Obama takes one step forward
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mz. said:
Outstanding post, choco.Economically, I don't see much of difference between parties at this point, much like you. The social issues thing is the part that concerns me as well. Those who claim to champion freedom that get all in our (and everyone's) personal shit for whatever Biblical or "values" reason is exactly what gets me too.
Do you have a problem with bible bangers? they must scare you, your probably feeling guilty of something.
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simple fact is, he's done nothing shrub hasn't done
That's kind of the point Choco and mz the pussy.
And Bush was despised for it.
fiscally, conservatives have the right idea.....too bad they spend like democrats.
Yes. But now it's many times worse. Complain about spending and elect the guy who vows to quadruple it.
Make sense?
socially, you need to stay the xxxx outta my business. keep your religion to yourselves, because we dont care what you think.
And the fact that that the president comes from a far more outspoken and hard core Christian church than G W Bush and holds the same view of gay marriage means what to you?
WSS
And the fact that that the president comes from a far more outspoken and hard core Christian church than G W Bush and holds the same view of gay marriage means what to you?
WSS
It means, to me, that we still have a long way to go.
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So we're going to work from the premise that Barack Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush because of the church he went to?
Really?
Again, distinctions, Steve, distinctions. George W. Bush is a born-again Christian who takes many views that are diametrically opposed to the ones Barack Obama takes. They're two different people, as much as you'd like to point out that they both went to church so that makes them the same.
As for gay marriage, I don't believe for a second that Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage personally, and that his opposition is pure political calculation. Nor would anyone who follows anything imagine that George Bush and Barack Obama have the same views and policies on gay rights.
Just once, try and tell two unlike things apart instead of conflating them so as to cram them into your cartoonish world view.
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Choco has joined the mz the pussy/Heck/Legacy fag club. Shame on you dummy. mz the pussy is the biggest hypocrite in here. He is a lying piece of cow shit. And you look like you might join him. Welcome aboard.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.β - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Screw gay marriage, It is unnatural, and disgusting for two humans of the same sex to copulate. Even though you may enjoy it, it doesn't make it normal. You are all freaks of nature and may you all die a slow death. Peace.
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I made the "fag club"????
Yes!!!
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I made the "fag club"????
Yes!!!
I made the "fag club"????
Yes!!!
Welcome, Leg!!!
Now let us all "die a slow death" because we believe in equality!! Thanks, DieHard!!!
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Screw gay marriage, It is unnatural, and disgusting for two humans of the same sex to copulate. Even though you may enjoy it, it doesn't make it normal. You are all freaks of nature and may you all die a slow death. Peace.
Screw gay marriage, It is unnatural, and disgusting for two humans of the same sex to copulate. Even though you may enjoy it, it doesn't make it normal. You are all freaks of nature and may you all die a slow death. Peace.
Well said.
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So we're going to work from the premise that Barack Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush because of the church he went to?
Really?
Again, distinctions, Steve, distinctions. George W. Bush is a born-again Christian who takes many views that are diametrically opposed to the ones Barack Obama takes. They're two different people, as much as you'd like to point out that they both went to church so that makes them the same.
As for gay marriage, I don't believe for a second that Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage personally, and that his opposition is pure political calculation. Nor would anyone who follows anything imagine that George Bush and Barack Obama have the same views and policies on gay rights.
Just once, try and tell two unlike things apart instead of conflating them so as to cram them into your cartoonish world view.
So we're going to work from the premise that Barack Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush because of the church he went to?
Really?
Yeah Heck, really.
Of course if you say so I'm willing to accept that your boy was faking it all along to consolidate power among the, ahem, race sensitive constituents.
Again, distinctions, Steve, distinctions. George W. Bush is a born-again Christian who takes many views that are diametrically opposed to the ones Barack Obama takes. They're two different people, as much as you'd like to point out that they both went to church so that makes them the same.
Oh dear no.
Obama's church is much more outratgeous than Bush's.
As for gay marriage, I don't believe for a second that Obama doesn't believe in gay marriage personally, and that his opposition is pure political calculation. Nor would anyone who follows anything imagine that George Bush and Barack Obama have the same views and policies on gay rights.
So again you say Obama is lying for personal gain.
Could be.
Then again it isn't really an outlandish idea is it?
I'd say most Americans oppose gay marriage. I'm certainly in the minority.
Just once, try and tell two unlike things apart instead of conflating them so as to cram them into your cartoonish world view.
Just once try to apply your blind hate equally.
But you can't seem to.
Kisses
WSS
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Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush. Got it.
Also, they have the same positions of gay rights. Got that too.
Thanks for clearing that up. Where would we all be without this insight?
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Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush. Got it.
Also, they have the same positions of gay rights. Got that too.
Thanks for clearing that up. Where would we all be without this insight?
Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush. Got it.
Obama to be prayer day no-show
I am in agreement though, with Obama, or Gibbs, or Rahm or whomever it is that's writing today, that prayer should be a personal, private matter.
I just find it amusing that Shirley Dobson is the only bureaucrat in Washington that isn't getting her calls returned. Is this Administration turning over a new leaf?
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Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush. Got it.
Also, they have the same positions of gay rights. Got that too.
Thanks for clearing that up. Where would we all be without this insight?
Obama is more of a conservative Christian than George W. Bush. Got it.
