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  • I agree Tour and he's still Dak 2.0. 😁

  • T TexasAg1969

    I agree Tour and he's still Dak 2.0. 😁

    @texasag1969 said:

    I agree Tour and he's still Dak 2.0. 😁

    Wah? Watson is Dak 2.0? That kinda rambling will cost you your Dak Fan Club Charter Member status...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    T 1 Reply

  • I still like Trubisky, Watson and Peterman.

    In that order and none of the other guys.

  • I cycled through about 5 different post combine mocks today, and almost all of them had Watson as the first QB selected, either by the Jets or the Browns. I think there was only one mock that had the Jets taking Trubisky as the first QB off the board. In that mock, the reference was a tweet from Allbright (the author of the spreadsheet referenced above) who asserted that the Jets want Trubisky. In all of the mocks, Kizer ended up with the Texans at 25, except one which had the Texans selecting Kizer at 57. Also, it appears that Mahomes is now being considered either the 2nd or 3rd QB, as a majority of the mocks had him going in the early teens, commonly to the Cardinals, once to the Saints at 32.

    One of the write-ups expresses how impressed teams were with Watson's interview process. There was an anonymous nfl official cited who went as far to say that Deshaun was as impressive as any prospect he had ever met with, including Peyton Manning. If all of that is true, that's the kind of report that would take a little bit of the sting off of a Watson selection at 12. While I'd still prefer to take a chance that one of the top 4 Qbs will fall out of the first round completely. I know Kizer isn't very popular around here, but I'd still much rather have Kizer in the 2nd, than any of the others in the first.

  • lol... this time of year you can and will find every evaluation/opinion on every player possible... excepting the select few, "elite" prospects.

    List those about which you've not heard a dissenting opinion...

    • Myles Garrett
    • Jamal Adams
    • Marshon Latimore

    Am I missing anyone?

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    chocoC The GipperT 2 Replies

  • Solomon Thomas is shaping up as a close to consensus #2 pick after the combine.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    lol... this time of year you can and will find every evaluation/opinion on every player possible... excepting the select few, "elite" prospects.

    List those about which you've not heard a dissenting opinion...

    • Myles Garrett
    • Jamal Adams
    • Marshon Latimore

    Am I missing anyone?

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... this time of year you can and will find every evaluation/opinion on every player possible... excepting the select few, "elite" prospects.

    List those about which you've not heard a dissenting opinion...

    • Myles Garrett
    • Jamal Adams
    • Marshon Latimore
    Am I missing anyone?
    Even lattinore came in heavy...Called it water weight.
    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @texasag1969 said:

    I agree Tour and he's still Dak 2.0. 😁

    Wah? Watson is Dak 2.0? That kinda rambling will cost you your Dak Fan Club Charter Member status...

    @tour2ma said:

    Wah? Watson is Dak 2.0? That kinda rambling will cost you your Dak Fan Club Charter Member status...

    LOL! So you are afraid to jump on the Watson train this year huh? Leaving the station soon. He may not be great but he will be better than the rest in this draft. Guy is a winner in the clutch. The rest of them cave.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply
  • chocoC choco

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... this time of year you can and will find every evaluation/opinion on every player possible... excepting the select few, "elite" prospects.

    List those about which you've not heard a dissenting opinion...

    • Myles Garrett
    • Jamal Adams
    • Marshon Latimore
    Am I missing anyone?
    Even lattinore came in heavy...Called it water weight.

    @choco said:

    Even lattinore came in heavy...Called it water weight.

    OK... sub Solomon for Marshon and call it "point made"...

    Seems extra crazy this year. I'm not sure I'm going to make it draft day before my head explodes...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
    chocoC 1 Reply
  • T TexasAg1969

    @tour2ma said:

    Wah? Watson is Dak 2.0? That kinda rambling will cost you your Dak Fan Club Charter Member status...

    LOL! So you are afraid to jump on the Watson train this year huh? Leaving the station soon. He may not be great but he will be better than the rest in this draft. Guy is a winner in the clutch. The rest of them cave.

    @texasag1969 said:

    LOL! So you are afraid to jump on the Watson train this year huh? Leaving the station soon. He may not be great but he will be better than the rest in this draft. Guy is a winner in the clutch. The rest of them cave.

    lol... different stories was my point.

    Dak started low and did nothing but rise as far as everything football was concerned. Only hiccup was the non-football, DUI thing which... being so far out of character... was easy for me to dismiss.

    Watson on the other hand's been a fuckin' yo-yo...

    Like him early in the season... then not so much... then he closed strong and had a great Combine... now he can't throw the ball thru tissue paper...

    He's just too damn hard to like... let alone love.

    Plus it's hard to be a dark-horse when you start with a 1st-round grade...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I still can't see a first round or even 2nd if his accurate velocity is truly 49 mph. If in over 10 years Tyrod and Glennon are the only noodle arms at 49 I think you have to pass. He may be cerebral as hell but that may mean he's a coach.

