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    Browns' Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown skip Deshaun Watson's Pro Day but will conduct private workout with him

    By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com on March 16, 2017 at 1:05 PM, updated March 16, 2017 at 7:41 PM

    CLEVELAND, Ohio - Browns coach Hue Jackson and Executive Vice President of Football Operations Sashi Brown skipped Deshaun Watson's Pro Day at Clemson today because they'll have a private workout and visit with him, league sources told cleveland.com.

    http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/browns_hue_jackson_and_sashi_b.html

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    @tour2ma said:

    Browns' Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown skip Deshaun Watson's Pro Day

    They were busy grilling burgers at Ray Farmer's house.

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      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by The Gipper
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      Maybe "analytics" says that a guy that can only must 49 mph on his "fastball" is a guy to cross off the team's list of potential draft candidates?

      Just speculation...but could this be the case? These guys are slaves to their numbers, so if a player doesn't have the right numbers...they can get XXXXed out.

      Fair to say?

      On the other hand, I feel that they should have gone to the Pro Day in order to check out Carlos Watkins, a DT I could see Browns taking perhaps in round 2 or with #65. Perhaps Browns did have a "Defensive Guy" there to check him out.

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        Maybe "analytics" says that a guy that can only must 49 mph on his "fastball" is a guy to cross off the team's list of potential draft candidates?

        Just speculation...but could this be the case? These guys are slaves to their numbers, so if a player doesn't have the right numbers...they can get XXXXed out.

        Fair to say?

        On the other hand, I feel that they should have gone to the Pro Day in order to check out Carlos Watkins, a DT I could see Browns taking perhaps in round 2 or with #65. Perhaps Browns did have a "Defensive Guy" there to check him out.

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        @the-gipper said:

        Maybe "analytics" says that a guy that can only must 49 mph on his "fastball" is a guy to cross off the team's list of potential draft candidates?

        Just speculation...but could this be the case? These guys are slaves to their numbers, so if a player doesn't have the right numbers...they can get XXXXed out.

        Fair to say?

        On the other hand, I feel that they should have gone to the Pro Day in order to check out Carlos Watkins, a DT I could see Browns taking perhaps in round 2 or with #65. Perhaps Browns did have a "Defensive Guy" there to check him out.

        They probably just put a lot more value into private workouts.

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          @the-gipper said:

          Maybe "analytics" says that a guy that can only must 49 mph on his "fastball" is a guy to cross off the team's list of potential draft candidates?

          Just speculation...but could this be the case? These guys are slaves to their numbers, so if a player doesn't have the right numbers...they can get XXXXed out.

          Fair to say?

          On the other hand, I feel that they should have gone to the Pro Day in order to check out Carlos Watkins, a DT I could see Browns taking perhaps in round 2 or with #65. Perhaps Browns did have a "Defensive Guy" there to check him out.

          They probably just put a lot more value into private workouts.

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @bbedward said:

          They probably just put a lot more value into private workouts.

          Almost certainly. As someone on the TV said last night....at a college Pro Day, the player...QB or whatever, himself chooses the kind of workout he does, and they do thing to make themselves look good.......but in a team's private workout it it the TEAM that chooses the tasks that they want the player to perform, not the player.

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            Browns skipped Manziel's pro day too.... we all know how that turned out.... ugh.

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              Browns skipped Manziel's pro day too.... we all know how that turned out.... ugh.

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              @hx214 said:

              Browns skipped Manziel's pro day too.... we all know how that turned out.... ugh.

              FO & coach knew what they were doing there......too bad Jimmah reigned in the draft room....

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                MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

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                • MudflyM Mudfly

                  In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                  So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                  Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                  Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

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                  LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                  @mudfly said:

                  In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                  So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                  Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                  Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

                  I heard that all 32 teams had scouts at their pro day. So I guess it just wasn't Hue and Sashi.

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                    @mudfly said:

                    In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                    So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                    Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                    Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

                    I heard that all 32 teams had scouts at their pro day. So I guess it just wasn't Hue and Sashi.

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                    @logicisforsquares said:

                    I heard that all 32 teams had scouts at their pro day. So I guess it just wasn't Hue and Sashi.

                    Ill accept that....

                    Dont think Hue or Sashi know how to ID talent anyway.....lets leave that to the real scouts

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                      @logicisforsquares said:

                      I heard that all 32 teams had scouts at their pro day. So I guess it just wasn't Hue and Sashi.

                      Ill accept that....

                      Dont think Hue or Sashi know how to ID talent anyway.....lets leave that to the real scouts

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                      LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                      @mudfly said:

                      Ill accept that....

                      Dont think Hue or Sashi know how to ID talent anyway.....lets leave that to the real scouts

                      Sashi is a peanut counter so I don't know why he would even be there.

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                        @mudfly said:

                        Ill accept that....

                        Dont think Hue or Sashi know how to ID talent anyway.....lets leave that to the real scouts

                        Sashi is a peanut counter so I don't know why he would even be there.

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                        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                        @logicisforsquares said:

                        Sashi is a peanut counter so I don't know why he would even be there.

                        Or anywhere that has to do with assessing talent.........oh, wait......

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                        • MudflyM Mudfly

                          In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                          So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                          Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                          Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

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                          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                          @mudfly said:

                          In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                          So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                          Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                          Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

                          Who said they didn't see it? A. They have access to THE most important data set: the film. B. They likely sent someone else...a trusted scout to see these other guys. C. As noted...they would prefer to trust the results of a workout that THEY design...one suited to THEIR purposes...not one suited to the players purposes.

