Watson Undraftable
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Christian Ponder is the best comparison
Ponder and Watson are both the same size. ponder was roughly 8 pounds heavier for the combine.
both sported a high INT Percentage. Both had the same size arms and same ball velocity 49mph and 51mph respectively.
40yd dash Watson 4.66 Ponder 4.65
Vertical Watson 32.5 Ponder 34.0
Broad Jump Watson 119.0 Ponder 116.0
3 Cone Watson 6.95 Ponder 6.85
20yd Shuttle Watson 4.31 Ponder 4.09
Frankly his Marcus Mariota comp on nfl.com is a ridiculous comparison -
Thats an incredibly Jaded look at it Mud. If your grades dont take into account circumstance or motor then your grades are not reflective of previous statements.
We drafted on Potential and college pedigree which is a fine plan. ask the cowboys or the seahawks because is the exact same way they draft and pick up UDFA's
Regardless and back to the topic at Hand
Watson showed that he was atleast more athletic than most NFL QB's but on tape his arm strength comes to the for front. None of his passes have the same level of zip that Mahomes or Trubisky or Webb have. I'm really hoping he gets drafted early just to take away the chance of us being saddled with him for next couple of years.
I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)
I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)
I'd still like to know how many 1 year starters in major division 1 college football went on to become a savior for an NFL franchise in our situation. If you're already looking for every excuse under the sun why Trubisky lost both of his only 2 starts you watched, please enlighten me how Cleveland becomes Easy Street for the lad in 2017?
When I watched the combines, I didn't see a QB throw better passes during the out routes than Watson. And when they threw deep balls, the guy who explained the drill stopped it to remind the QBs he wanted them putting air under the throws rather than firing them with heat. it was a drill to measure how well a Qb can fit in his throw in anticipation of where he projects the receiver to be. The best 2 in that drill Trubisky and Watson.
I don't remember seeing Watson throw the soft knuckle balls all day to be quite honest. Then again, when the WRs were running from sideline to sideline catching passes from QBs on both sides of them -maybe that could have been the drill the Mitch L fan club wants to celebrate in the after math. I do remember Jeremiah, Mayock and Casserly all saying Watson showed a strong arm at the combines. I thought I also read that Tour was most impressed by Watson. And when you were church mouse quiet after the combines, I'm guessing he looked better than you hoped he would as well.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Christian Ponder is the best comparison
Ponder and Watson are both the same size. ponder was roughly 8 pounds heavier for the combine.
both sported a high INT Percentage. Both had the same size arms and same ball velocity 49mph and 51mph respectively.
40yd dash Watson 4.66 Ponder 4.65
Vertical Watson 32.5 Ponder 34.0
Broad Jump Watson 119.0 Ponder 116.0
3 Cone Watson 6.95 Ponder 6.85
20yd Shuttle Watson 4.31 Ponder 4.09
Frankly his Marcus Mariota comp on nfl.com is a ridiculous comparisonChristian Ponder is the best comparison
Ponder and Watson are both the same size. ponder was roughly 8 pounds heavier for the combine.
both sported a high INT Percentage. Both had the same size arms and same ball velocity 49mph and 51mph respectively.
40yd dash Watson 4.66 Ponder 4.65
Vertical Watson 32.5 Ponder 34.0
Broad Jump Watson 119.0 Ponder 116.0
3 Cone Watson 6.95 Ponder 6.85
20yd Shuttle Watson 4.31 Ponder 4.09
Frankly his Marcus Mariota comp on nfl.com is a ridiculous comparison
You mean this wasn't a track star trying to play a WildDawg/Kent State QB position from a shot gun all this time?
So where are we on 1 year college starters acing their NFL rookie gig? I get it. Trubisky played high school football in Mentor, Ohio but let's not act like Watson is the only prospect with flaws. Charlie Frye grew up in Ohio wishing he could play for the Browns some day too. He was even the MVP of the Senior Bowl before he learned what it was like to play QB for the Cleveland Browns.
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Christian Ponder is the best comparison
Ponder and Watson are both the same size. ponder was roughly 8 pounds heavier for the combine.
both sported a high INT Percentage. Both had the same size arms and same ball velocity 49mph and 51mph respectively.
40yd dash Watson 4.66 Ponder 4.65
Vertical Watson 32.5 Ponder 34.0
Broad Jump Watson 119.0 Ponder 116.0
3 Cone Watson 6.95 Ponder 6.85
20yd Shuttle Watson 4.31 Ponder 4.09
Frankly his Marcus Mariota comp on nfl.com is a ridiculous comparison
You mean this wasn't a track star trying to play a WildDawg/Kent State QB position from a shot gun all this time?
