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Where do the great ones come from....?

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  • @ghoolie said:

    Mud, dude, with all due respect. I have been barking this for years.

    Welcome to the club..

    1) There is no guarantee at any position in the draft

    2) The highest probability of getting a great player comes in the 1st round.

    My mantra as well....

    Accordingly, all this bullshit of amassing picks? As I told you, scientifically, statistically, logically, stockpiling shit picks, 3 - 7th, does not increase your chances of adding great, or even good players. Amassing 2nd rounders is self-deprecating because 1 first round gamble is better than 3 2nd round gambles.

    If the Browns want to change their fortunes, trading down for a useless coward cocksucker like Coleman, is not going to gain ground on the better teams.

    Again.....what Ive been saying all along......the trade back, passing on 2 future HOFers AND then the selection of Coleman made my head explode....it felt terrible then and still does,,,,,

    If the Browns want to improve, the first round is where it happens. Everything else is a longer and longer shot.

    #1 Trubisky

    #12 The big fucking Clemson WR

    Cant agree with this tho....Trubisky is dumber than my dog and not the answer.....if we pick him, then it IS the Browns making yet another stupid QB pick(see what I did there?)...he will be on the next line behind the Quinns, Weedones and Manziels of our past.....

    And, I do like Williams.....just dont want ANOTHER first round WR.....Coleman filled my quota.....

    Trade Joe Thomas and #33 to get a higher #1

    Trade the 2018 #1, and a 2,4 and 4 to get another #1 in 2017

    Id trade next years first for the right guy.....but, lets remember, that next years first is likely to be a top 5 pick.....so, lets not burn it on a #20ish player.....Plus, since Trubisky sucks royally, next years pick may end up being the answer to our QB issue .....

    Depending on the positions of the 2 new #1, Get a Rangey LB, get your edge rusher.

    That's how you make a difference, both in the way people around the nation view your franchise, and, on the field where you just added 4 potential mother fuckers.

    Im down to drafting potential muther fuckers.....just a different group than you're looking at.......

  • Whew... that was a close call, Mud... thought you were a goner for a minute there.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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    @thenew23 said:

    Udfas tend to do better than 4th to 7th rounders bc they get to pick the team that suits them best. Their agents and managers work to put them in the best situation possible. Rather than being picked by a team that hasnt done the homework they did with their first 3 picks.

    That's why I hope Ricky Seals-Jones goes UFA with the Browns and makes the PS so they can make a real TE out him where he should have played his last two years in college.

    @texasag1969 said:

    That's why I hope Ricky Seals-Jones goes UFA with the Browns and makes the PS so they can make a real TE out him where he should have played his last two years in college.

    Take the guy that can't block as an H-back and make him a TE? How's that a good idea?

    I don't think the kid can play.

  • Yeah... I'm not a fan either...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • We're not drafting him. We're seeing if he can be something different on the PS. Cost-nothin' for former best player in Texas HS football.

  • To be sure, he also has stone hands and is slow.

  • Here is some data on the RBs that have been drafted that have made the HOF:

    34 RBs/HBs/FBs are in HOF

    27 of them were First round picks.

    2 were second round picks....John Henry Johnson/Jim Taylor

    1 was a 3rd round pick...Curtis Martin

    1 was an 8th round pick....Leroy Kelley

    1 was a 9th round pick....old timer Tony Canadeo

    2 were Free agents....signed by the AAFC....Marion Motley and Joe Perry

  • Here is the data for WRs/TEs/Flankers/Split Ends by draft round:

    1st: 14

    2d: 4

    3rd: 1

    4th: 5

    5th: 1

    7th: 1

    8th: 1

    9th: 1

    10th: 1

    11th: 1

    12th: 1

    20th: 1 (Raymond Berry)

    Only 1 person in HOF as a player was drafted lower than Berry: Roosevelt Brown 27th round.

  • Here is the data for WRs/TEs/Flankers/Split Ends by draft round:

    1st: 14 <--- obviously the cream of the crop in college and NFL

    2d: 4

    3rd: 1

    4th: 5 <--- some positions might generally get picked lower than others, QB, DE, and used to be RB picked ahead of others

    Numbers and stats can be fun. 😕

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!

  • Speaking of "great ones"... hopefully this signals the peek of silly season...

    Joe Thomas: Denver Broncos New Left Tackle?

    http://predominantlyorange.com/2017/04/12/joe-thomas-broncos-left-tackle/

    It's kinda like the buzzards returning to Hinckley/Whip's Ledges... happens every year.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • If Cleveland was willing to make the move for a late first round pick two years ago, would they consider it this year as part of a deal for the 20th overall pick? I think so.

    Hello! McFly! Is anybody home? Two years ago you would have been dealing with the discredited Ray Farmer. Now there is a new bunch running the Browns that...hopefully...aren't so stupid.

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