Here's An Article for Mud... Cleveland Browns need a safety - 7 best NFL Draft options
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Im all good with this one Tour.....and you KNOW Im praying for a FS......and, if I can have Adams, Ill take a SS too......
One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
Im not too high on our current SS group....BUT....they are 2 youngsters who have shown some potential....so, if we are going to address only one safety position, lets make it FS and see if Campbell and Kindred can grow into the SS role.....especially since SS is more smash mouth tackler and requires a little less coverage skills and technique.....
Im all good with this one Tour.....and you KNOW Im praying for a FS......and, if I can have Adams, Ill take a SS too......
One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
Im not too high on our current SS group....BUT....they are 2 youngsters who have shown some potential....so, if we are going to address only one safety position, lets make it FS and see if Campbell and Kindred can grow into the SS role.....especially since SS is more smash mouth tackler and requires a little less coverage skills and technique.....
If we go SS with Adams, I'd like to see more of a center fielder from my FS.
I think we need a guy back there who is rangy, quick, can challenge receivers in the air, and has a nose for the ball.
I think Williams fits that profile the best.
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Im all good with this one Tour.....and you KNOW Im praying for a FS......and, if I can have Adams, Ill take a SS too......
One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
Im not too high on our current SS group....BUT....they are 2 youngsters who have shown some potential....so, if we are going to address only one safety position, lets make it FS and see if Campbell and Kindred can grow into the SS role.....especially since SS is more smash mouth tackler and requires a little less coverage skills and technique.....
If we go SS with Adams, I'd like to see more of a center fielder from my FS.
I think we need a guy back there who is rangy, quick, can challenge receivers in the air, and has a nose for the ball.
I think Williams fits that profile the best.
If we go SS with Adams, I'd like to see more of a center fielder from my FS.
I think we need a guy back there who is rangy, quick, can challenge receivers in the air, and has a nose for the ball.
I think Williams fits that profile the best.
6'1>5'10 when the nose for ball meets challenge receiver in air..am just not sold on Budda's 5'10.watching Haden getting beat repeatedly on high throws outside may have done it
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Im all good with this one Tour.....and you KNOW Im praying for a FS......and, if I can have Adams, Ill take a SS too......
One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
Im not too high on our current SS group....BUT....they are 2 youngsters who have shown some potential....so, if we are going to address only one safety position, lets make it FS and see if Campbell and Kindred can grow into the SS role.....especially since SS is more smash mouth tackler and requires a little less coverage skills and technique.....
If we go SS with Adams, I'd like to see more of a center fielder from my FS.
I think we need a guy back there who is rangy, quick, can challenge receivers in the air, and has a nose for the ball.
I think Williams fits that profile the best.
If we go SS with Adams, I'd like to see more of a center fielder from my FS.
I think we need a guy back there who is rangy, quick, can challenge receivers in the air, and has a nose for the ball.
I think Williams fits that profile the best.
Righto....I definitely see FS as that rangy center fielder you're describing.....and agree we we need that guy, Adams or not...
To me, Williams looks great.....along with a few others(just a really talented group this year).....and Id say he is the most "prototype" of the group....just looks like a FS should look and has the most balanced game(yes, even more balanced than Hooker).....
6'1>5'10 when the nose for ball meets challenge receiver in air..am just not sold on Budda's 5'10.watching Haden getting beat repeatedly on high throws outside may have done it
Budda might be short in stature....but he isnt short on making plays or knocking your teeth out......He has the best short game of ALL the FS group....plays the run well.....a complete safety, less 2 inches
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If we go SS with Adams, I'd like to see more of a center fielder from my FS.
I think we need a guy back there who is rangy, quick, can challenge receivers in the air, and has a nose for the ball.
I think Williams fits that profile the best.
Righto....I definitely see FS as that rangy center fielder you're describing.....and agree we we need that guy, Adams or not...
To me, Williams looks great.....along with a few others(just a really talented group this year).....and Id say he is the most "prototype" of the group....just looks like a FS should look and has the most balanced game(yes, even more balanced than Hooker).....
6'1>5'10 when the nose for ball meets challenge receiver in air..am just not sold on Budda's 5'10.watching Haden getting beat repeatedly on high throws outside may have done it
Budda might be short in stature....but he isnt short on making plays or knocking your teeth out......He has the best short game of ALL the FS group....plays the run well.....a complete safety, less 2 inches
Budda might be short in stature....but he isnt short on making plays or knocking your teeth out......He has the best short game of ALL the FS group....plays the run well.....a complete safety, less 2 inches
as long as am not forced to watch a 5'11" no wrap,arm tackling,bounce off a guy like a gerbil peppers..I think I can fight my way threw it.
