On The Record: Make your QB predictions
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The best is KIzer. Has all of the tools, and will quickly loose the millennial facade.
The bust will be Watson. Good attitude, but the tools are not as sharp. With the right team I guess anything would be possible for either.
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I have been anti-Kaaya for a while, but he may have a good NFL career. His QB camp was extremely impressive and he's clearly a quick thinker. If he can play from a dirty pocket the way he plays from a clean one, he'll be a Pro Bowler.
But here's my list, in order from most successful overall career to least successful:
Kizer
Kaaya
Dobbs
Watson
Trubisky
Peterman
Mahomes
Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.
Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.
For me? Wasn't much love here - I was intrigued by him back in September, but the more I watched...the less I liked.
Reverse for Kaaya, I thought he was awful at the beginning of the season. I still think he's kind of bad but possesses enough transferable skills.
It just goes to show how preseason and early season opinions change.
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The best is KIzer. Has all of the tools, and will quickly loose the millennial facade.
The bust will be Watson. Good attitude, but the tools are not as sharp. With the right team I guess anything would be possible for either.
The best is KIzer. Has all of the tools, and will quickly loose the millennial facade.
The bust will be Watson. Good attitude, but the tools are not as sharp. With the right team I guess anything would be possible for either.
I think both of them will bust. Kizer won't get drafted until Friday.
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I have been anti-Kaaya for a while, but he may have a good NFL career. His QB camp was extremely impressive and he's clearly a quick thinker. If he can play from a dirty pocket the way he plays from a clean one, he'll be a Pro Bowler.
But here's my list, in order from most successful overall career to least successful:
Kizer
Kaaya
Dobbs
Watson
Trubisky
Peterman
Mahomes
Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.
Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.
It just goes to show how preseason and early season opinions change.
Same here... I felt like a bee flitting from one QB flower to another never really settling on one...
The lone exception was Kelly, but that's because of his value in the 5th round... and I even gave him over for Kaaya in my FirstPick by my Board V2.0.
Bottom line: I never saw enough talent in a single QB in this class to stick with him, but saw enough from most every QB to make him "plausible". This is a first for me.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Boy that Mahomes love (or at least intrigue) was short-lived.
It just goes to show how preseason and early season opinions change.
Same here... I felt like a bee flitting from one QB flower to another never really settling on one...
The lone exception was Kelly, but that's because of his value in the 5th round... and I even gave him over for Kaaya in my FirstPick by my Board V2.0.
Bottom line: I never saw enough talent in a single QB in this class to stick with him, but saw enough from most every QB to make him "plausible". This is a first for me.
Same here... I felt like a bee flitting from one QB flower to another never really settling on one...
The lone exception was Kelly, but that's because of his value in the 5th round... and I even gave him over for Kaaya in my FirstPick by my Board V2.0.
Bottom line: I never saw enough talent in a single QB in this class to stick with him, but saw enough from most every QB to make him "plausible". This is a first for me.
I'm in almost the same boat, except with Kizer.
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going by the QBs that visited the Browns:
Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahomes, Webb, Liufau:
neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.
The Browns just aren't good enough a team to be able to plunk in a rookie QB and have success. Kessler will start this season, Osweiler will be #2. Let other teams reach for Trubisky and Watson in the first. If Kizer falls to the second round I would draft him there, but I wouldn't be upset if the Browns wait until even later in the draft to get Webb. I hope they don't go with Mahomes but there's no telling with Hue. I don't know anything about Liufau. I would not spend any picks to move back up to the first round to draft Kizer, even though there's been speculation he may go in the first. Again, the rationale is I don't see any of this year's QBs making an impact right away, I'd rather stick with Kessler and bulk up the rest of the team to make it more QB-friendly (i.e., not getting pummelled every play, not having a defense give up 30 points a game, etc.). Of course, this are only my observations and the Browns rarely do what I think they will do.
Now finally, my prediction: the Browns trade away some picks to move back into the first and grab Kizer at #22.
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going by the QBs that visited the Browns:
Trubisky, Watson, Kizer, Mahomes, Webb, Liufau:
neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.