So where are we on 1 year college starters acing their NFL rookie gig? I get it. Trubisky played high school football in Mentor, Ohio but let's not act like Watson is the only prospect with flaws. Charlie Frye grew up in Ohio wishing he could play for the Browns some day too. He was even the MVP of the Senior Bowl before he learned what it was like to play QB for the Cleveland Browns.
You mean this wasn't a track star trying to play a WildDawg/Kent State QB position from a shot gun all this time?
So where are we on 1 year college starters acing their NFL rookie gig? I get it. Trubisky played high school football in Mentor, Ohio but let's not act like Watson is the only prospect with flaws. Charlie Frye grew up in Ohio wishing he could play for the Browns some day too. He was even the MVP of the Senior Bowl before he learned what it was like to play QB for the Cleveland Browns.
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
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You mean this wasn't a track star trying to play a WildDawg/Kent State QB position from a shot gun all this time?
So where are we on 1 year college starters acing their NFL rookie gig? I get it. Trubisky played high school football in Mentor, Ohio but let's not act like Watson is the only prospect with flaws. Charlie Frye grew up in Ohio wishing he could play for the Browns some day too. He was even the MVP of the Senior Bowl before he learned what it was like to play QB for the Cleveland Browns.
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
So I'll consider your lack of an answer to my question to be zero 1 year starters from major DI programs have gone on to ace their rookie NFL gigs.
I don't ever remember Clemson to be putting WRs in the NFL nearly as the last 5 years or so to reflect how much their passing game has evolved. Your boy Boyd got cut. While we're at it, how many former NC QBS have gone on to become full time starters on NFL rosters for at least 1 year over the last 3 or 4 decades?
All that said, which one of us wants a QB in this draft at #1 or #12 overall? It's not me.
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damn right webb in the second or a trade up to get in front of arizona*.
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Christian Ponder is the best comparison
Ponder and Watson are both the same size. ponder was roughly 8 pounds heavier for the combine.
both sported a high INT Percentage. Both had the same size arms and same ball velocity 49mph and 51mph respectively.
40yd dash Watson 4.66 Ponder 4.65
Vertical Watson 32.5 Ponder 34.0
Broad Jump Watson 119.0 Ponder 116.0
3 Cone Watson 6.95 Ponder 6.85
20yd Shuttle Watson 4.31 Ponder 4.09
Frankly his Marcus Mariota comp on nfl.com is a ridiculous comparisonChristian Ponder is the best comparison
Ponder and Watson are both the same size. ponder was roughly 8 pounds heavier for the combine.
both sported a high INT Percentage. Both had the same size arms and same ball velocity 49mph and 51mph respectively.
40yd dash Watson 4.66 Ponder 4.65
Vertical Watson 32.5 Ponder 34.0
Broad Jump Watson 119.0 Ponder 116.0
3 Cone Watson 6.95 Ponder 6.85
20yd Shuttle Watson 4.31 Ponder 4.09
Frankly his Marcus Mariota comp on nfl.com is a ridiculous comparison
They compared Fournette to goddamn Bo Jackson haha.
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I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)
I'd still like to know how many 1 year starters in major division 1 college football went on to become a savior for an NFL franchise in our situation. If you're already looking for every excuse under the sun why Trubisky lost both of his only 2 starts you watched, please enlighten me how Cleveland becomes Easy Street for the lad in 2017?
When I watched the combines, I didn't see a QB throw better passes during the out routes than Watson. And when they threw deep balls, the guy who explained the drill stopped it to remind the QBs he wanted them putting air under the throws rather than firing them with heat. it was a drill to measure how well a Qb can fit in his throw in anticipation of where he projects the receiver to be. The best 2 in that drill Trubisky and Watson.
I don't remember seeing Watson throw the soft knuckle balls all day to be quite honest. Then again, when the WRs were running from sideline to sideline catching passes from QBs on both sides of them -maybe that could have been the drill the Mitch L fan club wants to celebrate in the after math. I do remember Jeremiah, Mayock and Casserly all saying Watson showed a strong arm at the combines. I thought I also read that Tour was most impressed by Watson. And when you were church mouse quiet after the combines, I'm guessing he looked better than you hoped he would as well.
