OK, just announce we're taking Garrett....
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wasnt sheards firstbyear pretty good when he was DE? Then got turned into olb'er
wasnt sheards firstbyear pretty good when he was DE? Then got turned into olb'er
Yes. He had 8.5 sacks his rookie season at DE...turned into an OLB by our brilliant DCs, and his sacks curtailed. When he went to NE he went back to DE and his sacks went up again.
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Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
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Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
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Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
So if the Browns don't chose him he turns into Khalil Mack and if they do he turns into Soupy Sales?
Clowney had a lot of hype, but once he recovered from injuries he lived up to it despite not having JJ Watt to take the heat off him. And this was after he played his last year at S.C. not to get hurt.
Overthinking has killed the Browns forever. Just once don't do it that way again.
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Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
So if the Browns don't chose him he turns into Khalil Mack and if they do he turns into Soupy Sales?
Clowney had a lot of hype, but once he recovered from injuries he lived up to it despite not having JJ Watt to take the heat off him. And this was after he played his last year at S.C. not to get hurt.
Overthinking has killed the Browns forever. Just once don't do it that way again.
So if the Browns don't chose him he turns into Khalil Mack and if they do he turns into Soupy Sales?
Clowney had a lot of hype, but once he recovered from injuries he lived up to it despite not having JJ Watt to take the heat off him. And this was after he played his last year at S.C. not to get hurt.
Overthinking has killed the Browns forever. Just once don't do it that way again.
I certainly understand your way of thinking here. I guess it's just one of the reasons I hate the first pick in the draft. A-Team rightfully expect that guy to start and contribute at a high level right out of the gate. Anything less is a disappointment anything mediocre is a bust the haunt you for years. And yes it's the best bet.
WSS
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Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
I should trust a guy who wanted Deshawn Watson @ #1 overall over Garrett? The Plain Dealer's football staff has sunk to new depths. Not just that AG, they let Mary Kay spew her irrational school girl crush on Jimmy Garropolo on a regular basis.
Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
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Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
I should trust a guy who wanted Deshawn Watson @ #1 overall over Garrett? The Plain Dealer's football staff has sunk to new depths. Not just that AG, they let Mary Kay spew her irrational school girl crush on Jimmy Garropolo on a regular basis.
Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
And Im not a big Mitch guy.....at all......BUT, if the Browns think he's their guy and plan to take him at #12....they are fools to pass and wait....
You dont pass on your future QB to tap a DE first.....(esp in a draft FULL of DL talent)......
Overall, Id prefer they draft D early and often and Im not enamored with any of the QB's this year.....but if mitch is their guy, then they shouldnt wait til 12.....
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Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
And Im not a big Mitch guy.....at all......BUT, if the Browns think he's their guy and plan to take him at #12....they are fools to pass and wait....
You dont pass on your future QB to tap a DE first.....(esp in a draft FULL of DL talent)......
Overall, Id prefer they draft D early and often and Im not enamored with any of the QB's this year.....but if mitch is their guy, then they shouldnt wait til 12.....
And Im not a big Mitch guy.....at all......BUT, if the Browns think KNOW he's their guy and plan to take him at #12....they are fools to pass and wait....
You dont pass on your future QB to tap a DE first.....(esp in a draft FULL of DL talent)......
Overall, Id prefer they draft D early and often and Im not enamored with any of the QB's this year.....but if mitch is their guy, then they shouldnt wait til 12.....
FIFY...
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If you know you can get him later but you can't get Garrett later, how are you a fool to take both?
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My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
It's looking more and more like Mr. Biscuit is going to fall out of the top 10, not that I'm an expert or anything.
Though you have to be in the top 10 to fall out of it, not sure he was ever there.
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My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
You obviously don't read my posts. I said that any player that we take at #1 overall is a 50/50 proposition.....including Trubisky...including Gayrett.
I do say that MT is as good a prospect that has come out in years....but he is still a prospect. I said that if you want a franchise QB you have to take a risk. What did you think I was talking about with those words: "take a risk". Of course its a risk.
I am the one that has tried to cool the jets on all the Gays for Gayrett who claim he is a no doubt sure fire Hall of Fame talent.
Well, so, theoretically were these guys:
1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns —
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns —
2001 Michael Vick* QB Virginia Tech ]
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2003 Carson Palmer* QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
2004 Eli Manning*[A 13] QB Ole Miss San Diego Chargers
2005 Alex Smith* QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2006 Mario Williams* DE North Carolina State Houston Texans
JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders —
2008 Jake Long* T Michigan Miami Dolphins
2009 Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2010Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2011 Cam Newton* QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2012 Andrew Luck* QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2013 Eric Fisher T Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs —
2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans
2015 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
There is a mixed bag there.
All QBs certainly didn't live up to their #1 status. And, I would say that none of the DEs have lived up to their defensive status...so far. Maybe Clowney has a chance.
