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  • mjp28M mjp28

    @mld-woody said:

    Gather round children, as I tell you about Gerbil Peppers... Lol.

    I'm just getting a kick out of this board and the opinions around Peppers.

    So are we.

    @mjp28 said:

    So are we.

    With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
    mjp28M 1 Reply
  • W Westside Steve

    @bigalow80 said:

    WOW! I don't think i have ever seen a level of just general disgust for very little reason.

    Really? Shit, stop over at the political page one of these days.

    😁

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Really? Shit, stop over at the political page one of these days.

    😁

    WSS

    ????

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @mjp28 said:

    So are we.

    With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining

    @mld-woody said:

    With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining

    Yes a true legend in your own mind. 😉

    Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.

    GO BUCKEYES, BROWNS, INDIANS, CAVS, YSU, NAVY and yes I like ND!
    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...

    Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.

    While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?

    Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.

    But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.

    @tour2ma said:

    Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...

    Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.

    While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?

    Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.

    But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.

    This is spot on

  • B BaconHound

    @tour2ma said:

    Two 1's and three 2's in 2018 add up to a shit-pot full of draft capital... ain't no denying that. As for our 2017 start...

    Obviously I love Garrett... he was the only choice at #1.

    While I get the Peppers is an athlete, I don't see his SS value... especially on a team with what I see as four legit contenders at SS already on the roster. Now his situational use? His return skills? Even his RB ability... I get those, but does that add up to the #25 overall?

    Njoku... I can only guess our recon said move up or lose him. At 20 years old, he's a man-child with physical gifts. He does seem to have some "want-to" when it comes to inline blocking, but he has a ways to go... and I'm just not into one-dimensional TEs... especially when I see some already on our roster.

    But man, do we ever have a gaping Day 2/3 hole in our draft now... and there are a lot of good players there.

    This is spot on

    @baconhound said:

    This is spot on

    Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...

    Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    @baconhound said:

    This is spot on

    Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...

    Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...

    @tour2ma said:

    Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...

    Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...

    B....but....but... we got Jabrill 😆😆😆

    Pass rush can help our secondary. Watching as much film on Ogunjobi as I can right now. I'll be back tomorrow with my synopsis.

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  • W wargograw

    @roycerolls said:

    Lots to like about Njoku. He's an exceptional athlete with the physique of an action figure, but I am wondering who told you he has exceptional hands? 11% drop rate falls short of exceptional in my book.

    Something interesting: all of his drops were on passes 10 yards or less per PFF.

    @wargograw said:

    Something interesting: all of his drops were on passes 10 yards or less per PFF.

    They've been labeled focus drops, which doesn't necessarily mean he has bad hands, but he still has work to put in to be considered a guy with "exceptional hands"

  • tiamat63T tiamat63

    @tour2ma said:

    Thanks, BH.... unfortunately we saw it play out tonite. Zero help for our 2ndary...

    Now I gotta look in the bargain bins again...

    B....but....but... we got Jabrill 😆😆😆

    Pass rush can help our secondary. Watching as much film on Ogunjobi as I can right now. I'll be back tomorrow with my synopsis.

    @tiamat63 said:

    B....but....but... we got Jabrill 😆😆😆

    Pass rush can help our secondary. Watching as much film on Ogunjobi as I can right now. I'll be back tomorrow with my synopsis.

    Just to be clear... I wasn't dumping on Peppers... just noting we did not add any additional pieces to our 2ndary tonite... and there were many to be had.

    jobi has raw talent... looks both fast and powerful enough to back up everywhere from the 0 to 3 and maybe 5-tech, but not really an additional pass rush presence. Pretty sure we took care of that last nite...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • @boo-fagley said:

    But they are playoff caliber QBs who have been there a time or two.

    The Browns need Jimmy Garrapolo yesterday. Drafting a QB now is another hope and see approach. Chicago did not screw around even after signing Glennon.

    Don't get all butt hurt because we didn't trade for Wonder Boy. Don't single out the Browns either. The Chiefs and Texans traded away first round picks to move up and take qbs- but passed on offering their first rounders to the Patriots for Jimmy. Meaning they liked Mahomes and Watson better. Repeat after me- overrated.... Yeah, the Browns probably Browns it up taking Kizer, I would have traded a couple thirds too- to take Trubisky- But to move up from #12 would have been a sell the ranch move. The Bears not only screwed the Browns, but the Titans on top of it taking Mitch that early. I'd bet some heavy coin Cleveland and Tennessee had a trade worked out for the #5 pick. The Titans wound up having to take a WR @ #5 that they were planning on taking at #12.

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  • mjp28M mjp28

    @mld-woody said:

    With the context and background knowledge I have, it's even more entertaining

    Yes a true legend in your own mind. 😉

    Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.

    @mjp28 said:

    Yes a true legend in your own mind. 😉

    Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.

    Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times

    Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts

    Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up

    Just saying. Context

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
    hoortaH D BoneD 2 Replies
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @mjp28 said:

    Yes a true legend in your own mind. 😉

    Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.

    Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times

    Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts

    Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up

    Just saying. Context

    @mld-woody said:

    Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times

    Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts

    Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up.

    Just saying. Context

    Woody, I have to admit my dislike for the Woverines is far less than my disgust for the Golden Domers. I wouldn't hate you guys 1\2 as bad if you could do something about those horribly ugly helmets. Topped only by Maryland's. 🙂

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  • KvoetheK Kvoethe

    Wow, the nay sayers crack me up.