I'd still like to know how many 1 year starters in major division 1 college football went on to become a savior for an NFL franchise in our situation. If you're already looking for every excuse under the sun why Trubisky lost both of his only 2 starts you watched, please enlighten me how Cleveland becomes Easy Street for the lad in 2017?
When I watched the combines, I didn't see a QB throw better passes during the out routes than Watson. And when they threw deep balls, the guy who explained the drill stopped it to remind the QBs he wanted them putting air under the throws rather than firing them with heat. it was a drill to measure how well a Qb can fit in his throw in anticipation of where he projects the receiver to be. The best 2 in that drill Trubisky and Watson.
I don't remember seeing Watson throw the soft knuckle balls all day to be quite honest. Then again, when the WRs were running from sideline to sideline catching passes from QBs on both sides of them -maybe that could have been the drill the Mitch L fan club wants to celebrate in the after math. I do remember Jeremiah, Mayock and Casserly all saying Watson showed a strong arm at the combines. I thought I also read that Tour was most impressed by Watson. And when you were church mouse quiet after the combines, I'm guessing he looked better than you hoped he would as well.
This isn't a Trubisky discussion Tom, so why bring him up?.
A few scout comments on his pro day? "Average". Hue felt "the earth move" with RG III in a workout similar to the combine. Caine posted Gabbert's measurables- I'd say scarily similar. Yup, 1-1 in National Championship games. Would have been 0-2 if the refs were wearing their glasses. Quarterback production in the college game doesn't always translate to the pros. Fact. Watson played on a great team- another fact. Should I post the list of Heisman QB busts to refresh your memory?
If you love Watson, great. I don't. I'll put Kizer in the same don't care for him either boat. If we don't take Mitch, there's around 3 other QBs I like better than Watson- another fact.
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I'd still like to know how many 1 year starters in major division 1 college football went on to become a savior for an NFL franchise in our situation. If you're already looking for every excuse under the sun why Trubisky lost both of his only 2 starts you watched, please enlighten me how Cleveland becomes Easy Street for the lad in 2017?
When I watched the combines, I didn't see a QB throw better passes during the out routes than Watson. And when they threw deep balls, the guy who explained the drill stopped it to remind the QBs he wanted them putting air under the throws rather than firing them with heat. it was a drill to measure how well a Qb can fit in his throw in anticipation of where he projects the receiver to be. The best 2 in that drill Trubisky and Watson.
I don't remember seeing Watson throw the soft knuckle balls all day to be quite honest. Then again, when the WRs were running from sideline to sideline catching passes from QBs on both sides of them -maybe that could have been the drill the Mitch L fan club wants to celebrate in the after math. I do remember Jeremiah, Mayock and Casserly all saying Watson showed a strong arm at the combines. I thought I also read that Tour was most impressed by Watson. And when you were church mouse quiet after the combines, I'm guessing he looked better than you hoped he would as well.
This isn't a Trubisky discussion Tom, so why bring him up?.
A few scout comments on his pro day? "Average". Hue felt "the earth move" with RG III in a workout similar to the combine. Caine posted Gabbert's measurables- I'd say scarily similar. Yup, 1-1 in National Championship games. Would have been 0-2 if the refs were wearing their glasses. Quarterback production in the college game doesn't always translate to the pros. Fact. Watson played on a great team- another fact. Should I post the list of Heisman QB busts to refresh your memory?
If you love Watson, great. I don't. I'll put Kizer in the same don't care for him either boat. If we don't take Mitch, there's around 3 other QBs I like better than Watson- another fact.
This isn't a Trubisky discussion Tom, so why bring him up?.
A few scout comments on his pro day? "Average". Hue felt "the earth move" with RG III in a workout similar to the combine. Caine posted Gabbert's measurables- I'd say scarily similar. Yup, 1-1 in National Championship games. Would have been 0-2 if the refs were wearing their glasses. Quarterback production in the college game doesn't always translate to the pros. Fact. Watson played on a great team- another fact. Should I post the list of Heisman QB busts to refresh your memory?
If you love Watson, great. I don't. I'll put Kizer in the same don't care for him either boat. If we don't take Mitch, there's around 3 other QBs I like better than Watson- another fact.
Not wanting ANY QB in the first round of this draft means I don't LOVE any of them Lancelot. I don't love Watson nearly as much as I hate seeing an ignorance that would make the Ku Klux Klan really proud of your clutch RG3 stereotype based on skin color only. Have you ever seen the replay of this pick play you keep needing to hide behind? Watson could have walked in for a TD untouched. You do know they had the ball at the 2 yard line right? Did his coach choose to run or pass? And why? Because his QB sucks or wins? In order to get all the way to that point, he had to be doing a lot right like beating Ohio State by 31 points.