So taking the "sure fire" DE is no less risky than taking the "sure fire" QB.
Lets ask ourselves....of all the #1 overall draft picks listed above...how many at this point are in fact "Sure fire Hall of Fame" players.
I see exactly NONE. Eli is closest at this point.
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My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
You obviously don't read my posts. I said that any player that we take at #1 overall is a 50/50 proposition.....including Trubisky...including Gayrett.
I do say that MT is as good a prospect that has come out in years....but he is still a prospect. I said that if you want a franchise QB you have to take a risk. What did you think I was talking about with those words: "take a risk". Of course its a risk.
I am the one that has tried to cool the jets on all the Gays for Gayrett who claim he is a no doubt sure fire Hall of Fame talent.
Well, so, theoretically were these guys:
1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns —
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns —
2001 Michael Vick* QB Virginia Tech ]
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2003 Carson Palmer* QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
2004 Eli Manning*[A 13] QB Ole Miss San Diego Chargers
2005 Alex Smith* QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2006 Mario Williams* DE North Carolina State Houston Texans
JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders —
2008 Jake Long* T Michigan Miami Dolphins
2009 Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2010Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2011 Cam Newton* QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2012 Andrew Luck* QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2013 Eric Fisher T Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs —
2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans
2015 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
There is a mixed bag there.
All QBs certainly didn't live up to their #1 status. And, I would say that none of the DEs have lived up to their defensive status...so far. Maybe Clowney has a chance.
So taking the "sure fire" DE is no less risky than taking the "sure fire" QB.
Lets ask ourselves....of all the #1 overall draft picks listed above...how many at this point are in fact "Sure fire Hall of Fame" players.
I see exactly NONE. Eli is closest at this point.
You obviously don't read my posts. I said that any player that we take at #1 overall is a 50/50 proposition.....including Trubisky...including Gayrett.
I do say that MT is as good a prospect that has come out in years....but he is still a prospect. I said that if you want a franchise QB you have to take a risk. What did you think I was talking about with those words: "take a risk". Of course its a risk.
I am the one that has tried to cool the jets on all the Gays for Gayrett who claim he is a no doubt sure fire Hall of Fame talent.
Well, so, theoretically were these guys:
1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns —
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns —
2001 Michael Vick* QB Virginia Tech ]
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2003 Carson Palmer* QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
2004 Eli Manning*[A 13] QB Ole Miss San Diego Chargers
2005 Alex Smith* QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2006 Mario Williams* DE North Carolina State Houston Texans
JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders —
2008 Jake Long* T Michigan Miami Dolphins
2009 Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2010Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2011 Cam Newton* QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2012 Andrew Luck* QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2013 Eric Fisher T Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs —
2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans
2015 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
There is a mixed bag there.
All QBs certainly didn't live up to their #1 status. And, I would say that none of the DEs have lived up to their defensive status...so far. Maybe Clowney has a chance.
So taking the "sure fire" DE is no less risky than taking the "sure fire" QB.
Lets ask ourselves....of all the #1 overall draft picks listed above...how many at this point are in fact "Sure fire Hall of Fame" players.
I see exactly NONE. Eli is closest at this point.
Got it, so we shouldn't take a QB at #1 because, as you've pointed out, none of them are surefire Hall of Famers. We can just grab one at #12 or later, since it's at best a 50/50 shot anyway.
Glad to see you jumped over to the logical camp.
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You obviously don't read my posts. I said that any player that we take at #1 overall is a 50/50 proposition.....including Trubisky...including Gayrett.
I do say that MT is as good a prospect that has come out in years....but he is still a prospect. I said that if you want a franchise QB you have to take a risk. What did you think I was talking about with those words: "take a risk". Of course its a risk.
I am the one that has tried to cool the jets on all the Gays for Gayrett who claim he is a no doubt sure fire Hall of Fame talent.
Well, so, theoretically were these guys:
1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns —
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns —
2001 Michael Vick* QB Virginia Tech ]
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2003 Carson Palmer* QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
2004 Eli Manning*[A 13] QB Ole Miss San Diego Chargers
2005 Alex Smith* QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2006 Mario Williams* DE North Carolina State Houston Texans
JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders —
2008 Jake Long* T Michigan Miami Dolphins
2009 Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2010Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2011 Cam Newton* QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2012 Andrew Luck* QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2013 Eric Fisher T Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs —
2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans
2015 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
There is a mixed bag there.
All QBs certainly didn't live up to their #1 status. And, I would say that none of the DEs have lived up to their defensive status...so far. Maybe Clowney has a chance.
So taking the "sure fire" DE is no less risky than taking the "sure fire" QB.
Lets ask ourselves....of all the #1 overall draft picks listed above...how many at this point are in fact "Sure fire Hall of Fame" players.
I see exactly NONE. Eli is closest at this point.
