Is Garret really the best DE in this draft

Comeonman

@jcam222 said:
I've certainly read others warning signs on this guy. Several have said he takes plays off. I believe he said no one plays hard every play. Declining interviews to me is a flag too. If he can't deal with a little adversity for an interview how does he react to a bad game? Bad local press?

Thats a good point to bring up. He canceled an interview apparently because of someone who had spoken poorly of him in the past (about his play I believe). It just seems to me the guys that beat the shit out of people on the field would normally be the ones to speak with someone like that and challenge their talk on record, but that may just be me.

wargograw

Foster is the best player in this draft on the field.

Clevfan4life

Sorry, i heard the "exact"same bullshit about bosa last year.

Clevfan4life

"I just got this feeling man!!!".

Im in no mood to watch garett go get 10 or more sacks for another defense

wargograw

Bosa was a better player than Garrett. Not as high a ceiling, but better player.

Clevfan4life

Honestly i wouldnt mind taking garett this year even if we had taken bosa last year, those two would be unfair on the same front 4. However, think what we could command this year with the 1st?

Clevfan4life

@wargograw said:
Bosa was a better player than Garrett. Not as high a ceiling, but better player.

It'll be interesting to see how that all plays out for sure

poplarbluffman

my top 3 on my board

#1 Allen

#2 Lattimore

#3 Garrett

agree with Sapp elite pass rusher if you are a 4-3 team and need a rde but a one trick pony

Solomon Thomas DE/DT Stanford was a 10 at the combine but only produced slightly above avg at Stanfordf...sort small for a dt,doesn't run an elite arc at de so I'd guess solid 5 tech with avg production

Suomi

Hey Sapp - your rant works better if you substituted your "financial acumen" for Myles Garrett. Bankrupt MF.

The Gipper

Garrett will be a great player if and when the Browns can schedule Prairieview for just about every game. Otherwise I think Warren Sapp may be right.

Orion

I don't see anything wrong with cancelling interviews.

Can get you in trouble sometimes.

domcucch1994

I feel like we will shake things up and draft Trubisky.

He will sit for a year

We draft OJ Howard,

Go defense the rest of the way

syd

@ghoolie said:
He is the best college DE. That doesn't mean he will be the best in the NFL.

why ?

Suomi

@domcucch1994 said:

I feel like we will shake things up and draft Trubisky.

He will sit for a year

We draft OJ Howard,

Go defense the rest of the way

Too late. The Browns defense needs stars, and those are only available in the first round.

D Bone

@syd said:

why ?

The same reason that guys - who for what ever reason, couldn't even start on their college teams become NFL studs..... There are no guarantees that any college kid, regardless of his measurables, will succeed at the next level.

jcam222

@syd said:

why ?

If college performance consistently translated to the NFL mock drafts and the months of discussions would be non existent.

syd

@jcam222 said:
discussions would be non existent.

and worthless

Mudfly

@ghoolie said:
He is the best college DE. That doesn't mean he will be the best in the NFL.

@d-bone said:
There are no guarantees that any college kid, regardless of his measurables, will succeed at the next level.

@jcam222 said:
If college performance consistently translated to the NFL mock drafts and the months of discussions would be non existent.

Exactly.....but its all we have to rate them by and it's what every one does.....and no guarantees either way....ever

Which is why it's stupid for anyone to claim their guy is best base upon college perf, while claiming another guy sucks because college doesnt prove anything...which is where a lot of these threads end up.....

All you can do is factor an educated guess.....and dwerps that claim to know "with certainty" that any player will fail or succeed are just that....dwerps...

Carry on....

Tour2ma

Warren Sapp apparently doesn't understand that college D against running QBs a measure of discipline from the DL and especially Edge DL.

@jcam222 said:
I'll be the first to admit I watch very little college ball. For those of you who do tell me why he is so much better than Derek Barnett for example. Even Solomon Thomas. Also if you have followed him personally does he love football? Does he take plays off? Is he as surefire as the hype? Lastly if you don't believe he actually is a lock at #1 who do you take or do you move down a few spots? EDIT- Expand the thought process to not only is he the best DE but is he the best player.

Barnett is smaller and slower... good enough? Solomon Thomas? Different player and a closer, but still not all that close, call.

Love Football? Yes.
Take plays off? Yes... more on this later...
He's as surefire as any in this draft.
He's my lock, so can't help you.

On taking plays off...

I think Jeff Saturday said it best last week on NFL Live when he said (more or less),

"Can we knock this crap off? Every player in the NFL takes plays off. I took plays off. There are times when you are dog tired and you know you should chase that LB downfield and be in position in case your RB cuts back, but you just don't. And these kids in college are on the field for a bunch more plays than any pro ever is."

Tour2ma

@d-bone said:
So much is made about measurables - 40 time, arm length, long jump, shuttle time, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada..... There are only two things that make the great players great, and it's their heart and brain.

Bullshit... if it were true Ben Boulware would go #1.

"Heart", "desire", "passion", "motor" plus "football smarts" can only close small "talent" gaps.

I will grant you that all the talent in the world doesn't mean jack, if desire is not there. But just because it's not in your face, does not mean it's not there... and here's proof...

@clevfan4life said:
Honestly i wouldnt mind taking garett this year even if we had taken bosa last year, those two would be unfair on the same front 4. However, think what we could command this year with the 1st?

So you finally admit that Bosa would not have improved our 2016 results?