Trubisky

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Mitch Trubisky sucks

Mr. Make-Believe

@hoorta said:
Why I'm not on the Kizer train. At that level you're either accurate, or you're not. Tour noted a slow wind-up too. Holding ball like a loaf of bread? Slow processing? No thanks, not even in the third.

Bingo. Physical tools mean diddly if he's deficient in these areas.

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@tour2ma said:

It got Favre his only ring...

Favre was a gunslinger his entire career - including the 96 season. He certainly didn't "hem it in" in 96 - he was chucking bombs (and TD's) left and right. If anything, he was more wild that year. His sack percentage and most measures of pass distance were much higher than his career average. Now, put a young Favre in an open QB battle and pull him at random times and switch between him and another QB and I think his career would be a little different.

I'm not saying Kizer is Brett Favre, he has his fair share of knocks. But Kizer was severely mismanaged at ND and its because Brian Kelly is pretty much one of the shittiest coaches on the planet when it comes to any sort of QB progression.

A brief recap of Brian Kelly's shitty job with ND QB's to this point:

2010 - Loses Crist halfway through the year...Rees goes undefeated in his first four games as a starter.

2011 - Declares QB competition. Immediately declares Crist the winner. Then pulls Crist at halftime of the very first game of the season and names Rees the starter for the rest of the season. Wins 8 games. Crist transfers to Kansas.

2012 - Declares QB competition...again. Redshirt freshman Golson beats out Rees for the job and helps lead them to the National Championship, which they obviously lose.

2013 - Loses Golson to suspension. Rees puts together a mediocre year.

2014 - Declares open QB competition. Names Golson the starter, wins 6 straight, falls apart. Benches Golson, names Zaire the starter.

2015 - Declares another open QB competition. Doesn't name a starter either way, then Golson transfers to FSU. Loses Zaire to broken ankle, starts Kizer who wins 8 games and loses two close games to Clemson and Stanford (and one blowout to Ohio State)

2016 - Declares another open QB competition. Doesn't really name either the starter - goes into the season with a two QB system. Kizer outperforms Zaire, gets named starter. Zaire announces he'll transfer.

If you're keeping score at home - that's seven years at ND as HC and five of them with open QB competitions. Probably would have been a sixth if Golson didn't get suspended.

/end Brian Kelly rant

Everyone is using Kizer's inability to maintain the starting job at ND as a sign that he's clearly incompetent, yet they are completely disregarding the fact that flip-flopping QB's has been the one constant of Kelly's ND coaching career.

When all is said and done, Kizer is still a very raw and inexperienced player - he's not much further in his progression than Trubisky is. Everyone is using Trubisky's lack of playing time as proof that we don't really know what he is...yet Trubisky has recorded playing time in 6 more games than Kizer and has only thrown about 100 less passes.

Kizer lost his job to Zaire in part because he played mediocre, but moreso because Brian Kelly had a boner for Zaire as a prospect. Zaire was the #3 ranked QB in his class and was considered to be a HUGE get for the ND program. Despite the fact that Kizer played better, Kelly kept leaving the door open for Zaire to take the job...which is the EXACT same thing he did with Rees and Crist. Crist was the #3 QB in his class and, despite Rees playing well in his limited time, Kelly gave the job back to Crist...who blew it again.

Kizer is damaged goods, but in a way that makes him interesting. He's not a project because he's a small school guy. He's not a project because he's a raw physical specimen who's never played the game. He's not a project because he's stupid. He's a project because he was a decent high school QB in an NFL QB's body that got jerked around for two years by a shitty coach at a huge program. During that time, he put together enough tape to still be considered a first round pick in some circles. All of that screams "diamond in the rough" to me.

All in all, I think Kizer possesses more than enough upside to warrant serious consideration if he's available at #33.

LondonBrown

@texasag1969 said:
NFL Network Total Access @7pm EDT today will analyze Mitchell's play.

Starting now so they've gone early!

LondonBrown

First thing they've shown is him talking about playing for the Browns, obviously

MLD Woody

@gumby73 said:
Happy Birthday!!State of Michigan wants their License Plate back(but your coming around )

Thank you

Never had a Michigan plate tho

MLD Woody

@the-gipper said:

You are proving to be as ignorant as your maize and blue asshole.

Do you not listen to a fucking goddamned word I have been saying?

I am all about the talent evaluation. Ohio has nothing to do with it. If I was all about Ohio I would have been on Cardale Jones' bandwagon, or Braxton Miller...or any number of other Ohio QBs?

Is it just your poor education, or are you being consciously ignorant, like #45?

You've proven to me in the past you see I'm shades of Ohio. I won't look to you for an unbiased opinion. Take that for what you will.

Tour2ma

@londonbrown said:
I have read numerous reports on him now suggesting his mechanics are flawed so it's not the only thing at all

Correct... the inexperience is, however, a significant thing...

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:
Favre was a gunslinger his entire career - including the 96 season. He certainly didn't "hem it in" in 96 - he was chucking bombs (and TD's) left and right. If anything, he was more wild that year. His sack percentage and most measures of pass distance were much higher than his career average.

I just remember the story of Reggie White going to Favre before the '96 season and telling him he did not need to play as if he had to "win" every game single-handedly.

That year the GB Defense was #1 in points allowed and yards allowed. Favre's completion percentage was the lowest to that point in his career... he was actually throwing balls away.

RoyceRolls

My concerns about Mitch have nothing to do with inexperience, I'm more worried that he sounds like he huffs spray paint and looks like the poster child for fetal alcohol syndrome.