Got it, so we shouldn't take a QB at #1 because, as you've pointed out, none of them are surefire Hall of Famers. We can just grab one at #12 or later, since it's at best a 50/50 shot anyway.
Glad to see you jumped over to the logical camp.
Got it, so we shouldn't take a QB at #1 because, as you've pointed out, none of them are surefire Hall of Famers. We can just grab one at #12 or later, since it's at best a 50/50 shot anyway.
Glad to see you jumped over to the logical camp.
Again....you are either being completely moronic...or simply perverse. EVERY position you take.....QB, DE, OT, ....is a risk. So we should not take a DE either....by YOUR logic.
Half the QBs were flops, half the OTs were flops, half the DEs were flops.
So....maybe we should just trade down.
I am still not necessarily opposed to doing a trade down: #1 to the Tits for #5 and #18?
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All of u expecting 4 sacks out of garett his first game need to step back a moment. He is not as of now as NFL ready as mack or bosa were....but his ceiling is potentially higher. We have nassib and ogbah whom im expecting to do the heavy lifting early on and garett comes in on pass rushing downs. And i want that to go on for awhile. I dont want garett thrown in there on day one and gets himself in an awkward pile and boom something blows out.
The nfl game is different than college, the physics is different. Those situations u could throw urself into in college will get u fucked up in the nfl. They teach different footwork to the guys on tjeblines for that reason so that their knees are less exposed. This takes time to learn.
Im not going to be calling garett a bust mudeay through next seadon when he may only have a sack or two. That way if he exceeds that expectation ill be pleasantly surprised.
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Got it, so we shouldn't take a QB at #1 because, as you've pointed out, none of them are surefire Hall of Famers. We can just grab one at #12 or later, since it's at best a 50/50 shot anyway.
Glad to see you jumped over to the logical camp.
Again....you are either being completely moronic...or simply perverse. EVERY position you take.....QB, DE, OT, ....is a risk. So we should not take a DE either....by YOUR logic.
Half the QBs were flops, half the OTs were flops, half the DEs were flops.
So....maybe we should just trade down.
I am still not necessarily opposed to doing a trade down: #1 to the Tits for #5 and #18?
Oh god no not again. We need to stockpile elite talent, trading down never works for us. Trading down cost is mack and bosa.....just contemplate for a moment either of those two, or both (delirious thoughts), being on the browns?
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Oh god no not again. We need to stockpile elite talent, trading down never works for us. Trading down cost is mack and bosa.....just contemplate for a moment either of those two, or both (delirious thoughts), being on the browns?
Oh god no not again. We need to stockpile elite talent, trading down never works for us. Trading down cost is mack and bosa.....just contemplate for a moment either of those two, or both (delirious thoughts), being on the browns?
Bosa was gone we never had a chance of getting him
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Got it, so we shouldn't take a QB at #1 because, as you've pointed out, none of them are surefire Hall of Famers. We can just grab one at #12 or later, since it's at best a 50/50 shot anyway.
Glad to see you jumped over to the logical camp.
Again....you are either being completely moronic...or simply perverse. EVERY position you take.....QB, DE, OT, ....is a risk. So we should not take a DE either....by YOUR logic.
Half the QBs were flops, half the OTs were flops, half the DEs were flops.
So....maybe we should just trade down.
I am still not necessarily opposed to doing a trade down: #1 to the Tits for #5 and #18?
Again....you are either being completely moronic...or simply perverse. EVERY position you take.....QB, DE, OT, ....is a risk. So we should not take a DE either....by YOUR logic.
Half the QBs were flops, half the OTs were flops, half the DEs were flops.
So....maybe we should just trade down.
I am still not necessarily opposed to doing a trade down: #1 to the Tits for #5 and #18?
If the odds are 50/50 regardless of position, why would you not take the highest rated player regardless of position?
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Again....you are either being completely moronic...or simply perverse. EVERY position you take.....QB, DE, OT, ....is a risk. So we should not take a DE either....by YOUR logic.
Half the QBs were flops, half the OTs were flops, half the DEs were flops.
So....maybe we should just trade down.
I am still not necessarily opposed to doing a trade down: #1 to the Tits for #5 and #18?
If the odds are 50/50 regardless of position, why would you not take the highest rated player regardless of position?
If the odds are 50/50 regardless of position, why would you not take the highest rated player regardless of position?
Because this is the Browns. It's what they do....................................Q the chainsaw ad (Are you crazy, not the running car!).
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Oh god no not again. We need to stockpile elite talent, trading down never works for us. Trading down cost is mack and bosa.....just contemplate for a moment either of those two, or both (delirious thoughts), being on the browns?
Bosa was gone we never had a chance of getting him
Bosa was gone we never had a chance of getting him
Not true. The Browns had the #2 pick. Could have picked him. They traded #2 to the Eagles. Then SD took Bosa with pick #3.
Yes, they could have had Bosa with pick #2...which IS what I wanted.
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