OK, just announce we're taking Garrett....
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I like what 99% of people are saying. I have low patience for someone who doesn't contribute anything but the same exact talking point in every thread.
I get it. You don't like being on the losing end of an argument.
YOU say the exact same things over and over. I have merely responded. If you don't like the same response, then don't you keep making the same points over and over.
You just now complained about that fact that I did NOT repeat my arguments over again in response to TC. So do you also have impatience when an argument goes in a new direction as well?
Make up your mind.
I get it. You don't like being on the losing end of an argument.
YOU say the exact same things over and over. I have merely responded. If you don't like the same response, then don't you keep making the same points over and over.
You just now complained about that fact that I did NOT repeat my arguments over again in response to TC. So do you also have impatience when an argument goes in a new direction as well?
Make up your mind.
A good ole fashioned "I know you are, but what am I?" counterargument? They teach you that one in law school?
You don't even know which camp I'm in but I have been repeating myself? Okie dokie.
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Who was the last pass rushing bust NOT drafted by the browns?
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Dion Jordan?
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I get it. You don't like being on the losing end of an argument.
YOU say the exact same things over and over. I have merely responded. If you don't like the same response, then don't you keep making the same points over and over.
You just now complained about that fact that I did NOT repeat my arguments over again in response to TC. So do you also have impatience when an argument goes in a new direction as well?
Make up your mind.
A good ole fashioned "I know you are, but what am I?" counterargument? They teach you that one in law school?
You don't even know which camp I'm in but I have been repeating myself? Okie dokie.
A good ole fashioned "I know you are, but what am I?" counterargument? They teach you that one in law school?
You don't even know which camp I'm in but I have been repeating myself? Okie dokie.
You just repeated yourself again for the third time telling me that you don't know which camp you are in....and I accepted it the first time.
So...yes Okie, you are repeating yourself (does a guy from Texas like being called an Okie? That is what I will call you from now on)
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When you mischaracterize my position, I will point it out.
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Who was the last pass rushing bust NOT drafted by the browns?
Who was the last pass rushing bust NOT drafted by the browns?
Maybe Rob Burnett....1990? He had 40.5 sacks in 6 years with the Browns. that is 6.75 per year.
For a 7th round pick...Armonty Bryant was not a "bust" really. It seemed like he could have been a good pass rusher. Other issues got in his way.
Would Jaball Sheard count? He had 23 sacks in his 4 years with the Browns. Not great at 5.75 sacks a year...but not a "bust".
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When you mischaracterize my position, I will point it out.
Okie Dokie Okie.
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wasnt sheards firstbyear pretty good when he was DE? Then got turned into olb'er
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wasnt sheards firstbyear pretty good when he was DE? Then got turned into olb'er
wasnt sheards firstbyear pretty good when he was DE? Then got turned into olb'er
Yes. He had 8.5 sacks his rookie season at DE...turned into an OLB by our brilliant DCs, and his sacks curtailed. When he went to NE he went back to DE and his sacks went up again.
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Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
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Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
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Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
So if the Browns don't chose him he turns into Khalil Mack and if they do he turns into Soupy Sales?
Clowney had a lot of hype, but once he recovered from injuries he lived up to it despite not having JJ Watt to take the heat off him. And this was after he played his last year at S.C. not to get hurt.
Overthinking has killed the Browns forever. Just once don't do it that way again.
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Don't know why but I have a vague feeling of unease about Garrett.
Maybe it's that Universal opinion that he's the greatest thing since sliced corned beef.
Players really live up to that kind of hype... Just saying
WSS
So if the Browns don't chose him he turns into Khalil Mack and if they do he turns into Soupy Sales?
Clowney had a lot of hype, but once he recovered from injuries he lived up to it despite not having JJ Watt to take the heat off him. And this was after he played his last year at S.C. not to get hurt.
Overthinking has killed the Browns forever. Just once don't do it that way again.
So if the Browns don't chose him he turns into Khalil Mack and if they do he turns into Soupy Sales?
Clowney had a lot of hype, but once he recovered from injuries he lived up to it despite not having JJ Watt to take the heat off him. And this was after he played his last year at S.C. not to get hurt.
Overthinking has killed the Browns forever. Just once don't do it that way again.
I certainly understand your way of thinking here. I guess it's just one of the reasons I hate the first pick in the draft. A-Team rightfully expect that guy to start and contribute at a high level right out of the gate. Anything less is a disappointment anything mediocre is a bust the haunt you for years. And yes it's the best bet.
WSS
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Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
I should trust a guy who wanted Deshawn Watson @ #1 overall over Garrett? The Plain Dealer's football staff has sunk to new depths. Not just that AG, they let Mary Kay spew her irrational school girl crush on Jimmy Garropolo on a regular basis.
Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
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Labbe changes his mind-see videos
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/03/the_browns_shouldnt_hesitate_t.html
I should trust a guy who wanted Deshawn Watson @ #1 overall over Garrett? The Plain Dealer's football staff has sunk to new depths. Not just that AG, they let Mary Kay spew her irrational school girl crush on Jimmy Garropolo on a regular basis.
Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
And Im not a big Mitch guy.....at all......BUT, if the Browns think he's their guy and plan to take him at #12....they are fools to pass and wait....
You dont pass on your future QB to tap a DE first.....(esp in a draft FULL of DL talent)......
Overall, Id prefer they draft D early and often and Im not enamored with any of the QB's this year.....but if mitch is their guy, then they shouldnt wait til 12.....
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Even though I'm one of the top Mitch supporters around here, the Browns taking him over Garrett would be either the boldest move ever, or the dumbest.
And Im not a big Mitch guy.....at all......BUT, if the Browns think he's their guy and plan to take him at #12....they are fools to pass and wait....
You dont pass on your future QB to tap a DE first.....(esp in a draft FULL of DL talent)......
Overall, Id prefer they draft D early and often and Im not enamored with any of the QB's this year.....but if mitch is their guy, then they shouldnt wait til 12.....
And Im not a big Mitch guy.....at all......BUT, if the Browns think KNOW he's their guy and plan to take him at #12....they are fools to pass and wait....
You dont pass on your future QB to tap a DE first.....(esp in a draft FULL of DL talent)......
Overall, Id prefer they draft D early and often and Im not enamored with any of the QB's this year.....but if mitch is their guy, then they shouldnt wait til 12.....
FIFY...
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If you know you can get him later but you can't get Garrett later, how are you a fool to take both?
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My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
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It's looking more and more like Mr. Biscuit is going to fall out of the top 10, not that I'm an expert or anything.
Though you have to be in the top 10 to fall out of it, not sure he was ever there.
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My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
My point to the case being made to take Trubs at #1, so you stand no chance of missing him, is you have to know to as close to an absolute certainty as is humanly possible, that Trubs is "the one".
It was not about "knowing" he'll be there at 12.
So the question is is Trubs as much of a slam-dunk, franchise-plus, all-pro prospect for decades as Gip believes? Or is he at best a 50/50 shot as most of the rest of the Trub optimists here believe? And which camp is the FO in?
If the former, then he's in the same top grouping as Garrett, and by virtue of the positional importance tie-breaker, you take him #1 overall.
If not, you don't.
And I am in Camp don't...
You obviously don't read my posts. I said that any player that we take at #1 overall is a 50/50 proposition.....including Trubisky...including Gayrett.
I do say that MT is as good a prospect that has come out in years....but he is still a prospect. I said that if you want a franchise QB you have to take a risk. What did you think I was talking about with those words: "take a risk". Of course its a risk.
I am the one that has tried to cool the jets on all the Gays for Gayrett who claim he is a no doubt sure fire Hall of Fame talent.
Well, so, theoretically were these guys:
1999 Tim Couch QB Kentucky Cleveland Browns —
2000 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Cleveland Browns —
2001 Michael Vick* QB Virginia Tech ]
2002 David Carr QB Fresno State Houston Texans
2003 Carson Palmer* QB USC Cincinnati Bengals
2004 Eli Manning*[A 13] QB Ole Miss San Diego Chargers
2005 Alex Smith* QB Utah San Francisco 49ers
2006 Mario Williams* DE North Carolina State Houston Texans
JaMarcus Russell QB LSU Oakland Raiders —
2008 Jake Long* T Michigan Miami Dolphins
2009 Matthew Stafford* QB Georgia Detroit Lions
2010Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma St. Louis Rams
2011 Cam Newton* QB Auburn Carolina Panthers
2012 Andrew Luck* QB Stanford Indianapolis Colts
2013 Eric Fisher T Central Michigan Kansas City Chiefs —
2014 Jadeveon Clowney DE South Carolina Houston Texans
2015 Jameis Winston QB Florida State Tampa Bay Buccaneers
2016 Jared Goff QB California Los Angeles Rams
There is a mixed bag there.
All QBs certainly didn't live up to their #1 status. And, I would say that none of the DEs have lived up to their defensive status...so far. Maybe Clowney has a chance.
So taking the "sure fire" DE is no less risky than taking the "sure fire" QB.
Lets ask ourselves....of all the #1 overall draft picks listed above...how many at this point are in fact "Sure fire Hall of Fame" players.
I see exactly NONE. Eli is closest at this point.
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