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Budda might be short in stature....but he isnt short on making plays or knocking your teeth out......He has the best short game of ALL the FS group....plays the run well.....a complete safety, less 2 inches
as long as am not forced to watch a 5'11" no wrap,arm tackling,bounce off a guy like a gerbil peppers..I think I can fight my way threw it.
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I don't hate Jabrill as a defensive weapon with some creative uses in sub packages.
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... and in a related article...
Malik Hooker in the 2017 NFL Draft: 5 reasons the Browns should not pick him
Summary of article's "points" in answer to opening question: Should the Browns draft Malik Hooker at No. 12?- If your QB is available, forget it.
- Do you really take a one-year starter this high?
- What about his injury?
- The downside of Hooker's game. (tackling ability)
- Can you maximize value and get a safety later?
http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/04/malik_hooker_in_the_2017_nfl_d.html
Couple of things I read the article and its hard to argue with the guys first point. If you really believe the qb of the future is sitting there at 12 you have to take him, but if the browns are so sure of said qb being the guy why wouldn't they have taken him at number one instead of risking him falling to number 12.... and in a related article...
Malik Hooker in the 2017 NFL Draft: 5 reasons the Browns should not pick him
Summary of article's "points" in answer to opening question: Should the Browns draft Malik Hooker at No. 12?
- If your QB is available, forget it.
- Do you really take a one-year starter this high?
- What about his injury?
- The downside of Hooker's game. (tackling ability)
- Can you maximize value and get a safety later?
The one year starter thing is just complete garbage as in his first point he is advocating taking a one year starter at the qb position if he is your guy. So doesn't the same ring true for Hooker?
You never know how a player is going to recover from surgery but it is considered minor surgery now a days. The fact he played the last half the season with a sports hernia and bowl game with torn labrum and did so very well speaks to his toughness.
The tackling thing is very nitpicky. He is more than willing to stick his nose in on run plays and hit receivers coming over the middle. He would just rather make a play on the ball thrown over the middle. He's not a huge hitter by any stretch but he was a pretty sure tackler in college. I don't recall very many missed tackles from him unlike the free safety we just picked up from osu who played in front of him the previous year.
Edit I read report said he had 13 missed tackles which is more than i expected. Report is wrong on tackles though as it said he had 17 when he actually had 74.
The draft is very deep at safety. I fully agree you could be able to maximize value and go safety later. Literally can't argue this lol. Unless you try to solve both positions by going hooker at 12 and Jones with a pick in second round
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Keep your eye on Eddie Jackson from Bama-I had him as my "steal" of the draft @ 108 for a reason, but I think he's gone before then. He dropped only because he broke a leg and that means nothing in the long run. Not a knee or a neck. Normally he goes in round 2 IMO.
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Im all good with this one Tour.....and you KNOW Im praying for a FS......and, if I can have Adams, Ill take a SS too......
One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
Im not too high on our current SS group....BUT....they are 2 youngsters who have shown some potential....so, if we are going to address only one safety position, lets make it FS and see if Campbell and Kindred can grow into the SS role.....especially since SS is more smash mouth tackler and requires a little less coverage skills and technique.....
One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
I like Maye as well and he was in many of my early FirstPick efforts... then I "discovered" Williams..
My impression of this Safety class is that if there is one who has the potential of playing either position, it's Adams... and his Pro-Day 40 only confirmed that. While he's not in Hooker's ball-skill class (who is?), he stacks up favorably with the rest of the FS class IMO.
While it can be argued that to use Adams at FS would be to underutilize him, if doing so got your best tandem on the field, I think I could live with that until we found our FS down the road. Could even spawn FA interest at the thought of being paired with the LSU kid.
Thoughts?
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That Obi dude is like 6 foot 4. Pretty rangy. Would be a solid FS for us if he falls in the second.. Something to consider if your DePo & Co.
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That Obi dude is like 6 foot 4. Pretty rangy. Would be a solid FS for us if he falls in the second.. Something to consider if your DePo & Co.
That Obi dude is like 6 foot 4. Pretty rangy. Would be a solid FS for us if he falls in the second.. Something to consider if your DePo & Co.
Haven't heard talk about converting Obi to FS. He was an SS at UConn.
I have agility concerns about Obi. His "close" in the Sr. Bowl in the redzone to stone a WR square-in was impressive, but it was a straight line close...
