Why hasn't this team embraced Osweiler?
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Is the OP really bitching about Sashi not being nice to Brock?
And then following it up with a tantrum about Pryor?
Is this real life?
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What is this the difference between getting a fourth round pick with retained salary or getting nothing and cutting him?
Who cares?
Much more important to communicate to your fan base that you didn't acquire Osweiler to be the answer to the question they've been asking for twenty years.
He's a negative-value asset (as evidenced by the trade). At best, his value could potentially be upgraded to neutral by absorbing salary. Not something as a Browns fan that I'm concerned about.
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
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It's been posted in another thread- our current front office is showing some signs of intelligence. We know what the market is for your talent level, and we're not overpaying. That's why Pryor is gone- overvalued himself by at least a couple million and had to sign an inferior contract with the Redskins. Schwartz wound up signing the same contract he would have gotten with the Browns elsewhere. Gabriel? No one's perfect. Belichick might be wishing he didn't unload Collins- especially if he loses Hightower to the Titans or Jets.
Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team. Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington! We could have had two strong WR's with Coleman in the slot but it slid through Sasha's fingers. And again, that's going to hurt the team.
Oh, and we still don't have a Franchise QB.
So no, I'm not impressed with the FO so far. Please don't hang their hat on paying $16 M on a second rounder. Tell me how well that works out when Pryor makes the pro bowl next year.
First year as a WR with no QB and Pryor gains over 1000 yards and Sashi let him go? With a 1-16 record? Unacceptable! Sorry, no love here! We can't take one step forward and one step backwards!
Seriously? Swartz was willing to come back to the Browns but Sashi pulled the contract. Sounds like Ego > Negotiating Intelligence. That hurt the team. Pryor and Sashi couldn't agree long term - so sign him for a year at $8M ($9M with incentives). But don't let him sign with Washington! We could have had two strong WR's with Coleman in the slot but it slid through Sasha's fingers. And again, that's going to hurt the team.
Oh, and we still don't have a Franchise QB.
So no, I'm not impressed with the FO so far. Please don't hang their hat on paying $16 M on a second rounder. Tell me how well that works out when Pryor makes the pro bowl next year.
First year as a WR with no QB and Pryor gains over 1000 yards and Sashi let him go? With a 1-16 record? Unacceptable! Sorry, no love here! We can't take one step forward and one step backwards!
Fair points. I don't know if it it ego...or analytics that said not to keep Schwartz and Pryor at the money it would have taken to keep them. Perhaps a combination of both. But, if it is ego....the owner needs to put a hammer down on that bullshit right fucking now.
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The principle was, that the Browns offer up a really nice contract, and somebody goes elsewhere and won't sign.
That changes things.
A. He really isn't interested in staying, and is only playing musical chairs to up the money.
B. Once that happens, the Browns rightly choose not to play musical chairs.
C. Once a player shows he really couldn't care less about staying, but is all about playing
one team against another, and the other teams won't pony up, the player has established
a market value for himself, and the Browns can go with said market value.
I don't imagine the Browns know what the other team actually offered..but a dishonest player could say
"well, the redskins offered me 18 million a year, will you match that" when it was not true.The original offer was way above board, very generous, to get it done before free agency.
Plain and simple, that offer didn't work, so the Browns aren't holding to the original offer, because
the numbnuts player walked away. His arrogance lost him money. Consequences of greed and arrogance.
The principle was, that the Browns offer up a really nice contract, and somebody goes elsewhere and won't sign.
That changes things.
A. He really isn't interested in staying, and is only playing musical chairs to up the money.
B. Once that happens, the Browns rightly choose not to play musical chairs.
C. Once a player shows he really couldn't care less about staying, but is all about playing
one team against another, and the other teams won't pony up, the player has established
a market value for himself, and the Browns can go with said market value.
I don't imagine the Browns know what the other team actually offered..but a dishonest player could say
"well, the redskins offered me 18 million a year, will you match that" when it was not true.
The original offer was way above board, very generous, to get it done before free agency.
Plain and simple, that offer didn't work, so the Browns aren't holding to the original offer, because
the numbnuts player walked away. His arrogance lost him money. Consequences of greed and arrogance.
Is that a fact....did the Browns offer him more money pre FA period than he eventually signed for? If so...how would we know that?
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
If they make that offer when Pryor comes crawling back to them....I would not let him off the phone/out of the room unless he signs. If he hangs up....offer off the table. If he walks out...offer off the table.
I guess they are playing a bit of hardball. Which may not be bad. For so long the Browns had been a team of "go here and get paid a lot...and relax. You don't have to play hard/work hard. Can you say Dwayne Bowe/Mike Holmgren etc?