Trinity United or St John's? (But like I said I;'m willing to accept your argument that Obama's merely a power hungry liar.)
Also, they have the same positions of gay rights. Got that too.
Sorry. What gay rights are being denied?
Thanks for clearing that up. Where would we all be without this insight?
And thanks again for mischaracterizing a comment when you are unable to respond.
And thanks for proving once again you're nothing more than a flack.
And where would the conversation be without me?
It'd be you shilling for the empty suit ad infinitum.
Glad to help.
WSS
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Choco has joined the mz the pussy/Heck/Legacy fag club. Shame on you dummy. mz the pussy is the biggest hypocrite in here. He is a lying piece of cow shit. And you look like you might join him. Welcome aboard.
Choco has joined the mz the pussy/Heck/Legacy fag club. Shame on you dummy. mz the pussy is the biggest hypocrite in here. He is a lying piece of cow shit. And you look like you might join him. Welcome aboard.
ok then.....unless you haven't noticed, mz the pussy and i get heated quite a bit.
to be clear, i am not affiliated with either party.....i offer praise when they do something right (almost never), yet express dissent when they screw up.
republicans are, by far, larger hypocrites than democrats could ever aspire to be. perhaps its the influence of the buy bull beaters.....but to preach freedom and deny it to those based on moral judgments is fairly reprehensible. look in the mirror when you decide it OK to rail on gay's....half the GOP are closet homosexuals....unless you haven't noticed. i seem to think their (ie, GOP) hopes are to ban gay marriage to remove their temptation.....you hiding something DHB?
the only positive i've personally seen come from the religious right is the sexual repression forced on their children. college was a great time as a result.......
im sorry you're not comfortable in your own skin.....its still no reason to deny others the right to a pursuit of happiness.......and happiness here is not just your happiness.
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Steve, you're terribly uninformed. Terribly.
George Bush wasn't only against gay marriage, he pushed for and endorsed a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. That's hardly Obama's position on gay marriage. He's done nothing to try and stop the states from passing laws that legalize gay marriage. He's never said an unkind word about those decisions. Because he agrees with them. He just doesn't say so for political reasons. Politicians make these types of political decisions all the time -- you know, because they're politicians. It's fine to call them on it, but to imagine that this doesn't happen or that somewhere there's a politician who doesn't make political decisions is to live in a sizeable cocoon of naivetΓ©.
As a supporter of gay marriage, and as someone who wanted to see Obama elected in part because of his far superior position on gay rights issues, and issues of equality in general, I didn't want him to mention his support for gay marriage in the campaign - nor did I expect him to - so that he'd stand the best chance of winning.
Trust me: the gay community, and the people who care about issues that affect the gay community, are much happier to see Barack Obama president than someone who was also against gay marriage (though not for amending the Constitution) and selected a running mate who believes that not only should gays not be allowed to marry, but that being gay is a sin against God.
Again, if you can't tell the difference between Barack Obama and George Bush or even John McCain on gay issues than you're tragically simple. It's really not that hard to differentiate.
Or try their policies on DADT. Again, totally different.
It's okay to admit this reality, even though I'm the one who is laying it out for you. It's like admitting that brown and green are different colors. It's that simple.
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Steve, you're terribly uninformed. Terribly.
George Bush wasn't only against gay marriage, he pushed for and endorsed a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. That's hardly Obama's position on gay marriage. He's done nothing to try and stop the states from passing laws that legalize gay marriage. He's never said an unkind word about those decisions. Because he agrees with them. He just doesn't say so for political reasons. Politicians make these types of political decisions all the time -- you know, because they're politicians. It's fine to call them on it, but to imagine that this doesn't happen or that somewhere there's a politician who doesn't make political decisions is to live in a sizeable cocoon of naivetΓ©.
As a supporter of gay marriage, and as someone who wanted to see Obama elected in part because of his far superior position on gay rights issues, and issues of equality in general, I didn't want him to mention his support for gay marriage in the campaign - nor did I expect him to - so that he'd stand the best chance of winning.
Trust me: the gay community, and the people who care about issues that affect the gay community, are much happier to see Barack Obama president than someone who was also against gay marriage (though not for amending the Constitution) and selected a running mate who believes that not only should gays not be allowed to marry, but that being gay is a sin against God.
Again, if you can't tell the difference between Barack Obama and George Bush or even John McCain on gay issues than you're tragically simple. It's really not that hard to differentiate.
Or try their policies on DADT. Again, totally different.
It's okay to admit this reality, even though I'm the one who is laying it out for you. It's like admitting that brown and green are different colors. It's that simple.
Steve, you're terribly uninformed. Terribly.
George Bush wasn't only against gay marriage, he pushed for and endorsed a Constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.
Don't see the big difference.
The Bush position was equal or to the left of most Americans. No marriage but accepting of civil union.
So they're both against it.
So one panders a little left and one a little right.
BFD.
I realize you fully expect Obama to lie since it might have alienated his biggest voting bloc.
Dude you can spin all ya want.
BIDEN: "No, Barack Obama nor I support redefining, from a civil side, what constitutes marriage. We do not support that. That is basically a decision to be able to be left to the faiths and people who practice their faiths to determine what you call it."
Plus the church Obama sought out as anadult is wayyyyy over the top orf any one Bush attended.
Just man up Heck, if ya hate Christians that badly hate 'em all.
I know "equality" is important to ya.
WSS
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