If it really is Hue thats pushing for Trubisky....
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They traded out of mack and bosa dont forget. If we had those two guys no FA qb would dare sign with a north team cause he'd have to see them twice a year
And who was the only team Cleveland beat? Bosa's Chargers, who ranked 29th in points allowed.
As I said in another thread, the only 2 first round picks from the 2014 draft that are unemployed in the NFL today are Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel. That major land mine came from Fanny Farmer or Farmer's Fanny...
As for the 2014 draft, which team got rewarded most for not reaching on a QB? The Raiders. Yes, the same team that was always drafting right near us until they found the right edge rusher in round 1 and QB in round 2. In essence, they let the draft fall to them.
Here's some previous QBs we've traded up for and please me at our very first BINGO here:
1970 Mike Phipps #3 overall (lost HOF WR Paul Warfield to the Dolphins destined to go undefeated in 72 when his speed over the top prevented defenses from loading the box to stop Csonka,Kiick and Morris)
2007 Brady Quinn at #22 overall (lost our 1st round pick in 2008 and didn't end up drafting until round 4 in a draft volume that netted 1 keeper Ahtyba Rubin. Meanwhile, DA became the QB that threw 29 TD passes in our 10-6 season before the shit hit the fans in 2008.
2012 Brandon Weeden at #22 was one of the picks we got in exchange for Atlanta's rights to Julio Jones in 2011.
2014 Johnny Manziel at #22 in order to give Philly our #26 and #83 overall.
Sticking with my theme of not reaching on a QB pov, the team that was rewarded best for their QB selection in 2016 was the Dallas Cowboys with Dak Prescott.
In a year where countless well paid Draft Analysts and NFL scouts have called this entire QB class a bunch of projects, the highest rated player (also making him BPA) is Myles Garrett. Meanwhile, how much difference is there from 1 QB project to the next? We'll get one of the projects to join last year's project (Kessler). How do we know a Peterman is any better than the reason (Josh Dobbs) he needed to transfer to Pitt over? Along the same line, do we really know Trubisky is any better than Josh Dobbs when he couldn't ever start over a lesser QB than Dobbs at NC? I like Trubisky but not anywhere near #1 or the need to trade up from #12. I've been wrong before though...
I've just never seen knee jerking up for a QB benefit us so can someone assure me why THIS is the year to be confident in that?
And who was the only team Cleveland beat? Bosa's Chargers, who ranked 29th in points allowed.
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And that reflects on bosa how? U did catch he had 10.5 savks in 12 games right? U did see how in his very first start he stonewalled donald penn at the point on a tfl right? But who wants that here? Not i.
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And who was the only team Cleveland beat? Bosa's Chargers, who ranked 29th in points allowed.
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And that reflects on bosa how? U did catch he had 10.5 savks in 12 games right? U did see how in his very first start he stonewalled donald penn at the point on a tfl right? But who wants that here? Not i.
And that reflects on bosa how? U did catch he had 10.5 savks in 12 games right? U did see how in his very first start he stonewalled donald penn at the point on a tfl right? But who wants that here? Not i.
Not only did I catch it - I read all 200 reminders of it by you aside from the 50 or so I might have missed. My bad on the presentation/context of SD ranking 29th out of 32 teams in points allowed. It was not meant to say it was Bosa's fault as much as it was intended to illustrate how much 1 guy on an 11 man defense can change everything in the rookie year regardless of how well he plays if there isn't much talent around him. He had a great game against us and yet the 1 man show on defense couldn't even top a bad team like Cleveland.
In Cleveland, I think we actually have some good players in all 3 tiers of defense today (such as Haden, Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Des Bryant) if we can add a dimension like Myles Garrett. I'd love to finally evaluate what we have in the secondary with a more reasonable pass rush
That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
And that reflects on bosa how? U did catch he had 10.5 savks in 12 games right? U did see how in his very first start he stonewalled donald penn at the point on a tfl right? But who wants that here? Not i.
Not only did I catch it - I read all 200 reminders of it by you aside from the 50 or so I might have missed. My bad on the presentation/context of SD ranking 29th out of 32 teams in points allowed. It was not meant to say it was Bosa's fault as much as it was intended to illustrate how much 1 guy on an 11 man defense can change everything in the rookie year regardless of how well he plays if there isn't much talent around him. He had a great game against us and yet the 1 man show on defense couldn't even top a bad team like Cleveland.
