Rush today
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From Kevin Drum:
From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy:
"In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on."
The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But it's a damn sight less disturbing than the tendency of conservatives to ignore racism when it comes crawling out from under rocks on their side. Limbaugh's message could hardly have been more obvious if he'd donned blackface and performed a soft-shoe in his studio.
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Jesus.
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Jesus.
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Another cut and paste. It should have been put in the reading material thread.
Or, we'd just go read Rush.
boring.
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@inspecta said:
If you are black and/or mexican they roll out the red carpet for all types of benefits from the government.This is just untrue and has zero facts to back it up.
'spec, I'm sorry that the gov't is giving you the runaround, I really am, but I know plenty of white folks who are down and receiving unemployment etc.
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From Kevin Drum:
From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy:
"In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on."
The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But it's a damn sight less disturbing than the tendency of conservatives to ignore racism when it comes crawling out from under rocks on their side. Limbaugh's message could hardly have been more obvious if he'd donned blackface and performed a soft-shoe in his studio.
From Kevin Drum:
From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy:
"In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on."
The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities.
But you thought you'd open with it anyway?
WSS
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@inspecta said:
The gov't is not rewarding success or hard work, they are rewarding failure.You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I understand being jaded dealing with what you've had to deal with recently, but what you call "rewarding failure," I call "helping those who need it."
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My interest was in seeing the reactions to Rush's statement, and I got just about what I expected.
And yes, Steve, Rush's statement is racist, not to mention ludicrous and completely unfounded.
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As for this, Inspecta:
"If you are black and/or mexican they roll out the red carpet for all types of benefits from the government.
If you're white, not so much."
Perhaps you'd like to explain how the government benefits Rush noted - unemployment benefits, food stamps, or traditional welfare programs -- are made more available to blacks and Mexicans than they are to white people.
I was under the impression that the benefits were made available to all people who qualified, regardless of their race.
(Unlike you, I also think it's quite easy to argue Rush's points, because they're beyond ridiculous.
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Yeah, I guess we have to disagree. I think what Rush said, and much of what your saying, qualifies under definition three. He's implying that blacks are lazy people who don't want to work, but want to remain on welfare because they think they're owed it because of slavery. That's what he's saying. And he's also saying that this is the goal of Obama's policy - not to avoid a recession/depression (unemployment benefits and food stamps are among the most stimulative tools in the government arsenal) and get people back to work, but to actively keep them from working so as to reward reparations to black people for slavery.
It's warped thinking, and it comes from a guy who doesn't think much of black people.
Now, it seems you think when you apply for government assistance it's something different than when a minority does. It's more noble, or something, because you don't want to take it, but will do so if you have to. Apparently it doesn't occur to you that a black family might share this view. According to you, "a good percentage of minorities are more than happy to let the gov't have this role in their lives."
I'd just like to know what you're basing this on.
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But don't get me wrong - I love when Rush says things like this, and love it even more when the remaining 21% of America that makes up the sorry state of the Republican Party thinks he speaks the truth and cheers him on.
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But don't get me wrong - I love when Rush says things like this, and love it even more when the remaining 21% of America that makes up the sorry state of the Republican Party thinks he speaks the truth and cheers him on.
But don't get me wrong - I love when Rush says things like this, and love it even more when the remaining 21% of America that makes up the sorry state of the Republican Party thinks he speaks the truth and cheers him on.
Jesus.
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I personally find humor in others' ignorance, too. It's better than the alternative, which is shock/fear.
Like I choose to laugh at a guy like DieHard's pathetic ignorance than really contemplate the ramifications of someone that fcuked up actually walking the Earth.
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From Kevin Drum:
From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy:
"In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on."
The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But it's a damn sight less disturbing than the tendency of conservatives to ignore racism when it comes crawling out from under rocks on their side. Limbaugh's message could hardly have been more obvious if he'd donned blackface and performed a soft-shoe in his studio.
From Kevin Drum:
From Rush Limbaugh, commenting on the deteriorating economy:
"In the Oval Office of the White House none of this is a problem. This is the objective. The objective is unemployment. The objective is more food stamp benefits. The objective is more unemployment benefits. The objective is an expanding welfare state. And the objective is to take the nation’s wealth and return to it to the nation’s quote, “rightful owners.” Think reparations. Think forced reparations here if you want to understand what actually is going on."
The tendency of liberals to shout "racism" a little too often is not one of my side's most attractive qualities. But it's a damn sight less disturbing than the tendency of conservatives to ignore racism when it comes crawling out from under rocks on their side. Limbaugh's message could hardly have been more obvious if he'd donned blackface and performed a soft-shoe in his studio.
I missed the show, quote, and therefore the context (darn
), but it appears that Kevin is injecting just as much racism as Rush is/was. Blacks are the only ones losing jobs? "Think reparations" is only racist if your editorial/job/argument hinges on the perception of "Rasict Rush."
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I live in Los Angeles, Inspecta. Last time I checked it was pretty diverse.
So from what I can tell you're basing your theory about minorities, particularly blacks, being lazier/more willing to live on the government dole than whites on your anecdotal experience in North Carolina and a Chris Rock routine. Count me as unconvinced.
Although I'm slightly encouraged that you attribute it to social constructs. Slightly.
And Leg, clearly Rush is talking about blacks because he's talking about reparations for slavery. Who else would he be talking about? There's no racism being injected from Kevin's side.
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@inspecta said:
I don't follow the logic here. You think these positions are ignorant, yet you love and embrace people being ignorant?Is that because it makes you feel smarter?
No, because most of the country thinks this guy is a lout and an asshole and often wrong, and the more the Republicans let him run the show the more it turns them into a party for angry, rural white people over 45, and the easier it will be to defeat them.
Ex: This weekend Dick Cheney said that he'd side with Rush over Colin Powell. Who do you think the public has more respect for? How many people do you think share that view?
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I live in Los Angeles, Inspecta. Last time I checked it was pretty diverse.
So from what I can tell you're basing your theory about minorities, particularly blacks, being lazier/more willing to live on the government dole than whites on your anecdotal experience in North Carolina and a Chris Rock routine. Count me as unconvinced.
Although I'm slightly encouraged that you attribute it to social constructs. Slightly.
And Leg, clearly Rush is talking about blacks because he's talking about reparations for slavery. Who else would he be talking about? There's no racism being injected from Kevin's side.
And Leg, clearly Rush is talking about blacks because he's talking about reparations for slavery. Who else would he be talking about? There's no racism being injected from Kevin's side.
The unemployed?
*edit*
I think he uses "reparations" as a means to describe his perceived ineffetiveness of the welfare state (is there a sillier, larger failure of a plan than reparations? How insulting - just hand 'em some money, that'll shut 'em up). We can debate on if he is right or not, but Kevin "Vaudville" Drum clearly is more dependent on injecting race into his act than Rush is.
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