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  • 1.Sashi rules any "committee" coin flips. 2.Berry is a part of committee that heads the talent of scouting which is equal to the committee of 3.coaching staff's "the voice of opinions"....4. Haslem stay's miles away πŸ˜›

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  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @tour2ma said:

    'Bout time y'all figured out Sashi is not the A talent evaluator....

    fify

    There is no "the evaluator" in our FO......top 2 guys aren't even football guys......

    What happens when the evaluators have differing opinions on a polarizing player?......who decides?....the computer?......coin flip?......secret ballot?.......

    @mudfly said:

    fify

    There is no "the evaluator" in our FO......top 2 guys aren't even football guys......

    What happens when the evaluators have differing opinions on a polarizing player?......who decides?....the computer?......coin flip?......secret ballot?.......

    I think you pass...

    "We must all hang together or we shall certainly hang separately"... or something like that.

    I think it's the strongest part of our potential sustainability... of cultivating talent in our FO.

    We have rooms full of "experts"... pro scouts... collegiate scouts... analytical. Sashi drives for consensus, but if none is within reach, then you pass.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I don't know T, someone has to make the ultimate decision.... There has to be one head chef in the kitchen.

    Tour2maT T 2 Replies
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Sashi is a peanut counter so I don't know why he would even be there.

    Or anywhere that has to do with assessing talent.........oh, wait......

    @mudfly said:

    Or anywhere that has to do with assessing talent.........oh, wait......

    Or anywhere that there isn't an adding machine in the room.

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  • D BoneD D Bone

    I don't know T, someone has to make the ultimate decision.... There has to be one head chef in the kitchen.

    @d-bone said:

    I don't know T, someone has to make the ultimate decision.... There has to be one head chef in the kitchen.

    Why? And how is "passing" not a decision?

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  • What percentage of those who get a vote have to be on board for it to be considered "consensus"? What if only 80% want Garrett?

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  • D BoneD D Bone

    I don't know T, someone has to make the ultimate decision.... There has to be one head chef in the kitchen.

    @d-bone said:

    I don't know T, someone has to make the ultimate decision.... There has to be one head chef in the kitchen.

    I dunno. The head chef cooked up 4 wr's so he must be a 4 headed head chef.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @d-bone said:

    I don't know T, someone has to make the ultimate decision.... There has to be one head chef in the kitchen.

    Why? And how is "passing" not a decision?

    @tour2ma said:

    Why? And how is "passing" not a decision?

    I've just never seen any "group thinking / no leader" work before in my personal life experiences..... and if 'passing' is the endgame decision for when a bunch of people all can't agree, then I could see our 12 picks quickly turning into 8 picks as the pick clock simply runs out.

  • W wargograw

    What percentage of those who get a vote have to be on board for it to be considered "consensus"? What if only 80% want Garrett?

    @wargograw said:

    What percentage of those who get a vote have to be on board for it to be considered "consensus"? What if only 80% want Garrett?

    It's 0% are against the decision. It is not a voting process. Consensus means all deciding parties "can live with" the decision... none are opposed.

    And it is not as if there are a couple dozen in the room deciding. The Department heads hammer out their Department's takes in meetings at that level and then maybe 9 assemble including Sashi and DePo to begin the consensus process.

    @d-bone said:

    I've just never seen any "group thinking / no leader" work before in my personal life experiences..... and if 'passing' is the endgame decision for when a bunch of people all can't agree, then I could see our 12 picks quickly turning into 8 picks as the pick clock simply runs out.

    Not remotely the way it works... we set a draft board through the consensus process. Sashi leads the process. It is collaborative.

    Then we work scenarios outside of the norm... "what if" the shit out of the process. For example:

    • What if we take Garrett at one and Solomon, Foster, Williams and OJH are all on the board at 12 and we have no trade partner... just like happened in our mock.
    • What if we have a third round choice between an OLB and a OG we like, but there's an OG we think will be there in round 4 that we like almost as much, but no OLB after the 3rd round prospect?

    That stuff is worked to death in the weeks before draft day.

    When it's our turn on the board we essentially take the predetermined path.

    I guarantee you that if it is done right, then collaborative consensus-building produces better decisions with greater consistency than any autocratic process.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @wargograw said:

    What percentage of those who get a vote have to be on board for it to be considered "consensus"? What if only 80% want Garrett?

    It's 0% are against the decision. It is not a voting process. Consensus means all deciding parties "can live with" the decision... none are opposed.

    And it is not as if there are a couple dozen in the room deciding. The Department heads hammer out their Department's takes in meetings at that level and then maybe 9 assemble including Sashi and DePo to begin the consensus process.

    @d-bone said:

    I've just never seen any "group thinking / no leader" work before in my personal life experiences..... and if 'passing' is the endgame decision for when a bunch of people all can't agree, then I could see our 12 picks quickly turning into 8 picks as the pick clock simply runs out.

    Not remotely the way it works... we set a draft board through the consensus process. Sashi leads the process. It is collaborative.