In Cleveland, I think we actually have some good players in all 3 tiers of defense today (such as Haden, Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Des Bryant) if we can add a dimension like Myles Garrett. I'd love to finally evaluate what we have in the secondary with a more reasonable pass rush
That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
Not only did I catch it - I read all 200 reminders of it by you aside from the 50 or so I might have missed. My bad on the presentation/context of SD ranking 29th out of 32 teams in points allowed. It was not meant to say it was Bosa's fault as much as it was intended to illustrate how much 1 guy on an 11 man defense can change everything in the rookie year regardless of how well he plays if there isn't much talent around him. He had a great game against us and yet the 1 man show on defense couldn't even top a bad team like Cleveland.
In Cleveland, I think we actually have some good players in all 3 tiers of defense today (such as Haden, Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Des Bryant) if we can add a dimension like Myles Garrett. I'd love to finally evaluate what we have in the secondary with a more reasonable pass rush
That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
Don't forget "Horton is now a who? & Williams is the new". That'll make a difference too.
Mike
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And that reflects on bosa how? U did catch he had 10.5 savks in 12 games right? U did see how in his very first start he stonewalled donald penn at the point on a tfl right? But who wants that here? Not i.
Not only did I catch it - I read all 200 reminders of it by you aside from the 50 or so I might have missed. My bad on the presentation/context of SD ranking 29th out of 32 teams in points allowed. It was not meant to say it was Bosa's fault as much as it was intended to illustrate how much 1 guy on an 11 man defense can change everything in the rookie year regardless of how well he plays if there isn't much talent around him. He had a great game against us and yet the 1 man show on defense couldn't even top a bad team like Cleveland.
In Cleveland, I think we actually have some good players in all 3 tiers of defense today (such as Haden, Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Des Bryant) if we can add a dimension like Myles Garrett. I'd love to finally evaluate what we have in the secondary with a more reasonable pass rush
That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
In Cleveland, I think we actually have some good players in all 3 tiers of defense today (such as Haden, Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Des Bryant) if we can add a dimension like Myles Garrett. I'd love to finally evaluate what we have in the secondary with a more reasonable pass rush
One of the reasons I posted the 2018 mock draft was to show how deep it is in the 1st round with safeties and cornerbacks. That along with this year's safety heavy draft should fill any need that is actually there if we still show a secondary weakness with the time for QBs to throw cut in half or better. No more of these 5-7 second passing plays against us if we really load up on QB pressure players to go with who we already have on the team.
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lol! Being a Rams fan, he probably wants us to take a punter.
Whew... I'll take it... and run.
I used to use the scene with the gladiatorial reenactment in the Colosseum (the battle where Crowe & Co. were supposed to lose bigly to the folks in the chariots with the bows and arrows, but pulled off the upset) as the basis for a team building exercise.
Had more than a little success using it, too. So the movie was not a complete waste.
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Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies? Flugels
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ROF,L ! once that the jock strap sniffing happens, seems like there isn't
any hope for Clevsies to see the light.
Like old Sheply and Matt Leinart, to name just one. The Browns don't need just one or two
picks, they needed to trade down. That is how you build a team.
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Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies? Flugels
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ROF,L ! once that the jock strap sniffing happens, seems like there isn't
any hope for Clevsies to see the light.
Like old Sheply and Matt Leinart, to name just one. The Browns don't need just one or two
picks, they needed to trade down. That is how you build a team.
they needed to trade down. That is how you build a team.
or......It's a good way to turn great into average times 2......nothin like a roster FULL of average....
Speaking of "times 2"....thats how many Pro-bowl births were awarded to Bosa and Elliott in their first season....
Coleman?.....hahahahaha
Hey....with the #12 this year, we might actually draft a winner(might)......and if he makes the Pro bowl.....we will then only be 3 Pro Bowls behind in year 2........
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@ghoolie said:
You guys are pussies. You don't pick a guy because everyone else says he is worthy of the place you are picking him at. You pick the guy you need. If your need is a LT and you don't need anything else, you take the best LT at #1, even if some ass fuck analyst has him at #15 talent wise. Idiots.
Hue Jackson does not want Garret. I guarantee you, he doesn't want Garrett and will fight tooth and nail not to take him. Garrett will not make an impact on the W/L columns. Hue squandered his hall pass, and Year 2? It IS ALL about winning. Hue's nuts are in a vise. He won't make it to the second half if he goes 0-7.
