Players to watch for because, analytics
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That seems pretty fair. He's not a ballhawk he's just good not elite at everything. Do they have a ranking for him at corner because it feels like he was in the slot half the time
I like this metric most of the players I like are in the stud group and only 1 is in the potential bust group.
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Number of 'knew it" and a couple "WTF?" players. Some I just don't know...
The "knew its"...- RB: Brian Hill (came late to him thanks to FirstPick), Christian McCaffrey (on his train two years ago)
- WR: Chris Godwin (flashed at the Combine), Robert Davis (small school gem)
- TE: OJ Howard (Duh...)
- OG: Dion Dawkins (see below)
- OT: Dion Dawkins (shone at Sr. Bowl)
- DT: Montravius Adams (the big DT I kept going back to)
- S: Marcus Williams (FS, found him when he was a 3rd round "steal")
The WTFs???
- OG: Ben Branden (cursory look gave no reason to look further)
- Edge: Only Solomon Thomas and LBs need apply?
- LB: Rakwon McMillian (don't see it...)
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Here are the top rated players at each position from an analytics/metrics based guide I have. Of course this is before film comes into play so pinches of salt required but as a starting point I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns have some of these names highly.
Some surprises at some positions....
QB
Deshaun Watson
Sefo Lifau
Trubisky (with a strong caveat on his sample size)
No others are worth including due to score
RB
Jeremy McNichols
D'onta Foreman
Brian Hill
Christian McCaffrey
Aaron Jones/Cook/Perrine/Conner have equal score
WR
Chris Godwin
Curtis Samuel
Juju Smith-Schuster - All three have the same top score
Robert Davis
Zay Jones
TE
OJ Howard
David N'joku
Bucky Hodges - again equal score for the above three
Evan Engram
Jonnu Smith
OG
Ben Branden
Dion Dawkins
Taylor Moton
OT
Dion Dawkins (different metrics used for G and T)
JP Flynn
Taylor Moton
Edge
Jordan Willis
Sol Thomas and JJ Watt equal
Tyus Bowser
Haason Reddick
NB - Garrett doesn't meet a couple of numbers the above guys do but it's noted he has a near perfect elite profile in the other areas
DT
Sol Thomas (rated even higher here than at edge)
Malik McDowell
Charles Walker
Larry Ogunjobi
Montravius Adams
LB
Blair Brown
Jarrod Davis
Calvin Munson
Haason Reddick
Rarkwon McMillian
CB
Chidobe Awuzie
Kevin King
Marlon Humphrey
Fabian Moreau
Gareon Conley
S
Jamal Adams
Chidobe Awuzie (graded higher here than CB)
Xavier Woods
Chuck Clark/Marcus Williams/Obi Melifonwu/Nathan Gerry
Here are the top rated players at each position from an analytics/metrics based guide I have. Of course this is before film comes into play so pinches of salt required but as a starting point I wouldn't be surprised if the Browns have some of these names highly.
Some surprises at some positions....
QB
Deshaun Watson
Sefo Lifau
Trubisky (with a strong caveat on his sample size)
No others are worth including due to score
RB
Jeremy McNichols
D'onta Foreman
Brian Hill
Christian McCaffrey
Aaron Jones/Cook/Perrine/Conner have equal score
WR
Chris Godwin
Curtis Samuel
Juju Smith-Schuster - All three have the same top score
Robert Davis
Zay Jones
TE
OJ Howard
David N'joku
Bucky Hodges - again equal score for the above three
Evan Engram
Jonnu Smith
OG
Ben Branden
Dion Dawkins
Taylor Moton
OT
Dion Dawkins (different metrics used for G and T)
JP Flynn
Taylor Moton
Edge
Jordan Willis
Sol Thomas and JJ Watt equal
Tyus Bowser
Haason Reddick
NB - Garrett doesn't meet a couple of numbers the above guys do but it's noted he has a near perfect elite profile in the other areas
Well, this sounds like an excuse for every guy that doesn't meet this metrics top. He's not good enough as a football player, but he is "elite" in other area? What: identifying Dinosaur bones.
