Pryor to Redskins
-
I hope you are being sarcastic...
RE: Pryor- nope, I was coming from the place Rosenhaus is going to argue to the Browns on just how much Pryor is worth. (in his deluded mind) Of course an agent is going to try to maximize his client's deal- and as a result fatten his wallet in the process.
I'll stand by what I posted earlier. Make him a reasonable offer with an incentive laden contract. You want to get paid like a top 15 receiver? Well earn it. You want a shit ton of guaranteed money? Let some other team pay it for you.
Now regarding Brown- the Steelers sure were desperate to keep him in the fold. Between him Rothlisberger, and Bell- they're shelling out a boatloads of cash on those three.
Now regarding Brown- the Steelers sure were desperate to keep him in the fold. Between him Rothlisberger, and Bell- they're shelling out a boatloads of cash on those three.
They should. They are that entire team essentially. Those 3 guys are the difference between them and what the Browns were this past season.
-
dawgsbynauture.com has Sources that say Pryor will be coming back for 9-10 mil. The source is Jason La canfora though.
Edit. Just speculation
-
Doesn't every team do this?
I don't think so... at least not the "this" I was trying to communicate.
I think a lot of teams do what hoorta was doing a post or two after yours, i.e., try to ID players who are the equivalent of TP on a macro, qualitative basis. These teams then look at how much those ID'd players are paid, either add on a premium or deduct a chunk to create an opening offer, hit "Send" and wait for the phone to ring to begin the price haggling.
I think we have done the regression analysis to develop a quantitative, micro, skill-value model into which we can plug any FA's skill assessment and crank out what is that player's fair value. We present that assessment to the player and discuss differences in the assessment.
I didn't realise he was 28 years old!
And here I thought you read my posts...
Will be 28 as of June 20.Let's face it. He only got that many yards because there was no one else to throw to other the Barny.
Yup... just as Barn benefited the year before that and Hawk the year before that.
Ya know if Brown is worth that then Pryor is worth this.
I hope you are being sarcastic...
I don't think so... at least not the "this" I was trying to communicate.
I think a lot of teams do what hoorta was doing a post or two after yours, i.e., try to ID players who are the equivalent of TP on a macro, qualitative basis. These teams then look at how much those ID'd players are paid, either add on a premium or deduct a chunk to create an opening offer, hit "Send" and wait for the phone to ring to begin the price haggling.
I think we have done the regression analysis to develop a quantitative, micro, skill-value model into which we can plug any FA's skill assessment and crank out what is that player's fair value. We present that assessment to the player and discuss differences in the assessment.
But aren't we still talking "normal" football statistics? The Browns aren't looking at Pryor and saying "he gets off the line in 2 seconds, his catch radius is 7 feet and his hands are rated at 65, so that projects to $8.5 million a year in value"
I guess I'm not following. I'd hope each team evaluates a players skill set and what the team loses and gains with loss or replacement. Like the Gabriel vs Hawkins dilemma, which unfortunately they guessed wrong.
-
NFL channel - the guy covering the Browns says the Browns offered 12 million, tp is looking for more.
Remembering how he was fussing and bitching? about something again and again to Hue and a few other
coaches... during a game? stick a fork in him if he is that much a bighead that he wants Antonio Brown money.
Brown has proven himself over more than just the one season. I think Pryor is gone, and won't be sorry he left.
-
dawgsbynauture.com has Sources that say Pryor will be coming back for 9-10 mil. The source is Jason La canfora though.
Edit. Just speculation
dawgsbynauture.com has Sources that say Pryor will be coming back for 9-10 mil. The source is Jason La canfora though.
Edit. Just speculation
So that means its most likely a lie.
-
dawgsbynauture.com has Sources that say Pryor will be coming back for 9-10 mil. The source is Jason La canfora though.
Edit. Just speculation
So that means its most likely a lie.
-
Lets be perfectly real anout pryor....on a team with other options abd a halfway decent QB that has tome to throw the ball, he could very well be the top wr in football. The "time to throw the ball" notion is important because he's most dangerous on the downfield routes. Ofc on a team that cant protect the qb for more than a nano second, that qb is going to struggle getting the ball out.