Like it or not, he needs a QB. Trubisky IS the pick. He won't be on the board at 12. Watson is Hue's guy. Another RGIII/Black Tarkenton
What the fuck are you even spewing on about. You say Garrett isn't Hue's pick so I'm assuming you are saying Trubisky is his pick at one but then two sentences later day Watson is his guy cause he is a black tarkenton but I'm assuming you mean at 12 since you just talked about how Mitchell won't make it that far. So who exactly is hue's number 1 pick or do you just throw a bunch of shit at the wall so when one of those things happens you can say "see the all knowing Ghoolie was right again." I know you like Trubisky but as far as I'm concerned your track record with qbs (cough Paxton lynch cough) you don't know jack shit about qbs.
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@ghoolie said:
You guys are pussies. You don't pick a guy because everyone else says he is worthy of the place you are picking him at. You pick the guy you need. If your need is a LT and you don't need anything else, you take the best LT at #1, even if some ass fuck analyst has him at #15 talent wise. Idiots.
Hue Jackson does not want Garret. I guarantee you, he doesn't want Garrett and will fight tooth and nail not to take him. Garrett will not make an impact on the W/L columns. Hue squandered his hall pass, and Year 2? It IS ALL about winning. Hue's nuts are in a vise. He won't make it to the second half if he goes 0-7.
Like it or not, he needs a QB. Trubisky IS the pick. He won't be on the board at 12. Watson is Hue's guy. Another RGIII/Black Tarkenton
What the fuck are you even spewing on about. You say Garrett isn't Hue's pick so I'm assuming you are saying Trubisky is his pick at one but then two sentences later day Watson is his guy cause he is a black tarkenton but I'm assuming you mean at 12 since you just talked about how Mitchell won't make it that far. So who exactly is hue's number 1 pick or do you just throw a bunch of shit at the wall so when one of those things happens you can say "see the all knowing Ghoolie was right again." I know you like Trubisky but as far as I'm concerned your track record with qbs (cough Paxton lynch cough) you don't know jack shit about qbs.
... then two sentences later day Watson is his guy cause he is a black tarkenton but I'm assuming you mean at 12 since you just talked about how Mitchell won't make it that far.
I think M2P just snagged one...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies? Flugels
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ROF,L ! once that the jock strap sniffing happens, seems like there isn't
any hope for Clevsies to see the light.
Like old Sheply and Matt Leinart, to name just one. The Browns don't need just one or two
picks, they needed to trade down. That is how you build a team.
Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies? Flugels
****************************************************************************
ROF,L ! once that the jock strap sniffing happens, seems like there isn't
any hope for Clevsies to see the light.
Like old Sheply and Matt Leinart, to name just one. The Browns don't need just one or two
picks, they needed to trade down. That is how you build a team.
Like we built one last year with all them great picks? We need to pick no. 1 and not trade it.
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And that reflects on bosa how? U did catch he had 10.5 savks in 12 games right? U did see how in his very first start he stonewalled donald penn at the point on a tfl right? But who wants that here? Not i.
Not only did I catch it - I read all 200 reminders of it by you aside from the 50 or so I might have missed. My bad on the presentation/context of SD ranking 29th out of 32 teams in points allowed. It was not meant to say it was Bosa's fault as much as it was intended to illustrate how much 1 guy on an 11 man defense can change everything in the rookie year regardless of how well he plays if there isn't much talent around him. He had a great game against us and yet the 1 man show on defense couldn't even top a bad team like Cleveland.
In Cleveland, I think we actually have some good players in all 3 tiers of defense today (such as Haden, Collins, Kirksey, Shelton, Des Bryant) if we can add a dimension like Myles Garrett. I'd love to finally evaluate what we have in the secondary with a more reasonable pass rush
That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
Look at what ur asking. Does ur wife want to stop fidgeting with dildos? Ofc not. Some people just cant give certain things up?
I kid i kid, but ghoolie did have me rolling our with that one. Do u guys personally know each other?
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That was good smart ass at the end. Now can we finally get your nose out of Bosa's dirty jock strap at least part time Clevsies?
Look at what ur asking. Does ur wife want to stop fidgeting with dildos? Ofc not. Some people just cant give certain things up?
I kid i kid, but ghoolie did have me rolling our with that one. Do u guys personally know each other?