                          I personally think that Watkins could be a choice they could go for in round 2...and I am sure they had a defensive coach/scout checking him oot

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                            @logicisforsquares said:

                            Sashi is a peanut counter so I don't know why he would even be there.

                            Or anywhere that has to do with assessing talent.........oh, wait......

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                            LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                            @mudfly said:

                            Or anywhere that has to do with assessing talent.........oh, wait......

                            Step off the ledge, Ghoolie.

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                              @mudfly said:

                              Or anywhere that has to do with assessing talent.........oh, wait......

                              Step off the ledge, Ghoolie.

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                              MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                              @logicisforsquares said:

                              Step off the ledge, Ghoolie.

                              Dont call me that.....I attack bad moves,the FO, coaching and poor play.............. not other posters.....

                              @the-gipper said:

                              Who said they didn't see it? A. They have access to THE most important data set: the film. B. They likely sent someone else...a trusted scout to see these other guys. C. As noted...they would prefer to trust the results of a workout that THEY design...one suited to THEIR purposes...not one suited to the players purposes.

                              I personally think that Watkins could be a choice they could go for in round 2...and I am sure they had a defensive coach/scout checking him oo

                              Another Gip post....Blah blah blah blah.....you give the FO WAY more cred than I do.....and you never read before you "blah"....

                              I already stood corrected...

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                                @logicisforsquares said:

                                Step off the ledge, Ghoolie.

                                Dont call me that.....I attack bad moves,the FO, coaching and poor play.............. not other posters.....

                                @the-gipper said:

                                Who said they didn't see it? A. They have access to THE most important data set: the film. B. They likely sent someone else...a trusted scout to see these other guys. C. As noted...they would prefer to trust the results of a workout that THEY design...one suited to THEIR purposes...not one suited to the players purposes.

                                I personally think that Watkins could be a choice they could go for in round 2...and I am sure they had a defensive coach/scout checking him oo

                                Another Gip post....Blah blah blah blah.....you give the FO WAY more cred than I do.....and you never read before you "blah"....

                                I already stood corrected...

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                                @mudfly said:

                                Dont call me that.....I attack bad moves,the FO, coaching and poor play.............. not other posters.....

                                Another Gip post....Blah blah blah blah.....you give the FO WAY more cred than I do.....and you never read before you "blah"....

                                I already stood corrected...

                                Its true....I DO NOT read every post in a thread before I respond to any post in a thread....do YOU? If you don't, then you have no reason to gripe about the fact that I may have made the same observation as someone else.

                                Other people can have their say, I can have my say. If we just so happen to say basically the same thing...then you will just have to deal with redundant corrective measures. You will live...and you don't have to cry about it.

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                                  @mudfly said:

                                  Dont call me that.....I attack bad moves,the FO, coaching and poor play.............. not other posters.....

                                  Another Gip post....Blah blah blah blah.....you give the FO WAY more cred than I do.....and you never read before you "blah"....

                                  I already stood corrected...

                                  Its true....I DO NOT read every post in a thread before I respond to any post in a thread....do YOU? If you don't, then you have no reason to gripe about the fact that I may have made the same observation as someone else.

                                  Other people can have their say, I can have my say. If we just so happen to say basically the same thing...then you will just have to deal with redundant corrective measures. You will live...and you don't have to cry about it.

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                                  MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                                  @the-gipper said:

                                  Its true....I DO NOT read every post in a thread before I respond to any post in a thread....do YOU?

                                  When its only one page?.....usually....

                                  Other people can have their say, I can have my say.

                                  I never said(or implied) otherwise...

                                  .then you will just have to deal with redundant....

                                  There it is....

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                                  • MudflyM Mudfly

                                    In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                                    So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                                    Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                                    Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

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                                    hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                                    @mudfly said:

                                    In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                                    So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                                    Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                                    Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

                                    Yup Mud with Pryor gone, I could see interest in Williams @ #12, if we're not drafting a QB there.

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                                      @mudfly said:

                                      In more serious news.....Clemson has a hell of a lot more players than that QB guy.....and we need some....

                                      So it makes me nervous that Clemson isnt worth the trip.....of all schools, how many have a.....

                                      Mike Williams.....Carlos Watkins......D. Watson.....Tankersley....and Leggett....

                                      Thats a lot of talent we didnt want to see......

                                      Yup Mud with Pryor gone, I could see interest in Williams @ #12, if we're not drafting a QB there.

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                                      MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                                      @hoorta said:

                                      Yup Mud with Pryor gone, I could see interest in Williams @ #12, if we're not drafting a QB there.

                                      I was thinking this....and kind of like Williams....and, for a moment, thought he'd be an option for us....

                                      Then I realized Im one of those guys who hates WR in the first.....and thought about WR in the first 2 years in a row?......following a year we drafted 4?.....

                                      Then I took a deep breathe and shook that thought right outta my brain.....

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                                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                        'Bout time y'all figured out Sashi is not the talent evaluator....

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                                          'Bout time y'all figured out Sashi is not the talent evaluator....

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                                          @tour2ma said:

                                          'Bout time y'all figured out Sashi is not the A talent evaluator....

                                          fify

                                          There is no "the evaluator" in our FO......top 2 guys aren't even football guys......

                                          What happens when the evaluators have differing opinions on a polarizing player?......who decides?....the computer?......coin flip?......secret ballot?.......

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