Orion

I'd like to know what 'The Harvard Analytic Committee' thinks our QB situation is.

Were they serious when trading for Osweiler and his contract?

Are they ok with going into the season with the winner of the Ostrich, Kessler & Hogan battle? - They have shown a tendency for trying the half-washed-up QB (RG3 / Ostrich).

And does their scientific calculators give Garappollo any value over and above Trubiski?

gumby73

@orion said:
Are they ok with going into the season with the winner of the Garappallo,Ostrich, & Kessler.

FIFY..Yes.we will be fine

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:
You've proven to me in the past you see I'm shades of Ohio. I won't look to you for an unbiased opinion. Take that for what you will.

In many areas, yes, my opinion is biased about Ohio. Just like where you can't get your nose stuck out of your maize and blue sphincter. Hell, you couldn't even name some of the best QBs that came out of any other school.

But in this case, I am not biased. Like I said, there have been a dozen other QBs from the area whose jock I could have been on but was not. I am on this guy's jock because of his potential talent. Plain and simple.

Look, I have had my biases in the past. Let's see, I was all in favor of one of our local teams drafting a local product because he was a high school classmate of my nephew. Let me think...what was that guys name? Oh yea, I remember now....his name was LeBron James.

I thought that kid was pretty talented and I wanted the Cavaliers to draft him. Turns out I was right.....do you disagree?

The Gipper

By the way, I believe that today is the North Carolina Pro Day.

Have we heard from the Browns on who is attending?

And I wonder this: Did Hue refuse to attend Watson's Pro Day because Watson refused to come play in the Senior Bowl which Hue was coaching?

Was there a bit of tit for that there?

LondonBrown

It's young Mitchell's workout today at his pro day. Assume it'll be on NFL Network

D Bone

Hopefully Mitch/Mitchell/Michele - whatever, isn't picked off today as that would be embarrassing.

Also: Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown skipping Mitch Trubisky's Pro Day today

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/hue_jackson_and_sashi_brown_sk.html

Tour2ma

@d-bone said:
Also: Hue Jackson and Sashi Brown skipping Mitch Trubisky's Pro Day today

Who brings the water bottle to all these QB pro days we're skipping?

MLD Woody

@the-gipper said:

In many areas, yes, my opinion is biased about Ohio. Just like where you can't get your nose stuck out of your maize and blue sphincter. Hell, you couldn't even name some of the best QBs that came out of any other school.

But in this case, I am not biased. Like I said, there have been a dozen other QBs from the area whose jock I could have been on but was not. I am on this guy's jock because of his potential talent. Plain and simple.

Look, I have had my biases in the past. Let's see, I was all in favor of one of our local teams drafting a local product because he was a high school classmate of my nephew. Let me think...what was that guys name? Oh yea, I remember now....his name was LeBron James.

I thought that kid was pretty talented and I wanted the Cavaliers to draft him. Turns out I was right.....do you disagree?

I chose not to list anymore.

I may have some Michigan bias, but I'm pretty level headed compared to how some treat OSU around here

You sealed the deal in our "conversation" about colleges forever ago

The Gipper

@mld-woody said:

I chose not to list anymore.

I may have some Michigan bias, but I'm pretty level headed compared to how some treat OSU around here

You sealed the deal in our "conversation" about colleges forever ago

Yes, I did. I signed, sealed and delivered that conversation. I know a lot more about colleges and their worthiness than you ever will. Well, maybe not ever. Some day you may have kids and you will have to evaluate colleges like I had to. Though, maybe in your case your maize and glazed eyes will make you insist on them going to your school.

I was not that venal.....and I also knew that the schools I attended were not a well rated academically as the schools I sent my kids to. Also, in my case, my kids had close to total control over where they went....subject to my approval.

I sent my son to THE top academic college in the state. (and certainly better than the school you went to) (and it was his choice to stay in state and not go out of state). And now he is in the process of getting his Ph.D. from an Ivy League school (Cornell). I sent my daughter to perhaps the #2 academic school in the state of Texas (second only to Rice). And in its class, it is considered the #1 regional university in the entire southwest USA. Her choice, but again subject my approval (and it warranted approval).

So don't even think for a moment that you know more about what constitutes a quality education than I do.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-universities-west

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@the-gipper said:

In many areas, yes, my opinion is biased about Ohio. Just like where you can't get your nose stuck out of your maize and blue sphincter. Hell, you couldn't even name some of the best QBs that came out of any other school.

But in this case, I am not biased. Like I said, there have been a dozen other QBs from the area whose jock I could have been on but was not. I am on this guy's jock because of his potential talent. Plain and simple.

Look, I have had my biases in the past. Let's see, I was all in favor of one of our local teams drafting a local product because he was a high school classmate of my nephew. Let me think...what was that guys name? Oh yea, I remember now....his name was LeBron James.

I thought that kid was pretty talented and I wanted the Cavaliers to draft him. Turns out I was right.....do you disagree?

Yeah man, you really nailed that underrated LeBron James pick. Nobody had even heard of the guy. Really took a chance when the Cavs took him.

Woody, just let it go man. It's not worth wasting your time. The guy is equating Trubisky to LeBron James.

TexasAg1969

Found a great quote for you today Gip. Pulitzer Prize winning novel The Sympathizer by Viet Thanh Nguyen, "I had an abiding respect for the professionalism of career prostitutes, who wore their dishonesty more openly than lawyers, both of whom bill by the hour." LOL!