Watson Undraftable
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Here's what I wonder: Did Watson even know about this velocity metric? Was he throwing as hard as he normally does, or was he just tuning it down to ensure accuracy to receivers he's never thrown to before? I mean, he had to know this was being measured, right? Wouldn't surprise me to see this being measured at his pro day, and wouldn't surprise me if he throws much harder. I don't remember Watson ever having a "gun", but I also don't remember his power being an issue either.
Edit: I just watched some highlights of Watson, and while I understand "highlights" aren't exactly a good representation of a player's ability, the film did at least show multiple throws with plenty of zip. Obviously I don't have a radar gun app for Youtube, but I can tell you the arm definitely passes the "eye test". Conversely, I did notice several throws that Watson kind of "lollypops" up in the air, but these were deep throws that enabled his receiver to get underneath. Whenever I saw a throw over the middle, the ball got there promptly.
Edit: I just watched some highlights of Watson, and while I understand "highlights" aren't exactly a good representation of a player's ability, the film did at least show multiple throws with plenty of zip. Obviously I don't have a radar gun app for Youtube, but I can tell you the arm definitely passes the "eye test". Conversely, I did notice several throws that Watson kind of "lollypops" up in the air, but these were deep throws that enabled his receiver to get underneath. Whenever I saw a throw over the middle, the ball got there promptly.
Deep lollypops take arm strength, too. Strength is not necessarily the same thing as velocity (quick twitch vs. slow twitch), but if I had to pick between them, then I think I go for strength.
I wonder what Watson's effective range is... certainly 50-yds... probably 55... 60?
The other warning sign would be at what distance does his accuracy start to fall apart. Straining for distance (or velocity) hurts accuracy.
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Got interested in Dobbs' velocity and found this story. If you do the math, Dobbs is at least capable of 54mph haha. Might have only been on one play.
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Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
https://twitter.com/nfldraftscout/status/842424217136164865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Matt Millers take
"Hearing a lot of inconsistent comments from scouts at the Clemson pro day on Watson. Think it depends on if you liked him prior"
Matt Miller@nfldraftscoutHearing a lot of inconsistent comments from scouts at the Clemson pro day on Watson. Think it depends on if you liked him prior -
Seems about right...
Daniel JeremiahβVerified account @MoveTheSticks
Scout at Clemson on Watson's day: Average day. Inconsistent timing/placement...solid on deep ball. It was a B-/C+ type workout.
https://twitter.com/movethesticks/status/842402207060262912
Daniel Jeremiah@MoveTheSticksScout at Clemson on Watson's day:
Average day. Inconsistent timing/placement...solid on deep ball. It was a B-/C+ type workout. -
Once heard that Manziel's proday was one of the best ever seen.
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Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
Watson received mixed reviews for his pro day throwing session.
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said on the air Watson had a "very impressive workout."
NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah tweeted that a scout at Clemson's pro day told him Watson's timing and placement were inconsistent but his deep throws were solid.
"It was a B-/C+ type workout," the scout told Jeremiah.
Watson completed 54-of-62 passes, according to the Associated Press. He also took snaps under center, something he'll need to adjust to in the NFL after operating out of the shotgun in Clemson's spread offense.
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Word out of Clemson's Pro-Day is Watson killed it...
Here's Mayock's report:
Some year this QB shit will be easy for us, but ain't looking like it'll be 2017...
Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
Watson received mixed reviews for his pro day throwing session.
NFL Network analyst Mike Mayock said on the air Watson had a "very impressive workout."
NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah tweeted that a scout at Clemson's pro day told him Watson's timing and placement were inconsistent but his deep throws were solid.
"It was a B-/C+ type workout," the scout told Jeremiah.
Watson completed 54-of-62 passes, according to the Associated Press. He also took snaps under center, something he'll need to adjust to in the NFL after operating out of the shotgun in Clemson's spread offense.
Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....so Id expect many ho hum reports to be forth coming.....
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Word is that others didn't think it was all that and a bag of chips. From the Akron Beacon Journal:
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....so Id expect many ho hum reports to be forth coming.....
I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....
Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?
Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."
We almost took Akili Smith so we could speak fluent trailer park Shakespeare in Cleveland. Instead, we drafted Tim Couch without a willingness to make Cleveland an easier place to play QB. Poor Alex Smith had to feel like a serial coach killer for about 4-5 years before former NFL QB Jim Harbaugh showed up with an understanding of what was needed to increase Alex's passer ratings up into the 90s. Like last year or in 2014, sometimes it's just better to see what's available at QB after round 1. The priority should be to make this an easier place to play QB.