Going 28-2 at Clemson the last 2 years on a team that won't have a 1/4 of the 1st and 2nd round draft picks that Alabama will have doesn't HAVE to make him the next RG3 Larry. While RG3 has a stronger arm than Watson, Watson has much better vision, pocket presence and anticipation that RG3. As we saw with DA,Weeden and RG3, being late with a strong arm means less than being on time with an average arm. Here comes that vision thing again.
I watched the combines you found too inconvenient to talk about. Having said that, I did notice Daniel Jeremiah found his workout at Clemson to be far less impressive than the combine so I see why you only need to focus on that one.
If we draft Trubisky - I'll root like Hell for the kid. That's more than I can say for what you'd do if we draft Watson. If we draft either guy at #1 or #12 I'll be too preoccupied with panic attacks to hear the boos during their inevitable growing pains. I've never pretended I needed to quit my day job to predict what college QBs will be football messiahs for the worst NFL teams. Having aid that,you've seen parts of 2 games Trubisky lost during his entire scholarship. How do you know this guy isn't anything more than the Fail for Cardale idea from a small body of work? You don't so who's being ridiculous with their expectations about a QB in this thread me?
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This isn't a Trubisky discussion Tom, so why bring him up?.
A few scout comments on his pro day? "Average". Hue felt "the earth move" with RG III in a workout similar to the combine. Caine posted Gabbert's measurables- I'd say scarily similar. Yup, 1-1 in National Championship games. Would have been 0-2 if the refs were wearing their glasses. Quarterback production in the college game doesn't always translate to the pros. Fact. Watson played on a great team- another fact. Should I post the list of Heisman QB busts to refresh your memory?
If you love Watson, great. I don't. I'll put Kizer in the same don't care for him either boat. If we don't take Mitch, there's around 3 other QBs I like better than Watson- another fact.
Not wanting ANY QB in the first round of this draft means I don't LOVE any of them Lancelot. I don't love Watson nearly as much as I hate seeing an ignorance that would make the Ku Klux Klan really proud of your clutch RG3 stereotype based on skin color only. Have you ever seen the replay of this pick play you keep needing to hide behind? Watson could have walked in for a TD untouched. You do know they had the ball at the 2 yard line right? Did his coach choose to run or pass? And why? Because his QB sucks or wins? In order to get all the way to that point, he had to be doing a lot right like beating Ohio State by 31 points.
Going 28-2 at Clemson the last 2 years on a team that won't have a 1/4 of the 1st and 2nd round draft picks that Alabama will have doesn't HAVE to make him the next RG3 Larry. While RG3 has a stronger arm than Watson, Watson has much better vision, pocket presence and anticipation that RG3. As we saw with DA,Weeden and RG3, being late with a strong arm means less than being on time with an average arm. Here comes that vision thing again.
I watched the combines you found too inconvenient to talk about. Having said that, I did notice Daniel Jeremiah found his workout at Clemson to be far less impressive than the combine so I see why you only need to focus on that one.
If we draft Trubisky - I'll root like Hell for the kid. That's more than I can say for what you'd do if we draft Watson. If we draft either guy at #1 or #12 I'll be too preoccupied with panic attacks to hear the boos during their inevitable growing pains. I've never pretended I needed to quit my day job to predict what college QBs will be football messiahs for the worst NFL teams. Having aid that,you've seen parts of 2 games Trubisky lost during his entire scholarship. How do you know this guy isn't anything more than the Fail for Cardale idea from a small body of work? You don't so who's being ridiculous with their expectations about a QB in this thread me?
Not wanting ANY QB in the first round of this draft means I don't LOVE any of them Lancelot. I don't love Watson nearly as much as I hate seeing an ignorance that would make the Ku Klux Klan really proud of your clutch RG3 stereotype based on skin color only. Have you ever seen the replay of this pick play you keep needing to hide behind? Watson could have walked in for a TD untouched. You do know they had the ball at the 2 yard line right? Did his coach choose to run or pass? And why? Because his QB sucks or wins?
Going 28-2 at Clemson the last 2 years on a team that won't have a 1/4 of the 1st and 2nd round draft picks that Alabama will have doesn't HAVE to make him the next RG3 Larry. While RG3 has a stronger arm than Watson, Watson has much better vision, pocket presence and anticipation that RG3. As we saw with DA,Weeden and RG3, being late with a strong arm means less than being on time with an average arm. Here comes that vision thing again.