I kid i kid, but ghoolie did have me rolling our with that one. Do u guys personally know each other?
You're fine. I busted your balls and you gave it right back. Ghoolie and I have never met but we've enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other over the years.
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I kid i kid, but ghoolie did have me rolling our with that one. Do u guys personally know each other?
You're fine. I busted your balls and you gave it right back. Ghoolie and I have never met but we've enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other over the years.
You're fine. I busted your balls and you gave it right back. Ghoolie and I have never met but we've enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other over the years.
Hehe. Ok but srsly back on topic.....I understand ur point that one guy can't turn a defense around. But by that token do you ever take a Bosa or a Garrett? My nose isn't in bosa's jockstrap cause I'm an OSU homer, he could have gone to Michigan for all I care and I still would have wanted him precisely for what he did to Donald Penn in his very first start. I dream of a Browns front 4 with two earth movers in the middle and a combination power edge rusher on one side with a more speed guy in the middle......add to that a sneaky blitzing OLB'er and I can now jerk off all over myself. The two middle guys collapse the front pocket, the power edge guy further eliminates the step up and the speed guy eliminates the flush out. And everybody holds up well at the point. That is why I've been clamoring for guys like Mack, Bosa and Garett.
Each one by themselves of course means fuck all. For the past couple years you could have had JJ Watt on this defense and it wouldn't have amounted to much cause they'd just roll away from him and nobody else on the team would have made teams pay for that. That's why you build through the draft. At the beginning yes you need to trade back and build pieces around what you hope to be sure fire blue chip picks in the future that have a good supporting cast. I feel we "might" have that now with ogbah and Nassib rotating in with Garett. I really do feel that with Garett we might have the makings of an elite front 7 because we also have a potentially very good OLB'er corp with Collins and hopefully Schoberts made strides. I feel like we have the pieces to surround Garett and he puts the defense over the top in a year or two when he and the rookies from last year are fully matured.
I understand the need for a QB but I won't budge from my assessment that you have to build a competent o line first. The O lines of the past couple years were just unacceptable and you can't put a rookie out there behind that kind of incompetence.
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You're fine. I busted your balls and you gave it right back. Ghoolie and I have never met but we've enjoyed breaking out the cyber mallets on each other over the years.
Hehe. Ok but srsly back on topic.....I understand ur point that one guy can't turn a defense around. But by that token do you ever take a Bosa or a Garrett? My nose isn't in bosa's jockstrap cause I'm an OSU homer, he could have gone to Michigan for all I care and I still would have wanted him precisely for what he did to Donald Penn in his very first start. I dream of a Browns front 4 with two earth movers in the middle and a combination power edge rusher on one side with a more speed guy in the middle......add to that a sneaky blitzing OLB'er and I can now jerk off all over myself. The two middle guys collapse the front pocket, the power edge guy further eliminates the step up and the speed guy eliminates the flush out. And everybody holds up well at the point. That is why I've been clamoring for guys like Mack, Bosa and Garett.
Each one by themselves of course means fuck all. For the past couple years you could have had JJ Watt on this defense and it wouldn't have amounted to much cause they'd just roll away from him and nobody else on the team would have made teams pay for that. That's why you build through the draft. At the beginning yes you need to trade back and build pieces around what you hope to be sure fire blue chip picks in the future that have a good supporting cast. I feel we "might" have that now with ogbah and Nassib rotating in with Garett. I really do feel that with Garett we might have the makings of an elite front 7 because we also have a potentially very good OLB'er corp with Collins and hopefully Schoberts made strides. I feel like we have the pieces to surround Garett and he puts the defense over the top in a year or two when he and the rookies from last year are fully matured.
I understand the need for a QB but I won't budge from my assessment that you have to build a competent o line first. The O lines of the past couple years were just unacceptable and you can't put a rookie out there behind that kind of incompetence.
We need the Garrett pick to be a win. We also need Kirsey to be even better then he has been. With him and Collins, there needs to be some feared lb play. That 12 pick has to be a db for the future. Haden has been an afterthoughtfor 2 years now. We have to build a db back field that wont get smoked so often.Hehe. Ok but srsly back on topic.....I understand ur point that one guy can't turn a defense around. But by that token do you ever take a Bosa or a Garrett? My nose isn't in bosa's jockstrap cause I'm an OSU homer, he could have gone to Michigan for all I care and I still would have wanted him precisely for what he did to Donald Penn in his very first start. I dream of a Browns front 4 with two earth movers in the middle and a combination power edge rusher on one side with a more speed guy in the middle......add to that a sneaky blitzing OLB'er and I can now jerk off all over myself. The two middle guys collapse the front pocket, the power edge guy further eliminates the step up and the speed guy eliminates the flush out. And everybody holds up well at the point. That is why I've been clamoring for guys like Mack, Bosa and Garett.