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
I have to imagine the only way he doesn't get to compete for the starting job is if we manage to get something for him in a trade.
As of right now the only other options are Kessler and Hoagan...Though I imagine that after the draft there will be a new rookie there somewhere.
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Everyone knows Brock sucks. Us pretending we want him as our QB, when we very clearly don't,won't change that.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Kessler with our new and improved line is going to be better than anything last year. And of course we are drafting a qb.
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If we haven't traded him by the draft, and we don't draft a QB, I can see a situation where Osweiler sticks around so the team can feel out what they have in him. If you're going to be on the hook for $8m, might as well get something rather than nothing, especially if he offers more as a backup than say Hogan.
April 17th, before the draft, browns can begin offseason activities of some description apparently.
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Except...now, perhaps the Browns may indeed want him to compete for the starter job.
No worse than having RGIII, Josh McCown, Kessler try to compete.
Kessler with our new and improved line is going to be better than anything last year. And of course we are drafting a qb.
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Ghoolie says a lot of things to get people riled, and quite a bit of it is far from humorous, but Brock CockWhistler is laugh out loud funny.
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
What you're saying is that we don't really know the whole truth. Fair enough. Maybe it didn't go down as reported. I'm just having problems understanding paying $16 m for a second round draft choice and then letting a talent like Pryor leave. I think Sashi is going to regret his inability to sign TP.
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@ghoolie said:
THIS is another example of why I am wrong about Hue, and the Browns. Look at the great position we are in.
1) We have no QB
2) We have Brock Ostink
3) He doesn't want to play here
4) It doesn't look like we will find a trade and will be stuck with him
5) Hue will fall in love with him, and he will be our starter.
Wow, this fucking Moneyball shit is really impressive. Seriously, is your cunt juice dripping onto your taint yet? Just sit back and savor this...........if we continue to do shit like this.............we actually have get Brock CockWhistler as our QB. WOW.................this is some exciting shit, I'm telling ya.
LMAO - oh Lord, I needed a good laugh today. Thank you so much!
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Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
What you're saying is that we don't really know the whole truth. Fair enough. Maybe it didn't go down as reported. I'm just having problems understanding paying $16 m for a second round draft choice and then letting a talent like Pryor leave. I think Sashi is going to regret his inability to sign TP.
What you're saying is that we don't really know the whole truth. Fair enough. Maybe it didn't go down as reported. I'm just having problems understanding paying $16 m for a second round draft choice and then letting a talent like Pryor leave. I think Sashi is going to regret his inability to sign TP.
16 million is nothing to a team with this much cap space. And TP was offered a much better deal than what he signed for. You can't blame Browns for him being greedy.
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@ghoolie said:
Hey Larry, what I have enjoyed about your posts over the years is that you always make an argument for how a Browns failure is actually a good thing, and is really a win. Sorry dude, 100 million of cap space and you can't bring Gordon and Pryor to the show? Horrible FO, horrible organization.
Gordon, we don't know about- yet. The Commish has to let him back into the league. He should, because the last couple violations were ticky-tack. Gordon, assuming he plays this year is going to be dirt cheap, because he's still on his rookie contract. He puts in a studly year in 2017, he's going to get paid- like Antonio Brown, speaking of-
Regarding Pryor. You do know his agent Rosenhaus is one of biggest a-hole agents out there, right? Drew fleeced the Steelers for a huge contract for Antonio Brown. at an average of $17 million a year. It's what agents are supposed to do, get their clients the most money possible. So Drew got a fat head and thought if Brown is worth $17 million, Pryor has got to be worth at least $12, right? WRONG. Ha, the Browns and every other team in the NFL didn't think he was worth that. Sure, he's talented, but he wanted top 10 wr salary after one decent, not great year. Brown has had several, so there's a big difference there. Could we have paid what he was asking? Hell yes, but it would have set a bad precedent. Every other player on the team when their contracts were up would probably have wanted 50% more than the market rate. That $100 million in cap room would have disappeared in a big hurry,
Tom, this Front office is not being cheap- if they think the player is worth it. They gave two of your favorite fatass whipping boys huge contracts and extensions, because they were worth it in being the best at what they do. All that unused cap money will have to be spent- eventually. We did spent some of it on Ostrich, to buy a second round pick. Whether they will use it wisely is another discussion. The FO has decided now is not the time to blow wads of the cap, or would you rather be like the Patriots who had to gift Collins to us because they didn't have enough cap room? And aren't exactly being sentimental with their Pro-Bowl linebacker Donta Hightower, letting him test the FA market because they don't want to overpay him. Seems like Sashi and DePo are taking a page out of Bellichick's playbook.