I watched the combines you found too inconvenient to talk about. Having said that, I did notice Daniel Jeremiah found his workout at Clemson to be far less impressive than the combine so I see why you only need to focus on that one.
If we draft Trubisky - I'll root like Hell for the kid. That's more than I can say for what you'd do if we draft Watson. If we draft either guy at #1 or #12 I'll be too preoccupied with panic attacks to hear the boos during their inevitable growing pains. I've never pretended I needed to quit my day job to predict what college QBs will be football messiahs for the worst NFL teams.
Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
So can the Clan Comment. In fact you owe me an apology for being inattentive. Caine duly corrected me that Gabbert is a more apt comparison.
Your just as guilty picking and choosing stuff that pumps Watson up. So boo-hoo if some guys like Jeremiah backed off on their combine assessment at his pro day. Did Watson have a better combine than Mitch? Sure he did- find where I said otherwise. What I'm scared of is assuming the gun numbers are correct (they may not be) Watson doesn't even have an "average" arm- he has a worse than Connor Shaw pop gun. As I alluded to- Griffin looked like Da Bomb to Hue under similar circumstances. Damn near any NFL prospect can look good standing there with no pass rush and throw 50 yard bombs- and I've faulted Hue time and time again for not taking that into consideration when he signed R Glass. OK, that's one nice thing I can say about Watson- in the Alabama game, he absorbed a few NFL level kill shots and didn't get injured.
Tour posted some stuff that Mitch needs to work on- duly noted. We're not drafting him @ #1. Remains to be seen if he'll still be there @ #12. BTW, with Pryor out the door- I won't be upset at all if we draft Mike Williams @ #12.
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Watson come here we need you.
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Not wanting ANY QB in the first round of this draft means I don't LOVE any of them Lancelot. I don't love Watson nearly as much as I hate seeing an ignorance that would make the Ku Klux Klan really proud of your clutch RG3 stereotype based on skin color only. Have you ever seen the replay of this pick play you keep needing to hide behind? Watson could have walked in for a TD untouched. You do know they had the ball at the 2 yard line right? Did his coach choose to run or pass? And why? Because his QB sucks or wins?
Going 28-2 at Clemson the last 2 years on a team that won't have a 1/4 of the 1st and 2nd round draft picks that Alabama will have doesn't HAVE to make him the next RG3 Larry. While RG3 has a stronger arm than Watson, Watson has much better vision, pocket presence and anticipation that RG3. As we saw with DA,Weeden and RG3, being late with a strong arm means less than being on time with an average arm. Here comes that vision thing again.
I watched the combines you found too inconvenient to talk about. Having said that, I did notice Daniel Jeremiah found his workout at Clemson to be far less impressive than the combine so I see why you only need to focus on that one.
If we draft Trubisky - I'll root like Hell for the kid. That's more than I can say for what you'd do if we draft Watson. If we draft either guy at #1 or #12 I'll be too preoccupied with panic attacks to hear the boos during their inevitable growing pains. I've never pretended I needed to quit my day job to predict what college QBs will be football messiahs for the worst NFL teams.
Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
So can the Clan Comment. In fact you owe me an apology for being inattentive. Caine duly corrected me that Gabbert is a more apt comparison.
Your just as guilty picking and choosing stuff that pumps Watson up. So boo-hoo if some guys like Jeremiah backed off on their combine assessment at his pro day. Did Watson have a better combine than Mitch? Sure he did- find where I said otherwise. What I'm scared of is assuming the gun numbers are correct (they may not be) Watson doesn't even have an "average" arm- he has a worse than Connor Shaw pop gun. As I alluded to- Griffin looked like Da Bomb to Hue under similar circumstances. Damn near any NFL prospect can look good standing there with no pass rush and throw 50 yard bombs- and I've faulted Hue time and time again for not taking that into consideration when he signed R Glass. OK, that's one nice thing I can say about Watson- in the Alabama game, he absorbed a few NFL level kill shots and didn't get injured.
Tour posted some stuff that Mitch needs to work on- duly noted. We're not drafting him @ #1. Remains to be seen if he'll still be there @ #12. BTW, with Pryor out the door- I won't be upset at all if we draft Mike Williams @ #12.
Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
So can the Clan Comment. In fact you owe me an apology for being inattentive. Caine duly corrected me that Gabbert is a more apt comparison.