It looks to me that none of the guys that are highly rated in other venues are included here., except for a few.
These guys have the Colorado QB up there with everyone else.
So, either they are right on....and that is why we have so many busts among high draft picks....because the drafters don't follow these metrics....or they are full of shit.
DT
Sol Thomas (rated even higher here than at edge)
Malik McDowell
Charles Walker
Larry Ogunjobi
Montravius Adams
LB
Blair Brown
Jarrod Davis
Calvin Munson
Haason Reddick
Rarkwon McMillian
CB
Chidobe Awuzie
Kevin King
Marlon Humphrey
Fabian Moreau
Gareon Conley
S
Jamal Adams
Chidobe Awuzie (graded higher here than CB)
Xavier Woods
Chuck Clark/Marcus Williams/Obi Melifonwu/Nathan Gerry
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Might be interesting to some might not. What's not up for debate is our FO uses metrics just like this guide does,
albeit never gonna be an exact mirror image.
Might be interesting to some might not. What's not up for debate is our FO uses metrics just like this guide does,
albeit never gonna be an exact mirror image.
Then we can expect Watson to be the pick? Or Blair Browns?
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Metric Analysis: David Njoku is off in a few areas as a multiple All-Pro tight end. But his overall age,
athleticism, and production point toward a multiple Pro Bowl caliber tight end. And hes one of the
few tight ends to hit an All-Pro MSA rating over 80. All signs point toward great things for Njoku.
However, there are a few things off to make the claim that hes a truly generational talent.
Scheme Fit: H-Back
Projection: Long-term Starter to Pro Bowler
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Metric Analysis: Jabrill Peppers has a very interesting data profile. Elite explosiveness and speed. With
elite solo tackle and pass deflection market share. But his interception market share is not Pro Bowl
level. In addition to not performing the short shuttle or 3-Cone to determine flexibility.
A common concern of many who watched Peppers film including myself. So, what do we have here?
We have an explosive speed athlete who is solid at making tackles and forcing dead plays with his pass
deflections. But may not have elite abilities to find and capitalize on the ball in the air. How he was
used can also play a role here.
However, I would say based on his profile and athletic abilities that are proven I would project as a
long-term free safety starter with a slight chance to become a Pro Bowl outlier due to age. He is a
unique player with a unique profile. But being unique is not necessarily a bad thing when you have
some elite qualities. It just means that the sum of all his parts are more likely to disappoint if you dont
start with low expectations.
Projection: Long-term Starter to Potential Pro Bowler
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Peppers at FS... not seeing that, but certainly makes him a better team fit if he can handle it.
Njoku's youth may be as big an asset as anything. Blocking tech is pretty bad, but he seems willing.
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Metric Analysis: Jabrill Peppers has a very interesting data profile. Elite explosiveness and speed. With
elite solo tackle and pass deflection market share. But his interception market share is not Pro Bowl
level. In addition to not performing the short shuttle or 3-Cone to determine flexibility.
A common concern of many who watched Peppers film including myself. So, what do we have here?
We have an explosive speed athlete who is solid at making tackles and forcing dead plays with his pass
deflections. But may not have elite abilities to find and capitalize on the ball in the air. How he was
used can also play a role here.
However, I would say based on his profile and athletic abilities that are proven I would project as a
long-term free safety starter with a slight chance to become a Pro Bowl outlier due to age. He is a
unique player with a unique profile. But being unique is not necessarily a bad thing when you have
some elite qualities. It just means that the sum of all his parts are more likely to disappoint if you dont
start with low expectations.
Projection: Long-term Starter to Potential Pro Bowler
Metric Analysis: Gerbil Peppers has a very interesting data profile. Elite explosiveness and speed. With
elite solo tackle and pass deflection market share. But his interception market share is not Pro Bowl
level. In addition to not performing the short shuttle or 3-Cone to determine flexibility.
A common concern of many who watched Peppers film including myself. So, what do we have here?