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Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
What you're saying is that we don't really know the whole truth. Fair enough. Maybe it didn't go down as reported. I'm just having problems understanding paying $16 m for a second round draft choice and then letting a talent like Pryor leave. I think Sashi is going to regret his inability to sign TP.
What you're saying is that we don't really know the whole truth. Fair enough. Maybe it didn't go down as reported. I'm just having problems understanding paying $16 m for a second round draft choice and then letting a talent like Pryor leave. I think Sashi is going to regret his inability to sign TP.
Difference is Brock is not in the long term plans, Pryor wanted to get (over)paid after one decent year.
16 million is nothing to a team with this much cap space. And TP was offered a much better deal than what he signed for. You can't blame Browns for him being greedy.
^^^This.....
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What you're saying is that we don't really know the whole truth. Fair enough. Maybe it didn't go down as reported. I'm just having problems understanding paying $16 m for a second round draft choice and then letting a talent like Pryor leave. I think Sashi is going to regret his inability to sign TP.
Difference is Brock is not in the long term plans, Pryor wanted to get (over)paid after one decent year.
16 million is nothing to a team with this much cap space. And TP was offered a much better deal than what he signed for. You can't blame Browns for him being greedy.
^^^This.....
Difference is Brock is not in the long term plans, Pryor wanted to get (over)paid after one decent year.
^^^This.....
You guys are letting the Browns off the hook to easily. The big boss (Haslam) said signing Pryor is a top priority (as is Collins, as is finding a franchise QB). They offer Pryor a long term contract at $8M/yr. Pryor's agent wants more and tests the market. He can't get it so decides he wants a one year deal. The Redskins offer one year $6M + incentives. The Browns walk away from the table. With all that cap room and an opportunity to sign Pryor for a year (at less money), the Browns FAIL to achieve their objective. Bottom line - no F'n stories or excuses.
Now what should Haslam do if the team doesn't find its QB, Pryor makes the Pro-Bowl with a fantastic season, and the Browns go 2-13? I can tell you what he should do! We're not talking about "could do" or "can do". This is "must do" stuff. Find a QB, build a team that can compete every year, keep your star players. Stop dicking with $16 M draft choices because that's not on the list. Keeping Pryor was on the list and they couldn't find a way to make it happen. Well they could, but they decided not to reach an agreement while preferring to pay $16 M for a second rounder while creating a stir around what to do with BO.
Someone on this board made reference to the FO acting like the Patriots. When the Browns win the way the Patriots do, then we can give them the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, the comment is laughable at best. Again, I'm on record as saying their recent decisions are headscratchers and maybe they will prove the doubters wrong. I hope you are right. Go Browns!
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Terrelle Pryor gave the Browns a chance after Redskins offer afterall, source says
Can I swear now? #*%# /$&/@&$!!!!
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
Regarding Pryor or Schwartz, we don't know what exactly went down in the negotiations. Yeah, possible Pryor came crawling back looking for a one year deal after he figured out Rosenhaus was blowing smoke up his ass about how much he could get him. Is it so terrible the Browns may have said to him- hey, we offered you a very fair deal- more than you found out you could get on the open market. We're not interested in a one year deal, we want you here for the next four. Pryor says nope- I'll go elsewhere and prove I'm worth top 10 wr money in 2018. Browns say good bye and good luck.
It's pretty obvious Sashi and DePo don't like being involved in a bidding war against another team. LOL, for all you know- should the Browns have relented and said OK, one year $8 million, what was to prevent Pryor from running back to Washington before he signed it, and saying- hey here's what Cleveland is offering, can you top that? That might just have been what happened with Schwartz too.
A reasonable scenario, h...
I keep going back to the fact that this time with Pryor the timeline is very clear and says that Britt "took" Pryor's roster spot. I think time was a bigger factor than any "bidding war."
Best I can reconstruct the Schwartz situation there's similar "timing" with Pasztor coming into the picture. Paz's was not a UFA signing, but a minimum RFA tender. However, with right-of-first-refusal in play, he was as good as signed.
The tender was offered to Paz on Mar 7, 2016. Schwartz signed with the Chiefs Mar 9.
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Yeah, we Schwartzed Pryor. Thing is, I keep looking at our shiny new interior OL, then noticing a big old hole at RT, and thinking "I wish we hadn't Schwartzed Schwartz" because *that* OL would be beastly. And who knows, Mitch may even have had the ability to flip over and take the LT spot when Joe Tackle retired.
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