indifferent work ethic...he has a long way to avoid being a bust
reading a few threads that gipper guy should be booted off along with a few others...worthless and mean spirited. They remind me of the fake tough guy in the bar in Tombstone that drove out all the regulars. Mods need to do something..sure a lot of normal, intelligence posters avoid this place but that's their problem. not mine .
respect is respect..saying shut the fuck up or calling posters McFly defines posters and boards,,,
obviously there are some internet tough guys on this board.who lack the intelligence or maturity to have serious discussions without calling others names..
And then they're not wroth responding to, trust me on that one! But you started with "has this been talked about?" like any fan from another team just asking out of curiosity, which *should* be treated with respect (and generally was - you just have to normalise that respect by understanding the browns luck in trading down and taking a later first round QB). Then you moved pretty quickly to "well clearly you guys suck, here's my opinion on everything and you should just do that" and, well, that's fighting talk. You won't get a honeymoon period on this board!
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"Umbrageous" wft? lol. A word I don't know. dammit, Gipper - I'll have to look it up later.
Meanwhile, I'm bracing myself for two options. It's Mitch Trubisky. With the top pick.
OR, it isn't Trubisky, and a trade down to, say, the Bears who do want him.
While Garrett is "all that".... the question comes to mind:
How much is this guy close to being a pass rush impact player, as Garrett would be?
Right now, he's said to be a second round pick?
Suppose his stock climbs higher than that after the combine?
It could look like: Trubisky at one, S/LB at 12 (Peppers? )
Tanoh Kpassagnon, 3-4DE, Villanova
Height: 6-6. Weight: 280. Arm: 34.75. Hand: 10.88.
Projected 40 Time: 4.72.
Projected Round (2017): 2-3.
2/18/17: Kpassagnon recorded 45 tackles with 21.5 for a loss, 11 sacks, one forced fumble and a pass batted in 2016. Sources from multiple teams said they see Kpassagnon being selected in the second round of the 2017 NFL Draft. He had a quality week of practice at the Senior Bowl.
9/3/16: Kpassagnon has impressed NFL sources in their scouting of fall practices. In 2015, he totaled 33 tackles with 6.5 sacks, 9.5 tackles for a loss, two blocked kicks and a forced fumble. Evaluators believe that Kpassagnon is raw, but that the skill set is there with a lot of upside to develop. Sources say that Kpassagnon is a perfect fit as a five-technique defensive end in a 3-4 defense. Defensive ends with his measurements are in demand, and teams believe that a strong season could result in Kpassagnon being selected in the second or third round of the 2017 NFL Draft. -
okay, this just changed again. lol.
1st Round
1. Trubisky.
2. Top cb. Several of them will go in the first round. It's a passing league now.
2nd Round
3. Obi Melifonwu, hybrid safety/lb/rover role
4. Tanoh Kpassagnon, 3-4 DE
I really like this...
then oline, te.... but this will change in about an hour.... dammit.
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"Umbrageous" wft? lol. A word I don't know. dammit, Gipper - I'll have to look it up later.
Essentially means: inclined to take offense easily.
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"Umbrageous" wft? lol. A word I don't know. dammit, Gipper - I'll have to look it up later.
Essentially means: inclined to take offense easily.
"Umbrageous" wft? lol. A word I don't know. dammit, Gipper - I'll have to look it up later.
Essentially means: inclined to take offense easily.
As in still tied to the umbrageous cord?
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"Umbrageous" wft? lol. A word I don't know. dammit, Gipper - I'll have to look it up later.
Essentially means: inclined to take offense easily.
As in still tied to the umbrageous cord?
As in still tied to the umbrageous cord?
Someone apparently is.
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so after that combine how much do you think Myles Garrett is worth? think we could get 3 first rounders? 2 firsts and 2 seconds?
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so after that combine how much do you think Myles Garrett is worth? think we could get 3 first rounders? 2 firsts and 2 seconds?
so after that combine how much do you think Myles Garrett is worth? think we could get 3 first rounders? 2 firsts and 2 seconds?
How much? A lot. Based on measurables- the scouts had it right. He is a once in a generation player. I'd be a little more concerned if he hadn't backed that up with plenty of spectacular on field tape. There have been plenty of workout warriors like Vernon Gholston who promptly busted in the NFL.
As to what we'd want- it would totally depend on how far down we'd have to move. But I just can't see the Browns trading out of #1 this year. We've passed on too many studs in previous years. Garrrett is the closest to a sure thing you're ever going to see on defense. It's either him or Mitch.
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Pluto weighs in on Garrett after the combine.
http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index.ssf/2017/03/cleveland_browns_combine_scrib.html
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The trade down issue boils down to this: Even if you think you can get a top notch player at #1 overall......is it worth it to pass over that one player for the chance to get 2-3 really good players. On a team that has as many holes as Swiss Cheese as the Browns, it may be tempting to do the trade down.