Each one by themselves of course means fuck all. For the past couple years you could have had JJ Watt on this defense and it wouldn't have amounted to much cause they'd just roll away from him and nobody else on the team would have made teams pay for that. That's why you build through the draft. At the beginning yes you need to trade back and build pieces around what you hope to be sure fire blue chip picks in the future that have a good supporting cast. I feel we "might" have that now with ogbah and Nassib rotating in with Garett. I really do feel that with Garett we might have the makings of an elite front 7 because we also have a potentially very good OLB'er corp with Collins and hopefully Schoberts made strides. I feel like we have the pieces to surround Garett and he puts the defense over the top in a year or two when he and the rookies from last year are fully matured.
I understand the need for a QB but I won't budge from my assessment that you have to build a competent o line first. The O lines of the past couple years were just unacceptable and you can't put a rookie out there behind that kind of incompetence.
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Meaning what? I just don't follow what ghoolie is saying. The original topic is debating whether Garrett or Trubisky is Hue's guy at number one? He says it isn't Garrett so I'm assuming that relating to the topic he is saying Trubisky is his guy. But then one sentence later after talking about Trubisky not falling to 12 he says Watson is his guy. So either he is saying we are taking watson at one or he is saying since Garrett isn't hue's guy it must be Trubisky at one and then Watson aka "black tarkenton" at 12. LolI think M2P just snagged one...
I assume you meant that I took mitch2pryors mock ghoolie draft as a ghoolie post which I didn't I was simply trying to follow ghoolies post in this thread.
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Meaning what? I just don't follow what ghoolie is saying. The original topic is debating whether Garrett or Trubisky is Hue's guy at number one? He says it isn't Garrett so I'm assuming that relating to the topic he is saying Trubisky is his guy. But then one sentence later after talking about Trubisky not falling to 12 he says Watson is his guy. So either he is saying we are taking watson at one or he is saying since Garrett isn't hue's guy it must be Trubisky at one and then Watson aka "black tarkenton" at 12. LolI think M2P just snagged one...
I assume you meant that I took mitch2pryors mock ghoolie draft as a ghoolie post which I didn't I was simply trying to follow ghoolies post in this thread.
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So who is his guy at one since you said Garrett wasn't?@ghoolie said:
I never said jack shit about Trubisky. Hue is going influence the FO to take Black Tarkenton at 12. They will take him to appease Hue and let him hang himself. Hue is dumb enough to take Watson at #1. THAT is who the guy would take if HE had his choice. If someone takes Watson before 12, Hue will shit his pants on camera.
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@ghoolie said:
It will make no difference at all. Hue Jackson creates the defense, The DC simply carries out the HC's orders. Williams will be no better than Hues last Anal Access.
You simply don't understand a good coffee fetching system
Since our teams return the GM's buys the Grocery's..Fire Him!! not the coaches with the rotten goods.(RGtark was not the worst QB of all last season).Hue & Williams may have to agree on a defensive system.Our problem IS Draft That damn System a quit making them what they are not.(look up Andrew Berry's job here) Williams will not let them pussy foot their way thru it.Hue fired his own wussy (look at his DC choices at hire)..it's a defensive draft, give it a homo's(#just4U) chance? #Throwyourdarts at the right people.. -
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@ghoolie said:
I never said jack shit about Trubisky. Hue is going influence the FO to take Black Tarkenton at 12. They will take him to appease Hue and let him hang himself. Hue is dumb enough to take Watson at #1. THAT is who the guy would take if HE had his choice. If someone takes Watson before 12, Hue will shit his pants on camera.
I still think using the Black Tarkenton nomenclature, which you use to try to be disparaging, is way off base. Again, Tarkenton was one of the best QBs in NFL history.
Now, if you want to say: the Black Jeff George, or the Black Ryan Leaf....that would be more appropriate.
Then we have to look for the White Jamarcus Russell. (well....I guess that would be Ryan Leaf)
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