We have an explosive speed athlete who is solid at making tackles and forcing dead plays with his pass
deflections. But may not have elite abilities to find and capitalize on the ball in the air. How he was
used can also play a role here.
However, I would say based on his profile and athletic abilities that are proven I would project as a
long-term free safety starter with a slight chance to become a Pro Bowl outlier due to age. He is a
unique player with a unique profile. But being unique is not necessarily a bad thing when you have
some elite qualities. It just means that the sum of all his parts are more likely to disappoint if you dont
start with low expectations.
Projection: Long-term Starter to Potential Pro Bowler
I guess, if he can break up passes, and is a sure tackler...which you want from a strong safety, but his interception skills are weak, but also his punt/kick return skills are superlative, that should be satisfactory. We WILL be taking a CB and likely another safety before this draft is over....so they can do the intercepting.
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Peppers at FS... not seeing that, but certainly makes him a better team fit if he can handle it.
Njoku's youth may be as big an asset as anything. Blocking tech is pretty bad, but he seems willing.
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In their press conference Hue said in the box and SS. And ST. And maybe, eventually some offense
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In their press conference Hue said in the box and SS. And ST. And maybe, eventually some offense
... eventually some offense
Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... but I guess we now have 5 SS candidates...
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... eventually some offense
Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... but I guess we now have 5 SS candidates...
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... eventually some offense
Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... but I guess we now have 5 SS candidates...
Going in, RB still looks to be his best position... but I guess we now have 5 SS candidates...
You think none of these guys can play free safety? I agree that we need a free safety....and that we should get one with either 52 or 65.....but can no one else cover that spot? Either Powell or Kindred or Campbell?
Maybe Peppers CAN play some OLB. That is one of our prime areas of need...though I hope the Browns pick up a Tim Williams or Duke Riley or the like.
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Myles Garrett SPARQ 149.3 NFL% 98.7, #1 of 160 EDGE
David Njoku SPARQ 142.4 NFL% 96.9, #2 of 94 TE
Jabril Peppers SPARQ 130.7 NFL% 89.1, #6 of 238 S
i would check out the top 10 of any spot in need and assume the browns will go after it. some of the Biggest needs we have currently are at CB and QB
CB1. Kevin King
5. Chidobe Awuzie
8. Ahkello Witherspoon
QB
5. Joshua Dobbs
6. Antonio Pipkin
12. Davis Webb
Coincidentally or these are all QB's we had at the senior bowl. -
All 21 or younger as well, the brief is clear
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Myles Garrett SPARQ 149.3 NFL% 98.7, #1 of 160 EDGE
David Njoku SPARQ 142.4 NFL% 96.9, #2 of 94 TE
Jabril Peppers SPARQ 130.7 NFL% 89.1, #6 of 238 S
i would check out the top 10 of any spot in need and assume the browns will go after it. some of the Biggest needs we have currently are at CB and QB
CB1. Kevin King
5. Chidobe Awuzie
8. Ahkello Witherspoon
QB
5. Joshua Dobbs
6. Antonio Pipkin
12. Davis Webb
Coincidentally or these are all QB's we had at the senior bowl.Myles Garrett SPARQ 149.3 NFL% 98.7, #1 of 160 EDGE
David Njoku SPARQ 142.4 NFL% 96.9, #2 of 94 TE
Jabril Peppers SPARQ 130.7 NFL% 89.1, #6 of 238 S
i would check out the top 10 of any spot in need and assume the browns will go after it. some of the Biggest needs we have currently are at CB and QB
CB
1. Kevin King
5. Chidobe Awuzie
8. Ahkello Witherspoon
QB
5. Joshua Dobbs
6. Antonio Pipkin
12. Davis Webb
Coincidentally or these are all QB's we had at the senior bowl.
I'll take a chimichanga (or is that a chalupa?) @ #52, and maybe Dobbs at the bottom of the 5th. If the metrics say Kizer sucks, I'm right with them. I'm going to pass watching today, and hope that the Browns don't screw up.
People, the trades say this year is another dumpster dive for Darnold in 2018.
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I think they get Peppers to LB ASAP.
Hit the roids kid.
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