The Browns just aren't good enough a team to be able to plunk in a rookie QB and have success. Kessler will start this season, Osweiler will be #2. Let other teams reach for Trubisky and Watson in the first. If Kizer falls to the second round I would draft him there, but I wouldn't be upset if the Browns wait until even later in the draft to get Webb. I hope they don't go with Mahomes but there's no telling with Hue. I don't know anything about Liufau. I would not spend any picks to move back up to the first round to draft Kizer, even though there's been speculation he may go in the first. Again, the rationale is I don't see any of this year's QBs making an impact right away, I'd rather stick with Kessler and bulk up the rest of the team to make it more QB-friendly (i.e., not getting pummelled every play, not having a defense give up 30 points a game, etc.). Of course, this are only my observations and the Browns rarely do what I think they will do.
Now finally, my prediction: the Browns trade away some picks to move back into the first and grab Kizer at #22.
I would not spend any picks to move back up to the first round to draft Kizer, even though there's been speculation he may go in the first.
Agree with this... I think the whole "5th year option" thing is overblown. If you don't know what you have in a QB by the end of year three, then he's not the guy.
And if he is "the guy", then you lock him up with a multi-year extension paying a premium to the going rate, if you have to...
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neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.
QB is THE most glaring need. As one article said: 10 out of 10. The next being OLB, then DBs.
OL would have likely been 9 or 10 out of 10, but then the Browns addressed that area significantly in the FA period.
Now, its QB and defense.
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neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.
QB is THE most glaring need. As one article said: 10 out of 10. The next being OLB, then DBs.
OL would have likely been 9 or 10 out of 10, but then the Browns addressed that area significantly in the FA period.
Now, its QB and defense.
neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.
QB is THE most glaring need. As one article said: 10 out of 10. The next being OLB, then DBs.
OL would have likely been 9 or 10 out of 10, but then the Browns addressed that area significantly in the FA period.
Now, its QB and defense.
Hopefully the Browns don't let the glare of the QB need blind them into reaching for a QB when there are so many other picks that could step in and make the team better right away. Kessler did better than expected last season, I don't see any of this year's QBs beating him out. I do see someone like Garrett making an immediate impact on improving the lackluster pass rush from last year. Can't pass on Garrett to draft someone with 13 college starts, Trubisky could be good, but he's too much of an unknown and what is known of him is not impressive enough for #1 overall. Who knows what the Browns will do tomorrow night. Only one more day of waiting...
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neither one makes me want to spend a first-round pick when the Browns have too many other glaring needs. I know, QB is also a glaring need but I am not seeing 1st round, can't-miss talent at the QB position like there are with other positions, particularly on defense.
QB is THE most glaring need. As one article said: 10 out of 10. The next being OLB, then DBs.
OL would have likely been 9 or 10 out of 10, but then the Browns addressed that area significantly in the FA period.
Now, its QB and defense.
Hopefully the Browns don't let the glare of the QB need blind them into reaching for a QB when there are so many other picks that could step in and make the team better right away. Kessler did better than expected last season, I don't see any of this year's QBs beating him out. I do see someone like Garrett making an immediate impact on improving the lackluster pass rush from last year. Can't pass on Garrett to draft someone with 13 college starts, Trubisky could be good, but he's too much of an unknown and what is known of him is not impressive enough for #1 overall. Who knows what the Browns will do tomorrow night. Only one more day of waiting...
Hopefully the Browns don't let the glare of the QB need blind them into reaching for a QB when there are so many other picks that could step in and make the team better right away\
Except....hardly ANYONE BUT a QB can do that. No DL, no OL, no DB can do that only a QB. To be better right away this team would need 4-5 good defensive players.
. Kessler did better than expected last season, I don't see any of this year's QBs beating him out. I do see someone like Garrett making an immediate impact on improving the lackluster pass rush from last year.
Getting a bit of a better pass rush however will not get this team any more wins. Not really. It means they may "win" a few more plays....but not a few more games. Sure, it don't hurt, but it is by no means a measure of success in the way we would want.
Can't pass on Garrett to draft someone with 13 college starts, Trubisky could be good, but he's too much of an unknown and what is known of him is not impressive enough for #1 overall. Who knows what the Browns will do tomorrow night. Only one more day of waiting...
You look for the unknown.....and ignore the "knowns": Marino like quick release. Quick decision making, accuracy, great on the move, soft touch when needed.
We KNOW these things.
What don't we know? His favorite color, his favorite food, his favorite band, his favorite book.
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