OK, just announce we're taking Garrett....
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I don't get why people want to take a HB at 12. We have so many needs, and we want to use the #12 pick on the position where you can most consistently get production for late round guys. Plus I think Crow and Duke are solid.
I agree but the presence of fournette at 12 would leave me uncertain. Like if both hooker and peppers are long gone, a distinct probability.....than id have to take a strong look at fournette if he were to still be there.
I agree but the presence of fournette at 12 would leave me uncertain. Like if both hooker and peppers are long gone, a distinct probability.....than id have to take a strong look at fournette if he were to still be there.
I would just never take a HB that high
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i just love the idea of having a 6th offensive lineman out there. Howard has the skill set to contribute on different levels and is willing to do it.
I'd be a fan of Howard even if he was 'just' a 6'6" 250 lb TE who caught everything with his hands without ever dropping the ball. After watching him play, I saw he was so much more than that, he's a great blocker who was a major part of the Alabama run game. The kid has no weaknesses, and I'm worried he will end up with the ravens or steelers.
Edit: oh yeah, I almost forgot he ran a 4.51 40 at the combine and threw up 22 bench press reps...
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i just love the idea of having a 6th offensive lineman out there. Howard has the skill set to contribute on different levels and is willing to do it.
I'd be a fan of Howard even if he was 'just' a 6'6" 250 lb TE who caught everything with his hands without ever dropping the ball. After watching him play, I saw he was so much more than that, he's a great blocker who was a major part of the Alabama run game. The kid has no weaknesses, and I'm worried he will end up with the ravens or steelers.
Edit: oh yeah, I almost forgot he ran a 4.51 40 at the combine and threw up 22 bench press reps...
i just love the idea of having a 6th offensive lineman out there.
Well in that case there's always the Shaheen kid out of Ashland...
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i just love the idea of having a 6th offensive lineman out there.
Well in that case there's always the Shaheen kid out of Ashland...
Well in that case there's always the Shaheen kid out of Ashland...
Interesting... although this was part of his scouting write up "He's a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame"
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Well in that case there's always the Shaheen kid out of Ashland...
Interesting... although this was part of his scouting write up "He's a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame"
Interesting... although this was part of his scouting write up "He's a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame"
Followed by "... but he's also a much more dangerous pass catching target."
I'll take a big, TE who needs work blocking so long as, as Mike Mayock put it, "the kid shows a willingness to stick his face in there." A quick look says he passes that test.
He starts shaky, but there is more good than bad overall. Check out the route/catch at the 3:44 mark.
Most of what I saw of him blocking in the above was pretty good.... raw as hell, but pretty good... and certainly willing. Did not see the head dipping mz the pussy wrote up. Pretty good punch with hands consistently inside and little reaching with no holding that I saw.
Waist down is where work is needed... more knee flex and sitting with his feet under him will help him keep the position he establishes early.
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I would not be opposed to Njoku at #33, but I'd be even happier with Hodges in the third.
Shaheen is a consolation prize if we can't get one of the aforementioned two, in my opinion.
No to Howard, he's gonna go top 15 and that's just too high.
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I don't get why people want to take a HB at 12. We have so many needs, and we want to use the #12 pick on the position where you can most consistently get production for late round guys. Plus I think Crow and Duke are solid.
I don't get why people want to take a HB at 12. We have so many needs, and we want to use the #12 pick on the position where you can most consistently get production for late round guys. Plus I think Crow and Duke are solid.
I think we have only 1 guy that wants a RB there: PoG.
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If the browns go offensive playmaker at 12, I'd much rather have Orenthal James Howard than any of the RBs...
If the browns go offensive playmaker at 12, I'd much rather have Orenthal James Howard than any of the RBs...
Is that really his name?
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If the browns go offensive playmaker at 12, I'd much rather have Orenthal James Howard than any of the RBs...
Actually, thank goodness, it's O'Terrius Jabari Howard... but nonetheless I agree with the sentiment.
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The juice is loose!
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Interesting... although this was part of his scouting write up "He's a poorer blocker than what might be expected for a player with his frame"
Followed by "... but he's also a much more dangerous pass catching target."
I'll take a big, TE who needs work blocking so long as, as Mike Mayock put it, "the kid shows a willingness to stick his face in there." A quick look says he passes that test.
He starts shaky, but there is more good than bad overall. Check out the route/catch at the 3:44 mark.
Most of what I saw of him blocking in the above was pretty good.... raw as hell, but pretty good... and certainly willing. Did not see the head dipping mz the pussy wrote up. Pretty good punch with hands consistently inside and little reaching with no holding that I saw.
Waist down is where work is needed... more knee flex and sitting with his feet under him will help him keep the position he establishes early.
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I would not be opposed to Njoku at #33, but I'd be even happier with Hodges in the third.
Shaheen is a consolation prize if we can't get one of the aforementioned two, in my opinion.
No to Howard, he's gonna go top 15 and that's just too high.
Shaheen is a consolation prize if we can't get one of the aforementioned two, in my opinion.
No to Howard, he's gonna go top 15 and that's just too high.
Absolutely on Shaheen... he's a borderline novelty, but one with more than a little potential.