    Then we work scenarios outside of the norm... "what if" the shit out of the process. For example:

    • What if we take Garrett at one and Solomon, Foster, Williams and OJH are all on the board at 12 and we have no trade partner... just like happened in our mock.
    • What if we have a third round choice between an OLB and a OG we like, but there's an OG we think will be there in round 4 that we like almost as much, but no OLB after the 3rd round prospect?

    That stuff is worked to death in the weeks before draft day.

    When it's our turn on the board we essentially take the predetermined path.

    I guarantee you that if it is done right, then collaborative consensus-building produces better decisions with greater consistency than any autocratic process.

    @tour2ma said:

    I guarantee you that if it is done right, then collaborative consensus-building produces better decisions with greater consistency than any autocratic process.

    Don't tell that to Belichick πŸ˜‰

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  • 1-15 yes. but When the injuries started to pile up. The new transactions that were made from this such committee was from 2-C's to 2-G's to S's to CB's were seriously not bad pick-ups at all..From this list of OL-Johnson,C-Reiter,C/GFabs,CB/S-BootieCalhoun,ST-Alford & S-Reynolds.I'd say the callaborative consensus has some hope. now can they draft? Cause their future is now, on the picks they built..

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  • D BoneD D Bone

    @tour2ma said:

    I guarantee you that if it is done right, then collaborative consensus-building produces better decisions with greater consistency than any autocratic process.

    Don't tell that to Belichick πŸ˜‰

    @d-bone said:

    Don't tell that to Belichick πŸ˜‰

    lol... How 'bout "that we've tried"...

    While surely Bill is "the decider", he has key personnel folks that have been around him a while and I think they have significant impact/influence upon him.

    We've heard from his staff that he expects them to push back on him when they disagree and bring ideas to him frequently... to think of things he has not thought of. I'd be shocked if it were not the same in the FO.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • MudflyM Mudfly

    @hoorta said:

    Yup Mud with Pryor gone, I could see interest in Williams @ #12, if we're not drafting a QB there.

    I was thinking this....and kind of like Williams....and, for a moment, thought he'd be an option for us....

    Then I realized Im one of those guys who hates WR in the first.....and thought about WR in the first 2 years in a row?......following a year we drafted 4?.....

    Then I took a deep breathe and shook that thought right outta my brain.....

    @mudfly said:

    I was thinking this....and kind of like Williams....and, for a moment, thought he'd be an option for us....

    Then I realized Im one of those guys who hates WR in the first.....and thought about WR in the first 2 years in a row?......following a year we drafted 4?.....

    Then I took a deep breathe and shook that thought right outta my brain.....

    Hey, we can be in the running for the Matt Millen award for drafting two WR busts in consecutive years. Not like there isn't top receiver talent in the first. Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, AJ Green, Julio Jones. We just draft bums in the second like Gregg Little, Mohammed Massoquoi, and Brian Robiski. Eeeeekkkk!!!! Just a few more examples of our legendary draft ineptitude. πŸ™‚

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  • hoortaH hoorta

    @mudfly said:

    I was thinking this....and kind of like Williams....and, for a moment, thought he'd be an option for us....

    Then I realized Im one of those guys who hates WR in the first.....and thought about WR in the first 2 years in a row?......following a year we drafted 4?.....

    Then I took a deep breathe and shook that thought right outta my brain.....

    Hey, we can be in the running for the Matt Millen award for drafting two WR busts in consecutive years. Not like there isn't top receiver talent in the first. Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, AJ Green, Julio Jones. We just draft bums in the second like Gregg Little, Mohammed Massoquoi, and Brian Robiski. Eeeeekkkk!!!! Just a few more examples of our legendary draft ineptitude. πŸ™‚

    @hoorta said:

    Hey, we can be in the running for the Matt Millen award for drafting two WR busts in consecutive years. Not like there isn't top receiver talent in the first. Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, AJ Green, Julio Jones. We just draft bums in the second like Gregg Little, Mohammed Massoquoi, and Brian Robiski. Eeeeekkkk!!!! Just a few more examples of our legendary draft ineptitude. πŸ™‚

    George Costanza needs to draft for the Browns and take "the opposite" every time.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @mudfly said:

    I was thinking this....and kind of like Williams....and, for a moment, thought he'd be an option for us....

    Then I realized Im one of those guys who hates WR in the first.....and thought about WR in the first 2 years in a row?......following a year we drafted 4?.....

    Then I took a deep breathe and shook that thought right outta my brain.....

    Hey, we can be in the running for the Matt Millen award for drafting two WR busts in consecutive years. Not like there isn't top receiver talent in the first. Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, AJ Green, Julio Jones. We just draft bums in the second like Gregg Little, Mohammed Massoquoi, and Brian Robiski. Eeeeekkkk!!!! Just a few more examples of our legendary draft ineptitude. πŸ™‚

    @hoorta said:

    Hey, we can be in the running for the Matt Millen award for drafting two WR busts in consecutive years. Not like there isn't top receiver talent in the first. Odell Beckham, Mike Evans, AJ Green, Julio Jones. We just draft bums in the second like Gregg Little, Mohammed Massoquoi, and Brian Robiski. Eeeeekkkk!!!! Just a few more examples of our legendary draft ineptitude by previous regimes! πŸ™‚

    Fixed.

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