E.g. Is, say, having the Tits #5 and #18 a better choice for the team than having #1. In theory you could have two superior players in lieu of one fantastic player.
Does that help the team better?
(Clearly not if you draft Trent Richardson and Brandon Weeden in round one....but if you get Clay Matthews and Ozzie Newsome?)
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Tennessee is the only team I would consider trading 1 to as I would want the 2 x 1s at least
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Fuck right off with that bullshit
What if we traded with San Diego and they gave us Bosa and their Number 7?
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I could live with a trade down, but not past all of these 3, Garrett Allen or Thomas. We need that pass rusher and those are the top 3 IMO. So no drop beyond the #4 pick if you are sure someone you are trading with is taking a QB @ #1.
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I'd say anybody looking to take one of the quarterbacks at number one is desperate.
And we should be able to take them to the cleaners.
WSS
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I'd say anybody looking to take one of the quarterbacks at number one is desperate.
And we should be able to take them to the cleaners.
WSS
I'd say anybody looking to take one of the quarterbacks at number one is desperate.
And we should be able to take them to the cleaners.
WSS
That would be the Cleveland Browns.
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Trade down with Jacksonville to #4 for a 2nd and 3rd take Mitch, use #12 on OJ Howard . This draft class is loaded with defense you could load up with all the extra picks.
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Trade down with Jacksonville to #4 for a 2nd and 3rd take Mitch, use #12 on OJ Howard . This draft class is loaded with defense you could load up with all the extra picks.
Trade down with Jacksonville to #4 for a 2nd and 3rd take Mitch, use #12 on OJ Howard . This draft class is loaded with defense you could load up with all the extra picks.
Sorry but if you take 2 O players as your first two, you will not get premier D players from 33 on. Good? Sure. Great? No.
Besides if you trade down to #4 there is no guarantee Mitch does not go to either SF or Chi. Why would you trade down that far with that kind of risk? Makes no sense.
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Trade down with Jacksonville to #4 for a 2nd and 3rd take Mitch, use #12 on OJ Howard . This draft class is loaded with defense you could load up with all the extra picks.
Trade down with Jacksonville to #4 for a 2nd and 3rd take Mitch, use #12 on OJ Howard . This draft class is loaded with defense you could load up with all the extra picks.
Well Jax may be in the market for a DE/OLB So? What is the status of Dante Fowler? Is he like so badly injured as to be unsalvageable?
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I don't think there are many teams willing to give up the typical ransom required to move into the number one spot. I don't recall it happening too often for a defensive player. If for some reason several teams start to think there is a sure-fire pro-bowl qb, then things might start getting interesting.Yes, a few teams think pretty highly of a few of the different qbs, but it doesn't seem there is a consensus cant miss qb to generate the trade-buzz required for the expensive trades.
A few years ago the Dolphins moved from 12 to 3 and just swapped 1st and gave up their second. I think if Garret is still the number one player come draft day (and I think he will be) then I think the trade price will be something similar (a little stronger as it is the #1). I just don't see teams willing to bet the farm in order to select a defensive player, especially in a defensive loaded draft.
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I don't think there are many teams willing to give up the typical ransom required to move into the number one spot. I don't recall it happening too often for a defensive player. If for some reason several teams start to think there is a sure-fire pro-bowl qb, then things might start getting interesting.Yes, a few teams think pretty highly of a few of the different qbs, but it doesn't seem there is a consensus cant miss qb to generate the trade-buzz required for the expensive trades.
A few years ago the Dolphins moved from 12 to 3 and just swapped 1st and gave up their second. I think if Garret is still the number one player come draft day (and I think he will be) then I think the trade price will be something similar (a little stronger as it is the #1). I just don't see teams willing to bet the farm in order to select a defensive player, especially in a defensive loaded draft.
I don't think there are many teams willing to give up the typical ransom required to move into the number one spot. I don't recall it happening too often for a defensive player. If for some reason several teams start to think there is a sure-fire pro-bowl qb, then things might start getting interesting.Yes, a few teams think pretty highly of a few of the different qbs, but it doesn't seem there is a consensus cant miss qb to generate the trade-buzz required for the expensive trades.
A few years ago the Dolphins moved from 12 to 3 and just swapped 1st and gave up their second. I think if Garret is still the number one player come draft day (and I think he will be) then I think the trade price will be something similar (a little stronger as it is the #1). I just don't see teams willing to bet the farm in order to select a defensive player, especially in a defensive loaded draft.
So? What is your answer then? Just use #1 on a guy...or trade it?
While a lot of people here are convinced about what the Browns are going to do...they have to remember this group's short history: analytics says multiply your assets. A Trade down is not out of the question.....IF someone comes along and is desperate for that #1 pick the Browns have already announced that they are open to the possibility.
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