Does that make it a "close-line"?
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I dont hate the idea of a safety at 12. If the top two safeties are gone and no qb we like, howard gone too, than to me peppers has to be the pick. Im really high on that kid. I know he didnt play safety much at michigan but how hard could it be to teach him seeing as he already played all over the place on offense and defense. Kid is obviously smart and teachable and one of the better athletes in the draft. Durable too right? Im not aware of major injury history with him but i could be wrong.
I just love the idea of a hybrid safety/ lb like him that can up into the box and hold his iwn but also easily recover back if needed. Kids a stud
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I'm a huge fan of the Safety position. Like BB said when he drafted Eric Turner up near the top of the draft - it all starts in the middle. And we've seen our share of Ed Reed and Pollyneedsahaircut over the years to see how important the Safety position can be in the AFC North.
Here's a stud at SS (Lorenzo Jerome from St Francis in PA) that could be on our door step in round 4 or 5. He caused 3 turnovers at the Senior Bowl (and I think he got all 3 of them). It was quite a first impression he gave me at the Senior Bowl. About 3 or 4 times he was the answer to "WHO THE HAIL WAS THAT?" What he lacks in height - he makes up for in instincts.
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One thing I see a lot of folks saying(pundits and all) is the Browns need a "safety"......and, in my world, the Browns REALLY REALLY need a FREE Safety......specifically......and that would be Hooker, Baker or Williams......
Im infatuated with Adams and would take him in a heart beat....BUT, if we do take him, it does NOT resolve our safety problem. So, we still will need to tap a FS along the way.....(guys noted above).....and middle round guy I also like is Marcus Maye. FS with some back bone(ss traits)....
I like Maye as well and he was in many of my early FirstPick efforts... then I "discovered" Williams..
My impression of this Safety class is that if there is one who has the potential of playing either position, it's Adams... and his Pro-Day 40 only confirmed that. While he's not in Hooker's ball-skill class (who is?), he stacks up favorably with the rest of the FS class IMO.
While it can be argued that to use Adams at FS would be to underutilize him, if doing so got your best tandem on the field, I think I could live with that until we found our FS down the road. Could even spawn FA interest at the thought of being paired with the LSU kid.
Thoughts?
My impression of this Safety class is that if there is one who has the potential of playing either position, it's Adams...
.... to use Adams at FS would be to under utilize him, if doing so got your best tandem on the field, I think I could live with that ......
Thoughts?
Would agree that Adams could play both....and be pretty damn good at it too.....i would also agree that it isnt getting the biggest bang for your buck(from him)....but Id take him and then put the best 2 players on the field everytime....
But...how could they NOT draft a FS??......is that even a possibility?
Of course, we thought the same last year about C, didnt we?
That Obi dude is like 6 foot 4. Pretty rangy. Would be a solid FS for us if he falls in the second.. Something to consider if your DePo & Co.
Looks like an amazing athlete, but his game is not nearly as refined as several of the other guys(who may go after him)......while I see the potential(based upon his athleticism)....Im really much more into drafting game ready players.....(which are available)
1st and 2nd round projects make me nervous......
Im really high on that kid. I know he didnt play safety much at michigan but how hard could it be to teach him seeing as he already played all over the place on offense and defense. Kid is obviously smart and teachable and one of the better athletes in the draft. Durable too right? Im not aware of major injury history with him but i could be wrong.
I just love the idea of a hybrid safety/ lb like him that can up into the box and hold his iwn but also easily recover back if needed. Kids a stud
I see the reason you like him too.....my issue is what I just described above.....he's a raw talent without any refined skills....and a 1st round "project".....I have to pass.....
Have you watched his tackling?........needs to learn how to wrap up......looks like a Whitner clone going for the "no arms kill shot"......
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My impression of this Safety class is that if there is one who has the potential of playing either position, it's Adams...
.... to use Adams at FS would be to under utilize him, if doing so got your best tandem on the field, I think I could live with that ......
Thoughts?
Would agree that Adams could play both....and be pretty damn good at it too.....i would also agree that it isnt getting the biggest bang for your buck(from him)....but Id take him and then put the best 2 players on the field everytime....
But...how could they NOT draft a FS??......is that even a possibility?
Of course, we thought the same last year about C, didnt we?
That Obi dude is like 6 foot 4. Pretty rangy. Would be a solid FS for us if he falls in the second.. Something to consider if your DePo & Co.