  • OK Tour-I got it. But I liked Dak before he slipped into the 4th because of the DUI. He might have been a pale horse who dropped into dark horse territory. Watson is just the only QB I see who has a chance to be one of those really good starters. The rest I see as either less talented or, even worse, chokers. So he's the only horse I can find in this race this year.

  • Here's what I wonder: Did Watson even know about this velocity metric? Was he throwing as hard as he normally does, or was he just tuning it down to ensure accuracy to receivers he's never thrown to before? I mean, he had to know this was being measured, right? Wouldn't surprise me to see this being measured at his pro day, and wouldn't surprise me if he throws much harder. I don't remember Watson ever having a "gun", but I also don't remember his power being an issue either.

    Edit: I just watched some highlights of Watson, and while I understand "highlights" aren't exactly a good representation of a player's ability, the film did at least show multiple throws with plenty of zip. Obviously I don't have a radar gun app for Youtube, but I can tell you the arm definitely passes the "eye test". Conversely, I did notice several throws that Watson kind of "lollypops" up in the air, but these were deep throws that enabled his receiver to get underneath. Whenever I saw a throw over the middle, the ball got there promptly.

    bbedwardB Tour2maT 2 Replies
  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    Here's what I wonder: Did Watson even know about this velocity metric? Was he throwing as hard as he normally does, or was he just tuning it down to ensure accuracy to receivers he's never thrown to before? I mean, he had to know this was being measured, right? Wouldn't surprise me to see this being measured at his pro day, and wouldn't surprise me if he throws much harder. I don't remember Watson ever having a "gun", but I also don't remember his power being an issue either.

    Edit: I just watched some highlights of Watson, and while I understand "highlights" aren't exactly a good representation of a player's ability, the film did at least show multiple throws with plenty of zip. Obviously I don't have a radar gun app for Youtube, but I can tell you the arm definitely passes the "eye test". Conversely, I did notice several throws that Watson kind of "lollypops" up in the air, but these were deep throws that enabled his receiver to get underneath. Whenever I saw a throw over the middle, the ball got there promptly.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Here's what I wonder: Did Watson even know about this velocity metric? Was he throwing as hard as he normally does, or was he just tuning it down to ensure accuracy to receivers he's never thrown to before? I mean, he had to know this was being measured, right? Wouldn't surprise me to see this being measured at his pro day, and wouldn't surprise me if he throws much harder. I don't remember Watson ever having a "gun", but I also don't remember his power being an issue either.

    I'd say it's pretty much guaranteed that he knew it was measured, I'm also sure concerned teams will do their own measurement when they bring him in for a visit

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    lol... this time of year you can and will find every evaluation/opinion on every player possible... excepting the select few, "elite" prospects.

    List those about which you've not heard a dissenting opinion...

    • Myles Garrett
    • Jamal Adams
    • Marshon Latimore

    Am I missing anyone?

    @tour2ma said:

    lol... this time of year you can and will find every evaluation/opinion on every player possible... excepting the select few, "elite" prospects.

    List those about which you've not heard a dissenting opinion...

    • Myles Garrett
    • Jamal Adams
    • Marshon Latimore

    Am I missing anyone?

    WTF are you talking about...never heard a dissenting opinion on Garrett? You have read a few of my posts. Even ignoring the QB situation.....there is still a chance that Allen may be as stout as Garrett...and fill a greater need for the Browns. Plus there was the comparison between Garrett and Barnett. Statistically Barnett has had an equal or better college career.

  • It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees. 😛

  • T TexasAg1969

    It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees. 😛

    @texasag1969 said:

    It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees. 😛

    I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @texasag1969 said:

    It's obvious he is not talking about you in the list of opinions, just people who do it for a living.. Gees. 😛

    I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.

    @the-gipper said:

    I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.

    Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike. 😆

  • T TexasAg1969

    @the-gipper said:

    I know....the Gays for Gayrett club will be out in full force whinging if anything whatsoever is said about your boy that is not pure worshipful adoration.

    Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike. 😆

    @texasag1969 said:

    Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike. 😆

    Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.

    From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @texasag1969 said:

    Ah, Trump jr. deflects from the issue as to whom Tour was referring. Nice try Donnie. Almost lawyerlike. 😆

    Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.

    From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?

    Unfortunately yes

    @the-gipper said:

    Boy you are so far off if you think I have any remote inkling toward #45. And it is of no consequence as to whom he was referring. We have already been well aware that "professionals" have no greater clue about things than any of us here do.

    From the way the Browns have drafted over the years that is pretty conclusive...fair to say?

    .

    Unfortunately yes, that is fair to say Gip. Just pulling on your tail this morning. And where the hell is Tour? He's been up to make a pick now for about 5 hours and remains offline. Very strange since he has been staying up regularly with the Browns draft board.

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