Your just as guilty picking and choosing stuff that pumps Watson up. So boo-hoo if some guys like Jeremiah backed off on their combine assessment at his pro day. Did Watson have a better combine than Mitch? Sure he did- find where I said otherwise. What I'm scared of is assuming the gun numbers are correct (they may not be) Watson doesn't even have an "average" arm- he has a worse than Connor Shaw pop gun. As I alluded to- Griffin looked like Da Bomb to Hue under similar circumstances. Damn near any NFL prospect can look good standing there with no pass rush and throw 50 yard bombs- and I've faulted Hue time and time again for not taking that into consideration when he signed R Glass. OK, that's one nice thing I can say about Watson- in the Alabama game, he absorbed a few NFL level kill shots and didn't get injured.
Tour posted some stuff that Mitch needs to work on- duly noted. We're not drafting him @ #1. Remains to be seen if he'll still be there @ #12. BTW, with Pryor out the door- I won't be upset at all if we draft Mike Williams @ #12.
Actually i said Christian Ponder. Blaine Gabbert was again a better prospect than Watson especially in the size and athletics department including arm strength.
Also i've seen the same thing with scouts backing off of both Trubisky and Watson based on combine and pro days.
If i had to list my QB's it would be
1.Webb
2.Trubisky
3.Mahomes
4.Watson
5.Peterman
6.All other Developmental QB's, The problem with this tier is i dont see anyone here better than Kessler.
Maybe Dobbs? Maybe Kizer? i like Dobbs more than Kizer... its really tough to separate in this group.
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Not wanting ANY QB in the first round of this draft means I don't LOVE any of them Lancelot. I don't love Watson nearly as much as I hate seeing an ignorance that would make the Ku Klux Klan really proud of your clutch RG3 stereotype based on skin color only. Have you ever seen the replay of this pick play you keep needing to hide behind? Watson could have walked in for a TD untouched. You do know they had the ball at the 2 yard line right? Did his coach choose to run or pass? And why? Because his QB sucks or wins?
Going 28-2 at Clemson the last 2 years on a team that won't have a 1/4 of the 1st and 2nd round draft picks that Alabama will have doesn't HAVE to make him the next RG3 Larry. While RG3 has a stronger arm than Watson, Watson has much better vision, pocket presence and anticipation that RG3. As we saw with DA,Weeden and RG3, being late with a strong arm means less than being on time with an average arm. Here comes that vision thing again.
I watched the combines you found too inconvenient to talk about. Having said that, I did notice Daniel Jeremiah found his workout at Clemson to be far less impressive than the combine so I see why you only need to focus on that one.
If we draft Trubisky - I'll root like Hell for the kid. That's more than I can say for what you'd do if we draft Watson. If we draft either guy at #1 or #12 I'll be too preoccupied with panic attacks to hear the boos during their inevitable growing pains. I've never pretended I needed to quit my day job to predict what college QBs will be football messiahs for the worst NFL teams.
Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
So can the Clan Comment. In fact you owe me an apology for being inattentive. Caine duly corrected me that Gabbert is a more apt comparison.
Your just as guilty picking and choosing stuff that pumps Watson up. So boo-hoo if some guys like Jeremiah backed off on their combine assessment at his pro day. Did Watson have a better combine than Mitch? Sure he did- find where I said otherwise. What I'm scared of is assuming the gun numbers are correct (they may not be) Watson doesn't even have an "average" arm- he has a worse than Connor Shaw pop gun. As I alluded to- Griffin looked like Da Bomb to Hue under similar circumstances. Damn near any NFL prospect can look good standing there with no pass rush and throw 50 yard bombs- and I've faulted Hue time and time again for not taking that into consideration when he signed R Glass. OK, that's one nice thing I can say about Watson- in the Alabama game, he absorbed a few NFL level kill shots and didn't get injured.
Tour posted some stuff that Mitch needs to work on- duly noted. We're not drafting him @ #1. Remains to be seen if he'll still be there @ #12. BTW, with Pryor out the door- I won't be upset at all if we draft Mike Williams @ #12.
Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
Really? Asks the same guy who has yet to find my very first post indicating I want/need us to draft DeShaun Watson at #1 or #12 overall.
Watson has way better pocket presence, pre-snap intellect, vision and anticipation than RG3 so I'm not taking your guilt trip about your skin color stereotype in this one. He also throws a much better out route and touch pass than RG3 from a conference that played more defense than the Big 12 did.
So, here you are feeding a thread titled Watson is undraftable having a hard time with me reminding you Trubisky was the only QB that couldn't start more than 1 year for a major DI program. Shall we default back to skin color again and remember Watson's skin resembles RG3's more?