But still, asking more money than marshal........ehhhh i dunno about that
-
Lets be perfectly real anout pryor....on a team with other options abd a halfway decent QB that has tome to throw the ball, he could very well be the top wr in football. The "time to throw the ball" notion is important because he's most dangerous on the downfield routes. Ofc on a team that cant protect the qb for more than a nano second, that qb is going to struggle getting the ball out.
But still, asking more money than marshal........ehhhh i dunno about that
Lets be perfectly real anout pryor....on a team with other options abd a halfway decent QB that has tome to throw the ball, he could very well be the top wr in football. The "time to throw the ball" notion is important because he's most dangerous on the downfield routes. Ofc on a team that cant protect the qb for more than a nano second, that qb is going to struggle getting the ball out.
But still, asking more money than marshal........ehhhh i dunno about that
Sorry but not better than Julio Jones, AJ Green, OBJ, Antonio Brown, etc. His routes and hands aren't nearly good enough for top 5 let alone top 10 WR in the NFL
-
Yeah turning down $12M is a little ridiculous.
-
I don't think so... at least not the "this" I was trying to communicate.
I think a lot of teams do what hoorta was doing a post or two after yours, i.e., try to ID players who are the equivalent of TP on a macro, qualitative basis. These teams then look at how much those ID'd players are paid, either add on a premium or deduct a chunk to create an opening offer, hit "Send" and wait for the phone to ring to begin the price haggling.
I think we have done the regression analysis to develop a quantitative, micro, skill-value model into which we can plug any FA's skill assessment and crank out what is that player's fair value. We present that assessment to the player and discuss differences in the assessment.
But aren't we still talking "normal" football statistics? The Browns aren't looking at Pryor and saying "he gets off the line in 2 seconds, his catch radius is 7 feet and his hands are rated at 65, so that projects to $8.5 million a year in value"
I guess I'm not following. I'd hope each team evaluates a players skill set and what the team loses and gains with loss or replacement. Like the Gabriel vs Hawkins dilemma, which unfortunately they guessed wrong.
But aren't we still talking "normal" football statistics? The Browns aren't looking at Pryor and saying "he gets off the line in 2 seconds, his catch radius is 7 feet and his hands are rated at 65, so that projects to $8.5 million a year in value"
I guess I'm not following. I'd hope each team evaluates a players skill set and what the team loses and gains with loss or replacement. Like the Gabriel vs Hawkins dilemma, which unfortunately they guessed wrong.
Actually we somehow ended up close in how we think we are doing it. But I think there are a lot more "factors"... as you probably do as well.
I do not think there are a lot of teams breaking it down as far as we are... but it's just a suspicion.
NFL channel - the guy covering the Browns says the Browns offered 12 million, tp is looking for more.
That's higher than any reported offer I've read. But it matches a couple reports of what TP was asking...
-
1140 yards of total offense plus 5TD's. I'm not prepared to hand Pryor the farm but some are writing off that kind of production too quickly.
-
We're going to lose Pryor just like we lost Mitchell Schwartz. Our money experts accurately predicted Schwartz's value, and we let him test the market. After he tested it and found out that he couldn't get the money he THOUGHT, he came back to the Browns looking for the previous offer we made. Only we didn't OFFER him that same offer because we were being proud assholes. We were going to "stick it to him". Show him that he screwed up, and that we were right. So we offered him less, and Schwartz walked. I don't blame him. How hard would it have been to make the same damn offer? What did we really gain by acting like that? That shit pisses me off SO MUCH.
Our money people are doing the same thing with Pryor. We basically said that "this is the value we have on you, so if you can get more, good luck." It's crazy...just CRAZY. Unless Pryor was asking for something RIDICULOUS, and I don't know for sure what that number was, we should've gotten a deal done. Who the HELL is catching the ball for us? How can we expect a rookie QB, or whichever veteran we bring in to become successful with virtually ZERO receiving targets?
-
NFL channel - the guy covering the Browns says the Browns offered 12 million, tp is looking for more.
Remembering how he was fussing and bitching? about something again and again to Hue and a few other
coaches... during a game? stick a fork in him if he is that much a bighead that he wants Antonio Brown money.
Brown has proven himself over more than just the one season. I think Pryor is gone, and won't be sorry he left.
NFL channel - the guy covering the Browns says the Browns offered 12 million, tp is looking for more.