For example, when we choose to kick off first - it might be a good idea to have enough talent on defense to prevent us from being down 7-0 just 2 minutes later. Go get em Kess! "Kess, am I holding up 1 or 2 fingers?" 4. "Close, you're doing great kid. Where are you?" I think I just took on ISIS without any binoculars, bullets or protection. "Thatta boy - you're still breathing kid. You remind us of Colt McCoy. You'll be ready to get right back out there in a play or 2."
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I doubt any of them will be all that or a bag a chips.......a well below average group of prospects.....
Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?
Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."
We almost took Akili Smith so we could speak fluent trailer park Shakespeare in Cleveland. Instead, we drafted Tim Couch without a willingness to make Cleveland an easier place to play QB. Poor Alex Smith had to feel like a serial coach killer for about 4-5 years before former NFL QB Jim Harbaugh showed up with an understanding of what was needed to increase Alex's passer ratings up into the 90s. Like last year or in 2014, sometimes it's just better to see what's available at QB after round 1. The priority should be to make this an easier place to play QB.
For example, when we choose to kick off first - it might be a good idea to have enough talent on defense to prevent us from being down 7-0 just 2 minutes later. Go get em Kess! "Kess, am I holding up 1 or 2 fingers?" 4. "Close, you're doing great kid. Where are you?" I think I just took on ISIS without any binoculars, bullets or protection. "Thatta boy - you're still breathing kid. You remind us of Colt McCoy. You'll be ready to get right back out there in a play or 2."
Agreed! No matter how ugly a QB class is, there's always beneficiaries getting drafted way up ahead of where they should go.Right Jamarcus? Jamarcus?
Heaven help me, I'm about to quote Mel Kiper but blind squirrel finds this nut with - "beware late/last minute risers."
Damn straight....beware last minute risers.............add to that : beware drafting shitty QB's because you're desperate.....
Just saying......we all need a great QB to win......but just picking one because you're hard up does not resolve the need.....
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It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
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It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
exactly.....
and then you marry the 6 and go out into the world and realize what a dog she really is......especially when you see her matched up against everyone else with their 10....
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thats kinda the point of this thread lol not drafting a 6
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thats kinda the point of this thread lol not drafting a 6
thats kinda the point of this thread lol not drafting a 6
I hope the FO reads it then....
Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....
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It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
It's like having not so good looking girls at a high school dance. the okay looking one looks like a 10 when she is a 6. Everyone wants to dance with the 6.
Some of you hear would pass up Gina Lollabrigida because your brains want to tell you that she looked like Phyllis Diller.
(now...you gotta be old school for this reference)
To translate...what you think may be a 6 could turn out to be a 10. And what you think is a 10 could turn out to be a 4.
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thats kinda the point of this thread lol not drafting a 6
I hope the FO reads it then....
Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....
I hope the FO reads it then....
Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....
wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time...
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I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.
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I hope the FO reads it then....
Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....
wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time...
I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.
wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time...
I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.
Yep. I'm excited to see what happens with Williams as DC.
Mike
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I hope the FO reads it then....
Cause we have a roster FULL of 6's.....drafted a bunch last year too.....
wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time...
I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.
wow Mud your usually the voice of reason on giving rookies more time...
I still find it difficult to judge our defensive talent based on how BADLY our defense was coached. But there were flashes that i think a competent coach can capitalize on. Hue also performed poorly as well but hopefully with this co-coaching situation they seemed to have set up he can refocus his efforts on the whole of the offense and not just on RG3 lol.
Im happy to give them time....and hope some will emerge.....even with poor coaching, talent shows with great players.....collins and Kirksey shined....so you can see players when theyre there...
So...here's a lil rant on that.....consider it a happy rant tho....
I wish we could stop blaming terrible play on the coaching scheme year after year.....talent wins...and we are short on talent
I always base my comments on what I "see".....so if a guy plays GREAT...I say "he plays great".....and if a guy does nothing or plays poorly, I say "he did nothing and played poorly".....
And, unfortunately, many folks here take that observation and turn it in to "mud says this guy sucks and will never be a good player"....when Ive really only said Ive seen nothing yet.....
And I do the same with the draft.....every year there are a NUMBER of players selected who stand out and are stars from day one......and there nare many many players who start and play WELL from day one.....
So, when our picks are devoid of those performances....and we dont get the star(ever).....and barely get a starter or 2?......then I consider what "i see" to be not impressive.......ESPECIALLY when our team had a RECORD 14 PICKS.....
So....yeah Ill wait....give it time.....and I have never "condemned" this draft,....Ive just said there is nothing there(yet) thats says "good to great" draft(and there usually is with most "great" drafts)......
no stars, no stand outs, dominant, flashy or all pro's....and with #2 and 13 others, I expected some of that<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
so, while "waiting" for those players to arrive(story of our lives guys...right?)...Ima grade based upon performance , what I see....the tangible.....
And....so far.....just waiting....(not condemning)
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