Remember the miserable day Cam Newton had at the combines hearing how he might have just cost himself millions of $ - how much did that 1 workout stop him from being drafted where he should have been or making 1 Superbowl already? It didn't at all...
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Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
So can the Clan Comment. In fact you owe me an apology for being inattentive. Caine duly corrected me that Gabbert is a more apt comparison.
Your just as guilty picking and choosing stuff that pumps Watson up. So boo-hoo if some guys like Jeremiah backed off on their combine assessment at his pro day. Did Watson have a better combine than Mitch? Sure he did- find where I said otherwise. What I'm scared of is assuming the gun numbers are correct (they may not be) Watson doesn't even have an "average" arm- he has a worse than Connor Shaw pop gun. As I alluded to- Griffin looked like Da Bomb to Hue under similar circumstances. Damn near any NFL prospect can look good standing there with no pass rush and throw 50 yard bombs- and I've faulted Hue time and time again for not taking that into consideration when he signed R Glass. OK, that's one nice thing I can say about Watson- in the Alabama game, he absorbed a few NFL level kill shots and didn't get injured.
Tour posted some stuff that Mitch needs to work on- duly noted. We're not drafting him @ #1. Remains to be seen if he'll still be there @ #12. BTW, with Pryor out the door- I won't be upset at all if we draft Mike Williams @ #12.
Actually i said Christian Ponder. Blaine Gabbert was again a better prospect than Watson especially in the size and athletics department including arm strength.
Also i've seen the same thing with scouts backing off of both Trubisky and Watson based on combine and pro days.
If i had to list my QB's it would be
1.Webb
2.Trubisky
3.Mahomes
4.Watson
5.Peterman
6.All other Developmental QB's, The problem with this tier is i dont see anyone here better than Kessler.
Maybe Dobbs? Maybe Kizer? i like Dobbs more than Kizer... its really tough to separate in this group.
Actually i said Christian Ponder. Blaine Gabbert was again a better prospect than Watson especially in the size and athletics department including arm strength.
Also i've seen the same thing with scouts backing off of both Trubisky and Watson based on combine and pro days.
If i had to list my QB's it would be
1.Webb
2.Trubisky
3.Mahomes
4.Watson
5.Peterman
6.All other Developmental QB's, The problem with this tier is i dont see anyone here better than Kessler.
Maybe Dobbs? Maybe Kizer? i like Dobbs more than Kizer... its really tough to separate in this group.
I like Webb and the Mahomes that beat out Webb. That still doesn't sell me anyone in this year's QB class is worthy of round 1 consideration.
I don't really have anything against Trubisky other than Hoorta gets so obnoxious about him...
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Read my posts much?
"I've said it before Watson is RG IV with a weaker arm. (and that's just traits, not skin color)"
Really? Asks the same guy who has yet to find my very first post indicating I want/need us to draft DeShaun Watson at #1 or #12 overall.
Watson has way better pocket presence, pre-snap intellect, vision and anticipation than RG3 so I'm not taking your guilt trip about your skin color stereotype in this one. He also throws a much better out route and touch pass than RG3 from a conference that played more defense than the Big 12 did.
So, here you are feeding a thread titled Watson is undraftable having a hard time with me reminding you Trubisky was the only QB that couldn't start more than 1 year for a major DI program. Shall we default back to skin color again and remember Watson's skin resembles RG3's more?
Remember the miserable day Cam Newton had at the combines hearing how he might have just cost himself millions of $ - how much did that 1 workout stop him from being drafted where he should have been or making 1 Superbowl already? It didn't at all...
Really? Asks the same guy who has yet to find my very first post indicating I want/need us to draft DeShaun Watson at #1 or #12 overall.
Watson has way better pocket presence, pre-snap intellect, vision and anticipation than RG3 so I'm not taking your guilt trip about your skin color stereotype in this one. He also throws a much better out route and touch pass than RG3 from a conference that played more defense than the Big 12 did.
So, here you are feeding a thread titled Watson is undraftable having a hard time with me reminding you Trubisky was the only QB that couldn't start more than 1 year for a major DI program. Shall we default back to skin color again and remember Watson's skin resembles RG3's more?
Remember the miserable day Cam Newton had at the combines hearing how he might have just cost himself millions of $ - how much did that 1 workout stop him from being drafted where he should have been or making 1 Superbowl already? It didn't at all...