    I like the picks so far!! The browns are putting together a team first and then will plug in a Qb to finish it next year.

    Why draft a Qb and have him get destroyed or end up gun shy this upcoming season?

    Peppers is going to be the next polomalu and totally rejuvenate the defense.

    I have no problems with what they have done and until the season starts not a single one of you can predict what is going to happen. Let it play out and then reserve judgement.

    Go Browns!!!!

    Oh and Fuck Off Ghoolie!!

    @kvoethe said:

    Wow, the nay sayers crack me up.

    I wish I could laugh like you!

    It's the local media I blame for it though, they whip the fans up into a frenzy. For the likes of Grossi it's better for his career for the browns to suck and no matter where they go or what they do, he'll peddle that

  • I don't really think Grossi is that bad. Goldhammer is the one who needs the Browns to suck so he can continue his heel routine. He is such a weak radio personality that he needs a gimmick like trolling browns fans and nepotism.

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @mld-woody said:

    Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times

    Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts

    Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up.

    Just saying. Context

    Woody, I have to admit my dislike for the Woverines is far less than my disgust for the Golden Domers. I wouldn't hate you guys 1\2 as bad if you could do something about those horribly ugly helmets. Topped only by Maryland's. 🙂

    @hoorta said:

    Woody, I have to admit my dislike for the Woverines is far less than my disgust for the Golden Domers. I wouldn't hate you guys 1\2 as bad if you could do something about those horribly ugly helmets. Topped only by Maryland's. 🙂

    At least our helmets are money in the bank. Just look closely at the letters in the order they appear left to right. 😁 Get it?

    125px-Texas_A%26M_University_aTm_logo.sv

  • hoortaH hoorta

    @boo-fagley said:

    But they are playoff caliber QBs who have been there a time or two.

    The Browns need Jimmy Garrapolo yesterday. Drafting a QB now is another hope and see approach. Chicago did not screw around even after signing Glennon.

    Don't get all butt hurt because we didn't trade for Wonder Boy. Don't single out the Browns either. The Chiefs and Texans traded away first round picks to move up and take qbs- but passed on offering their first rounders to the Patriots for Jimmy. Meaning they liked Mahomes and Watson better. Repeat after me- overrated.... Yeah, the Browns probably Browns it up taking Kizer, I would have traded a couple thirds too- to take Trubisky- But to move up from #12 would have been a sell the ranch move. The Bears not only screwed the Browns, but the Titans on top of it taking Mitch that early. I'd bet some heavy coin Cleveland and Tennessee had a trade worked out for the #5 pick. The Titans wound up having to take a WR @ #5 that they were planning on taking at #12.

    @hoorta said:

    Don't get all butt hurt because we didn't trade for Wonder Boy. Don't single out the Browns either. The Chiefs and Texans traded away first round picks to move up and take qbs- but passed on offering their first rounders to the Patriots for Jimmy. Meaning they liked Mahomes and Watson better. Repeat after me- overrated.... Yeah, the Browns probably Browns it up taking Kizer, I would have traded a couple thirds too- to take Trubisky- But to move up from #12 would have been a sell the ranch move. The Bears not only screwed the Browns, but the Titans on top of it taking Mitch that early. I'd bet some heavy coin Cleveland and Tennessee had a trade worked out for the #5 pick. The Titans wound up having to take a WR @ #5 that they were planning on taking at #12.

    One man's "screwed" is another man's "saved"...

    Consider your examples of teams moving up for QBs... what does that tell you about the so-called, consensus, best QB in the draft?

    Back later.... gotta go say hello to an old friend I haven't seen in a while...

    @boo-fagley said:

    Its better for the Pats to keep Jimmy for insurance. Brisett can do the job, but Jimmy is ready to step in now like Brady was for Bledsoe.

    boo... welcome back buddy... was hoping you'd have had some fresh material for your return, but I guess not...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • My favorite line for the entire draft so far with a bit of paraphrase from memory, "The 49ers set out the old bait under a box with a stick and a string trap and caught themselves a Bear."

    Now that there is funny, I don't care who you are. 😁

  • Lynch picked up a second rounder next year from the Saints he's impressing in his first draft

  • Pretty good article on the draft so far: https://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl-draft-winners-losers-believe-browns-things-smart-way-044250536.html

    "Then the Browns – who everyone figured would get crazy and take a quarterback, maybe even trading up, in a draft class that wasn’t deep at quarterback – had a moment of zen. They were the sellers, not the buyers."

  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @mjp28 said:

    Yes a true legend in your own mind. 😉

    Context? Really? Not normal football jargon.

    Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times

    Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts

    Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up

    Just saying. Context

    @mld-woody said:

    Nope. But we've got a guy that started following Jabrill on the recruiting trail, watched every college snap he took, and saw him in person multiple times

    Vs a few guys that think they're elite NFL scouts

    Vs even more guys that made their evaluation as soon as the word "Michigan" came up

    Just saying. Context

    I don't fit any of those..... and still love the pick. 😎

    MLD WoodyM 1 Reply

  • @boo-fagley said:

    The Browns defense has the potential to be lights out, but you cannot have an offense that puts them on the field all game long.

    The Browns defense was like 31st or 32d last year. It is going to take more than a single DE to improve that.......and even adding a DB won't do it all. Two things could: the guys taken in past years really step up: Ogbah/Nassib/Schobert/Orchard etc. ....or they get really, really lucky with these lower round picks and find a couple of defensive studs that everyone else missed on.

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