Why hasn't this team embraced Osweiler?
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Hasnt stopped em before......
So, perception of the fans and media is more important than a good poker face at the negotiating table?
They've done a lot of stupid shit before. Doesn't make it ok. This is different. Who's negotiating? You really think anyone wants Osweiler right now? You think his huge contract was the only reason why people are staying away from him. He's garbage.
Who's negotiating? You really think anyone wants Osweiler right now? You think his huge contract was the only reason why people are staying away from him. He's garbage.
I absolutely think Miami is sniff'n around....Gase had this kid playing pretty decent ball in Denver and with Tannehill's knee still on the mend I'd guess he'd be willing to throw next yrs3rd at us if we eat the bonus.
All playoff teams want a viable option at QB2...And he is a viable option...ask Oakland.
If in fact this FO announced to the world that they'll cut him if they can't trade him ??? Now that is foolish!
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Forget the actual trade and your opinion of what they did. But once the trade was made, the Browns devalued their asset (QB) by mentioning his name as an afterthought and immediately talking about trading or cutting him. Dumb move. Stupid. Even if that's their intention, don't let the world see your cards! What they should have done is embrace him, promote his skills, talk about how it doesn't prevent you from signing, trading or drafting a QB, but BO is a huge upgrade (over RG3) and in the hands of HJ, he could vastly improve his performance over last year. That's what the Patriots are doing with Garopolo. That's how they leverage their asssets in possible trade negotiations. In the NFL, no team wants to buy something that another team is talking about cutting.
I'm still wondering if this F.O. know what their doing. At this point, with the BO trade, the loss of TP and Mitch Swartz and Gabriel last year, I'm very disappointed.
Why the no love? Because NFL GMs saw Texan fans dancing in the streets when the Browns took Osweilier off their hands? Because it wasn't exactly rocket science to see Houston wanted the Brockster gone so bad they were willing to gift us a second round pick for doing them a big favor?
It's been posted in another thread- our current front office is showing some signs of intelligence. We know what the market is for your talent level, and we're not overpaying. That's why Pryor is gone- overvalued himself by at least a couple million and had to sign an inferior contract with the Redskins. Schwartz wound up signing the same contract he would have gotten with the Browns elsewhere. Gabriel? No one's perfect. Belichick might be wishing he didn't unload Collins- especially if he loses Hightower to the Titans or Jets.
Maybe Osweiler does start a few games in preseason, and really impresses.
It isn't tough to be a lot better than RGIII.....
Maybe in this offense, he does really well... who knows. It's worth a try.
The try will be to get another team to take the Brockster off our hands at a big discount. I'm sure you realize that Cal. He was decent with the Broncos, horrible with the Texans. More ints than TDs. Let that be a huge warning to the Garropolo fans, he had more starts under his belt than Jimmy. I can see a plan of rolling with Kessler, and drafting our QBOTF. Is there a chance Osweiler could still be on the team come preseason? Sure- anything's possible. But considering the Browns didn't exactly roll out the Red Carpet for him, do you think he feels his future is in Cleveland?
It's been posted in another thread- our current front office is showing some signs of intelligence. We know what the market is for your talent level, and we're not overpaying. That's why Pryor is gone- overvalued himself by at least a couple million and had to sign an inferior contract with the Redskins. Schwartz wound up signing the same contract he would have gotten with the Browns elsewhere. Gabriel? No one's perfect. Belichick might be wishing he didn't unload Collins- especially if he loses Hightower to the Titans or Jets.
Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team. Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington! We could have had two strong WR's with Coleman in the slot but it slid through Sasha's fingers. And again, that's going to hurt the team.
Oh, and we still don't have a Franchise QB.
So no, I'm not impressed with the FO so far. Please don't hang their hat on paying $16 M on a second rounder. Tell me how well that works out when Pryor makes the pro bowl next year.
First year as a WR with no QB and Pryor gains over 1000 yards and Sashi let him go? With a 1-16 record? Unacceptable! Sorry, no love here! We can't take one step forward and one step backwards!
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
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The principle was, that the Browns offer up a really nice contract, and somebody goes elsewhere and won't sign.
That changes things.
A. He really isn't interested in staying, and is only playing musical chairs to up the money.
B. Once that happens, the Browns rightly choose not to play musical chairs.
C. Once a player shows he really couldn't care less about staying, but is all about playing
one team against another, and the other teams won't pony up, the player has established
a market value for himself, and the Browns can go with said market value.
I don't imagine the Browns know what the other team actually offered..but a dishonest player could say
"well, the redskins offered me 18 million a year, will you match that" when it was not true.The original offer was way above board, very generous, to get it done before free agency.
Plain and simple, that offer didn't work, so the Browns aren't holding to the original offer, because
the numbnuts player walked away. His arrogance lost him money. Consequences of greed and arrogance.
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Wrong thread Cal
Wrong thread Cal
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Is the OP really bitching about Sashi not being nice to Brock?
And then following it up with a tantrum about Pryor?
Is this real life?
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What is this the difference between getting a fourth round pick with retained salary or getting nothing and cutting him?