However, I disagree on OJH. I've seen multiple mocks, including sims, where he's clearly looks like the best option to me at #12.
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I dont see us taking a TE at 12# That Shaheen kid looks good Tour Good Find
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The only way I would pass on OJ at 12 would be if one of the top DBs somehow falls to 12.
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I dont see us taking a TE at 12# That Shaheen kid looks good Tour Good Find
I dont see us taking a TE at 12# That Shaheen kid looks good Tour Good Find
Hey... it pays to watch the Combine...
... also apparently the East-West Shrine game... which I did not.I haven't finished watching the top OL prospects yet, so I sure as hell haven't spent time on Div II college TEs.
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I remember listening to a dude on Texags radio talking about how we (A&M) would never ask Ricky Seals-Jones to block anyone, even though we lined him up in the box at H-back or TE, and to that end he said something like "the guy's in the room, he wants to party. Let the man party!" And he followed it up with "you turn on OJ Howard, that dude's on the floor beer bonging. Blocking everyone."
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Shaheen is a consolation prize if we can't get one of the aforementioned two, in my opinion.
No to Howard, he's gonna go top 15 and that's just too high.
Absolutely on Shaheen... he's a borderline novelty, but one with more than a little potential.
However, I disagree on OJH. I've seen multiple mocks, including sims, where he's clearly looks like the best option to me at #12.
Absolutely on Shaheen... he's a borderline novelty, but one with more than a little potential.
However, I disagree on OJH. I've seen multiple mocks, including sims, where he's clearly looks like the best option to me at #12.
My feeling is...if he's the best option available for us at #12, I'd much rather take the trade down. And that's not a knock on OJ so much as it's more of a commentary on the availability of tight ends with similar skill sets in this draft.
I think OJ is the most well rounded of the "freaks" (OJ, Njoku, Hodges), but I believe Njoku to be the best pure catcher and I think Hodges has the most versatility/potential in that he could be a Kelvin Benjamin clone on the outside and a Jimmy Graham clone on the inside.
If it comes to #12 and Foster/Adams/Watson/Trubisky/Lattimore/Kizer/Hooker/possibly Melifonwu are all gone...AND we don't need a receiver...AND we can't get a trade partner....then I'd be happy with Howard.
But I'd much rather have any one of those players listed at #12 and go Njoku at #33 or Hodges at some point in the late second/early third.
Once again, none of this is a knock on OJ as much as it is just a value thing IMO.
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Absolutely on Shaheen... he's a borderline novelty, but one with more than a little potential.
However, I disagree on OJH. I've seen multiple mocks, including sims, where he's clearly looks like the best option to me at #12.
My feeling is...if he's the best option available for us at #12, I'd much rather take the trade down. And that's not a knock on OJ so much as it's more of a commentary on the availability of tight ends with similar skill sets in this draft.
I think OJ is the most well rounded of the "freaks" (OJ, Njoku, Hodges), but I believe Njoku to be the best pure catcher and I think Hodges has the most versatility/potential in that he could be a Kelvin Benjamin clone on the outside and a Jimmy Graham clone on the inside.
If it comes to #12 and Foster/Adams/Watson/Trubisky/Lattimore/Kizer/Hooker/possibly Melifonwu are all gone...AND we don't need a receiver...AND we can't get a trade partner....then I'd be happy with Howard.
But I'd much rather have any one of those players listed at #12 and go Njoku at #33 or Hodges at some point in the late second/early third.
Once again, none of this is a knock on OJ as much as it is just a value thing IMO.
My feeling is...if he's the best option available for us at #12, I'd much rather take the trade down. And that's not a knock on OJ so much as it's more of a commentary on the availability of tight ends with similar skill sets in this draft.
I think OJ is the most well rounded of the "freaks" (OJ, Njoku, Hodges), but I believe Njoku to be the best pure catcher and I think Hodges has the most versatility/potential in that he could be a Kelvin Benjamin clone on the outside and a Jimmy Graham clone on the inside.
If it comes to #12 and Foster/Adams/Watson/Trubisky/Lattimore/Kizer/Hooker/possibly Melifonwu are all gone...AND we don't need a receiver...AND we can't get a trade partner....then I'd be happy with Howard.
But I'd much rather have any one of those players listed at #12 and go Njoku at #33 or Hodges at some point in the late second/early third.
Once again, none of this is a knock on OJ as much as it is just a value thing IMO.
You make a good point about the depth of the TE position in this draft. I think it was the video with Zegura and Gribble that mentioned that this draft is legendary in terms of the number of quality TE prospects.
When it comes to Njoku, however, I'm gonna have to disagree. OJ is bigger, faster and has better hands. Njoku is only 20 years old, so he has time to develop as a blocker, but I don't see him ever being the hands catcher that Howard is currently. That being said, I wouldn't be upset if the Browns got Njoku at 33, the kid is a freakish athlete - just not as complete as Howard.
Honestly, haven't looked too closely at this TE class and haven't thought of the position as a serious need. There's a good chance that after a bit more research I'll end up viewing things differently. What I can't foresee, is a situation in which OJ Howard in an orange helmet isn't the tits.
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