Looks like an amazing athlete, but his game is not nearly as refined as several of the other guys(who may go after him)......while I see the potential(based upon his athleticism)....Im really much more into drafting game ready players.....(which are available)
1st and 2nd round projects make me nervous......
Im really high on that kid. I know he didnt play safety much at michigan but how hard could it be to teach him seeing as he already played all over the place on offense and defense. Kid is obviously smart and teachable and one of the better athletes in the draft. Durable too right? Im not aware of major injury history with him but i could be wrong.
I just love the idea of a hybrid safety/ lb like him that can up into the box and hold his iwn but also easily recover back if needed. Kids a stud
I see the reason you like him too.....my issue is what I just described above.....he's a raw talent without any refined skills....and a 1st round "project".....I have to pass.....
Have you watched his tackling?........needs to learn how to wrap up......looks like a Whitner clone going for the "no arms kill shot"......
Would agree that Adams could play both....and be pretty damn good at it too.....i would also agree that it isnt getting the biggest bang for your buck(from him)....but Id take him and then put the best 2 players on the field everytime....
But...how could they NOT draft a FS??......is that even a possibility?
Just saying he's a better SS than FS, although he'd be fine as the latter, and SSs tend to get into the action more... more big hit opprotunities.
How would we not pick a FS? Easy... I don't see Adams falling to 12, so it'd take a trade up. A trade up eats picks quite possibly our 2.20 (#52). Fewer, or lower if we get a balancing 4th or so, picks mean a greater chance that we are not in position to take a FS Day 2 unless we reach... and I don't think we'd reach for a FS.
We simply are not going to fill every need this draft... but a Garrett - Adams start would go a long way...
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Would agree that Adams could play both....and be pretty damn good at it too.....i would also agree that it isnt getting the biggest bang for your buck(from him)....but Id take him and then put the best 2 players on the field everytime....
But...how could they NOT draft a FS??......is that even a possibility?
Just saying he's a better SS than FS, although he'd be fine as the latter, and SSs tend to get into the action more... more big hit opprotunities.
How would we not pick a FS? Easy... I don't see Adams falling to 12, so it'd take a trade up. A trade up eats picks quite possibly our 2.20 (#52). Fewer, or lower if we get a balancing 4th or so, picks mean a greater chance that we are not in position to take a FS Day 2 unless we reach... and I don't think we'd reach for a FS.
We simply are not going to fill every need this draft... but a Garrett - Adams start would go a long way...
Just saying he's a better SS than FS, although he'd be fine as the latter, and SSs tend to get into the action more... more big hit opprotunities.
How would we not pick a FS? Easy... I don't see Adams falling to 12, so it'd take a trade up. A trade up eats picks quite possibly our 2.20 (#52). Fewer, or lower if we get a balancing 4th or so, picks mean a greater chance that we are not in position to take a FS Day 2 unless we reach... and I don't think we'd reach for a FS.
We simply are not going to fill every need this draft... but a Garrett - Adams start would go a long way...
Yeah.....I see what you're saying......though, no way I see Shashi going up to get Adams........(probably gonna pick a QB or LS at 12).....
.....(snicker)Bottom line.....Im selfish....want both......and think FS is a dire need.....just hope Shashi feels the same......
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Would moving up from 12 to 5-7 range for a safety cost us 1st next year?
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Would moving up from 12 to 5-7 range for a safety cost us 1st next year?
Would moving up from 12 to 5-7 range for a safety cost us 1st next year?
How about next years 1st.....and a second from this year?.....then we keep 12......
Id do that for sure....
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Would moving up from 12 to 5-7 range for a safety cost us 1st next year?
How about next years 1st.....and a second from this year?.....then we keep 12......
Id do that for sure....
How about next years 1st.....and a second from this year?.....then we keep 12......
Id do that for sure....
Spending our future QB ammo like a drunken Manziel are we?
Would moving up from 12 to 5-7 range for a safety cost us 1st next year?
Not per the Meers chart... which since he works for us I assume we'd use.
12 to 5 requires ~75 points of added value to be a Meers, equal trade. Our 1st pick in the 5th (5.01) charts in at 75 and change, but will be devalued some by all the Comp Picks so might have to send along our pick 3.01 and take a 7th in return to balance things.
The Hitch... the holder of the higher pick might not love the Meers chart, but loves the traditional JJ chart. In that case they'd want our 2.01 pick at minimum.... more, if they are getting other calls... another "hitch".
Our 2018 #1 is likely worth a little less than 2017's 2.01 as it's not likely we finish with the worst record again.
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