Who cares?
Much more important to communicate to your fan base that you didn't acquire Osweiler to be the answer to the question they've been asking for twenty years.
He's a negative-value asset (as evidenced by the trade). At best, his value could potentially be upgraded to neutral by absorbing salary. Not something as a Browns fan that I'm concerned about.
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
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It's been posted in another thread- our current front office is showing some signs of intelligence. We know what the market is for your talent level, and we're not overpaying. That's why Pryor is gone- overvalued himself by at least a couple million and had to sign an inferior contract with the Redskins. Schwartz wound up signing the same contract he would have gotten with the Browns elsewhere. Gabriel? No one's perfect. Belichick might be wishing he didn't unload Collins- especially if he loses Hightower to the Titans or Jets.
Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team. Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington! We could have had two strong WR's with Coleman in the slot but it slid through Sasha's fingers. And again, that's going to hurt the team.
Oh, and we still don't have a Franchise QB.
So no, I'm not impressed with the FO so far. Please don't hang their hat on paying $16 M on a second rounder. Tell me how well that works out when Pryor makes the pro bowl next year.
First year as a WR with no QB and Pryor gains over 1000 yards and Sashi let him go? With a 1-16 record? Unacceptable! Sorry, no love here! We can't take one step forward and one step backwards!
Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team. Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington! We could have had two strong WR's with Coleman in the slot but it slid through Sasha's fingers. And again, that's going to hurt the team.
Oh, and we still don't have a Franchise QB.
So no, I'm not impressed with the FO so far. Please don't hang their hat on paying $16 M on a second rounder. Tell me how well that works out when Pryor makes the pro bowl next year.
First year as a WR with no QB and Pryor gains over 1000 yards and Sashi let him go? With a 1-16 record? Unacceptable! Sorry, no love here! We can't take one step forward and one step backwards!
Fair points. I don't know if it it ego...or analytics that said not to keep Schwartz and Pryor at the money it would have taken to keep them. Perhaps a combination of both. But, if it is ego....the owner needs to put a hammer down on that bullshit right fucking now.
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The principle was, that the Browns offer up a really nice contract, and somebody goes elsewhere and won't sign.
That changes things.
A. He really isn't interested in staying, and is only playing musical chairs to up the money.
B. Once that happens, the Browns rightly choose not to play musical chairs.
C. Once a player shows he really couldn't care less about staying, but is all about playing
one team against another, and the other teams won't pony up, the player has established
a market value for himself, and the Browns can go with said market value.
I don't imagine the Browns know what the other team actually offered..but a dishonest player could say
"well, the redskins offered me 18 million a year, will you match that" when it was not true.The original offer was way above board, very generous, to get it done before free agency.
Plain and simple, that offer didn't work, so the Browns aren't holding to the original offer, because
the numbnuts player walked away. His arrogance lost him money. Consequences of greed and arrogance.
The principle was, that the Browns offer up a really nice contract, and somebody goes elsewhere and won't sign.
That changes things.
A. He really isn't interested in staying, and is only playing musical chairs to up the money.
B. Once that happens, the Browns rightly choose not to play musical chairs.
C. Once a player shows he really couldn't care less about staying, but is all about playing
one team against another, and the other teams won't pony up, the player has established
a market value for himself, and the Browns can go with said market value.
I don't imagine the Browns know what the other team actually offered..but a dishonest player could say
"well, the redskins offered me 18 million a year, will you match that" when it was not true.
The original offer was way above board, very generous, to get it done before free agency.
Plain and simple, that offer didn't work, so the Browns aren't holding to the original offer, because
the numbnuts player walked away. His arrogance lost him money. Consequences of greed and arrogance.
Is that a fact....did the Browns offer him more money pre FA period than he eventually signed for? If so...how would we know that?
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
If they make that offer when Pryor comes crawling back to them....I would not let him off the phone/out of the room unless he signs. If he hangs up....offer off the table. If he walks out...offer off the table.
I guess they are playing a bit of hardball. Which may not be bad. For so long the Browns had been a team of "go here and get paid a lot...and relax. You don't have to play hard/work hard. Can you say Dwayne Bowe/Mike Holmgren etc?
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
I have to imagine the only way he doesn't get to compete for the starting job is if we manage to get something for him in a trade.
As of right now the only other options are Kessler and Hoagan...Though I imagine that after the draft there will be a new rookie there somewhere.
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Kessler with our new and improved line is going to be better than anything last year. And of course we are drafting a qb.
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If we haven't traded him by the draft, and we don't draft a QB, I can see a situation where Osweiler sticks around so the team can feel out what they have in him. If you're going to be on the hook for $8m, might as well get something rather than nothing, especially if he offers more as a backup than say Hogan.
April 17th, before the draft, browns can begin offseason activities of some description apparently.
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Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Kessler with our new and improved line is going to be better than anything last year. And of course we are drafting a qb.
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Ghoolie says a lot of things to get people riled, and quite a bit of it is far from humorous, but Brock CockWhistler is laugh out loud funny.
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