Newton has had one good year and has otherwise been a subpar QB. he's also huge enough to take the hits and runs in for a lot of TD's. so ehh it kinda balances out. last year he was much worse than osweiler even.
Also i'm biased against Newton so huge grain of salt.
You can definatly make the case for Mahomes ahead of Webb. My top 3 are pretty close i just have a more "Gut" feeling for webb and something about his throws just make the intermediate to deep ball look so good.
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Really? Asks the same guy who has yet to find my very first post indicating I want/need us to draft DeShaun Watson at #1 or #12 overall.
Watson has way better pocket presence, pre-snap intellect, vision and anticipation than RG3 so I'm not taking your guilt trip about your skin color stereotype in this one. He also throws a much better out route and touch pass than RG3 from a conference that played more defense than the Big 12 did.
So, here you are feeding a thread titled Watson is undraftable having a hard time with me reminding you Trubisky was the only QB that couldn't start more than 1 year for a major DI program. Shall we default back to skin color again and remember Watson's skin resembles RG3's more?
Remember the miserable day Cam Newton had at the combines hearing how he might have just cost himself millions of $ - how much did that 1 workout stop him from being drafted where he should have been or making 1 Superbowl already? It didn't at all...
Newton has had one good year and has otherwise been a subpar QB. he's also huge enough to take the hits and runs in for a lot of TD's. so ehh it kinda balances out. last year he was much worse than osweiler even.
Also i'm biased against Newton so huge grain of salt.
You can definatly make the case for Mahomes ahead of Webb. My top 3 are pretty close i just have a more "Gut" feeling for webb and something about his throws just make the intermediate to deep ball look so good.
Newton has had one good year and has otherwise been a subpar QB. he's also huge enough to take the hits and runs in for a lot of TD's. so ehh it kinda balances out. last year he was much worse than osweiler even.
Also i'm biased against Newton so huge grain of salt
Believe it or not, I don't really like Cam Newton very much either. He's dumber than a pet rock when he gets interviewed. It was just weird to see him take a team with suspect protection up front and a bunch of injured RBs and WRs to a Superbowl using a TE almost exclusively as his weapon of choice. That reminds me how little1 workout mattered in holding him back.
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@ghoolie said:
The only speed that matter is the speed in which the QB releases the ball. That can only be measured in touchdowns
And Watson threw 41 TD passes this year.
But here we are in a thread titled "Watson is Undraftable" after he led his team to 28-2 with 2 consecutive National Championship appearances vrs Alabama that Clemson scored 41 and 35 points against in the last 2 years. Before he led his team to the National Championship, he helped them beat Ohio State by 31 points. How many defenses will have more guys drafted in rounds 1 and 2 than Alabama and Ohio State this year?
Since nobody is posting they want Watson in round 1 - what could possibly be the rationale or intense need for this thread? Camp Trubisky and his small body of work. Once upon a time there was another QB in Ohio that had a small body of work that couldn't prevent the premature cult following under an adorable "Fail for Cardale" title.
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You mean this wasn't a track star trying to play a WildDawg/Kent State QB position from a shot gun all this time?
So where are we on 1 year college starters acing their NFL rookie gig? I get it. Trubisky played high school football in Mentor, Ohio but let's not act like Watson is the only prospect with flaws. Charlie Frye grew up in Ohio wishing he could play for the Browns some day too. He was even the MVP of the Senior Bowl before he learned what it was like to play QB for the Cleveland Browns.
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
flip of that same coin how many Clemson QB's have had success in the nfl?
The ONLY Clemson QBs that had above a -0- Career Average in the NFL were Steve Fuller....and Touchdown Jesus, Charlie Whitehurst.
Beyond him I found just 1 guy who started 1 game back in 1948 named Charley Surratt.
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So I'll consider your lack of an answer to my question to be zero 1 year starters from major DI programs have gone on to ace their rookie NFL gigs.
You have asked this question a dozen times on here Flugs....and the fact that none of us here know the answer....even MOI, the king of trivia, do not know it. And besides, the answer does not matter:
Who cares of the "ace their rookie gig".....What I care is if they Ace their NFL career gig. I would not and no one should expect any QB to "ace their rookie season" in the NFL? How many ever have? Only guy I can think of is Dan Marino. (maybe Dak Prescott a bit). I want sustained excellence....excellence cooked in a crockpot, not in a microwave.
Oh...yea....one other guy aced his rookie season: Robert Griffin III.
So there is a clear example of preferring a QBs career to be looked at over time....not right at the onset.
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