Remembering how he was fussing and bitching? about something again and again to Hue and a few other
coaches... during a game? stick a fork in him if he is that much a bighead that he wants Antonio Brown money.
Brown has proven himself over more than just the one season. I think Pryor is gone, and won't be sorry he left.
Could this turn out to be a Mitchell Schwartz situation? Browns offer 12 mill. Pryor says no. Pryor gets no better offer, then comes back to Browns and says "I will take the 12 mill."...then Browns respond: "That offer is off the table".
It happened once, it could happen again.
-
We're going to lose Pryor just like we lost Mitchell Schwartz. Our money experts accurately predicted Schwartz's value, and we let him test the market. After he tested it and found out that he couldn't get the money he THOUGHT, he came back to the Browns looking for the previous offer we made. Only we didn't OFFER him that same offer because we were being proud assholes. We were going to "stick it to him". Show him that he screwed up, and that we were right. So we offered him less, and Schwartz walked. I don't blame him. How hard would it have been to make the same damn offer? What did we really gain by acting like that? That shit pisses me off SO MUCH.
Our money people are doing the same thing with Pryor. We basically said that "this is the value we have on you, so if you can get more, good luck." It's crazy...just CRAZY. Unless Pryor was asking for something RIDICULOUS, and I don't know for sure what that number was, we should've gotten a deal done. Who the HELL is catching the ball for us? How can we expect a rookie QB, or whichever veteran we bring in to become successful with virtually ZERO receiving targets?
We're going to lose Pryor just like we lost Mitchell Schwartz. Our money experts accurately predicted Schwartz's value, and we let him test the market. After he tested it and found out that he couldn't get the money he THOUGHT, he came back to the Browns looking for the previous offer we made. Only we didn't OFFER him that same offer because we were being proud assholes. We were going to "stick it to him". Show him that he screwed up, and that we were right. So we offered him less, and Schwartz walked. I don't blame him. How hard would it have been to make the same damn offer? What did we really gain by acting like that? That shit pisses me off SO MUCH.
Our money people are doing the same thing with Pryor. We basically said that "this is the value we have on you, so if you can get more, good luck." It's crazy...just CRAZY. Unless Pryor was asking for something RIDICULOUS, and I don't know for sure what that number was, we should've gotten a deal done. Who the HELL is catching the ball for us? How can we expect a rookie QB, or whichever veteran we bring in to become successful with virtually ZERO receiving targets?
OK, great minds think alike.
-
they just did it. if they actually sign Britt, they basically told Pryor, this is market value. He didn't take it, so they extended it to someone else who has almost the exact same numbers! Plus, they have now set the benchmark for other teams to use. PHI, TN, etc. are basically going to offer him the same contract that Browns are giving Britt. It would be great if they signed both, but I don't see it happening
-
From @AllbrightNFL who has good info last couple of days
"Pryor and Jeffrey finding they vastly overestimated their market value"
-
We're going to lose Pryor just like we lost Mitchell Schwartz. Our money experts accurately predicted Schwartz's value, and we let him test the market. After he tested it and found out that he couldn't get the money he THOUGHT, he came back to the Browns looking for the previous offer we made. Only we didn't OFFER him that same offer because we were being proud assholes. We were going to "stick it to him". Show him that he screwed up, and that we were right. So we offered him less, and Schwartz walked. I don't blame him. How hard would it have been to make the same damn offer? What did we really gain by acting like that? That shit pisses me off SO MUCH.
Our money people are doing the same thing with Pryor. We basically said that "this is the value we have on you, so if you can get more, good luck." It's crazy...just CRAZY. Unless Pryor was asking for something RIDICULOUS, and I don't know for sure what that number was, we should've gotten a deal done. Who the HELL is catching the ball for us? How can we expect a rookie QB, or whichever veteran we bring in to become successful with virtually ZERO receiving targets?
OK, great minds think alike.
OK, great minds think alike.
So you think we learned nothing from last year? If so then I expect another shit draft with a bunch of reaches again in one position.
Hello! It looks like you're interested in this conversation, but you don't have an account yet.
Getting fed up of having to scroll through the same posts each visit? When you register for an account, you'll always come back to exactly where you were before, and choose to be notified of new replies (either via email, or push notification). You'll also be able to save bookmarks and upvote posts to show your appreciation to other community members.
With your input, this post could be even better 💗
Register Login