California Proposition 8
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18-29 (20% of voters) 37% voted for the ban30-44 (28% of voters) 53%
45-64 (36% of voters) 53%
65+ (16% of voters) 59%
I think, as with all demographics, they need to be separated/further broken down. Those groups are just too darn big.
That whole "males 18-34" shit never flew with me because 18 year olds are vastly different, in every imaginable way, from 34 year olds. I don't feel AS STRONGLY for the difference between 30 and 44 year olds, but it is close.
What I'm saying is I think you're both correct, it's all how you look at the data....
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From the LA Times, look at these scary, weird people cheering the ban on gay marriage. Any straight man/woman who gets this excited over something that doesn't effect them one iota is downright frightening.
Well, it is Orange County, where McCain defeated Obama...
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Disappointing. I heard that the age demo was really stark. Gay marriage will be legal and accepted across the nation in 10 years, when the current 55 plus crowd gets nudged out.http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la- ... 6881.story
Yeah Shep, that must be it.
WSS
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Black males are about as homophobic as it gets' date=' Steve. Pretty well known. Deep, deep cultural thing.Sure glad somebody on the 'other side' didn't utter such racist rhetoric. There would be hell to pay. I guess saying that this is a 'deep cultural thing' is true only in this instance and not in any of the other stereotypes.
PS Black males don't go down on their Shorties, either.
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PS Black males don't go down on their Shorties, either.Evidently, according to Junior on the Sopranos, neither do Italian dudes.
Anybody remember the ep?
Yeah, that was the first or second season... a while ago!
I miss that series being on, it was really entertaining.
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Black males are about as homophobic as it gets, Steve. Pretty well known. Deep, deep cultural thing.Bottom line is that we no longer live in a culture where being a heterosexual male of European descent is a trump card. We truly will be living King, Jr.'s vision of a world where you're judged by the content of your character... and your intelligence, skill, talent, beauty, height, weight, integrity, kindness, etc. (!). But not much by your skin color, religion, gender, or sexual orientatation.
The dial has moved a ton in just the past decade or so. It'll double that pace in the next decade or so.
It certainly has Shep. You had better hope the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is just a fairy tale.
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PS Black males don't go down on their Shorties, either.Evidently, according to Junior on the Sopranos, neither do Italian dudes.
Anybody remember the ep?
When it smells like roses and tastes like whipped cream I'll eat a lot more of it.
WSS
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Black males are about as homophobic as it gets, Steve. Pretty well known. Deep, deep cultural thing.Bottom line is that we no longer live in a culture where being a heterosexual male of European descent is a trump card. We truly will be living King, Jr.'s vision of a world where you're judged by the content of your character... and your intelligence, skill, talent, beauty, height, weight, integrity, kindness, etc. (!). But not much by your skin color, religion, gender, or sexual orientatation.
The dial has moved a ton in just the past decade or so. It'll double that pace in the next decade or so.
It certainly has Shep. You had better hope the story of the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah is just a fairy tale.
It is.
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Most Calif. blacks backed proposition 8
53 percent of Latinos also supported the gay-marriage ban
High black voter turnout helped pass Prop 8
Nov. 6: California voters narrowly approved a measure to ban same-sex marriage, reversing a court decision in May that allowed it. NBC's Pete Williams reports.
LOS ANGELES, Nov. 6 - Any notion that Tuesday's election represented a liberal juggernaut must overcome a detail from the voting booths of California: The same voters who turned out strongest for Barack Obama also drove a stake through the heart of same-sex marriage.
Seven in 10 African Americans who went to the polls voted yes on Proposition 8, the ballot measure overruling a state Supreme Court judgment that legalized same-sex marriage and brought 18,000 gay and lesbian couples to Golden State courthouses in the past six months.
Similar measures passed easily in Florida and Arizona. It was closer in California, but no ethnic group anywhere rejected the sanctioning of same-sex unions as emphatically as the state's black voters, according to exit polls. Fifty-three percent of Latinos also backed Proposition 8, overcoming the bare majority of white Californians who voted to let the court ruling stand.
The outcome that placed two pillars of the Democratic coalition -- minorities and gays -- at opposite ends of an emotional issue sparked street protests in Los Angeles and a candlelight vigil in San Francisco. To gay rights advocates, the issue was one of civil rights. Attorney General Edmund G. "Jerry" Brown Jr. reworded the ballot language to state that a yes vote was a vote to "eliminate the rights of same-sex couples to marry."
That appeal ran head-on into a well-funded and well-framed advertising campaign in favor of the ban -- and the deeply ingrained religious beliefs of an African American community that largely declined to see the issue through a prism of equality.
"I think it's mainly because of the way we were brought up in the church; we don't agree with it," said Jasmine Jones, 25, who is black. "I'm not really the type that I wanted to stop people's rights. But I still have my beliefs, and if I can vote my beliefs that's what I'm going to do.
"God doesn't approve it, so I don't approve it. And I approve of Him."
The overwhelming rejection of same-sex marriage by black voters was surprising and disappointing to gay rights advocates who had hoped that African Americans would empathize with their struggle.
"I wasn't surprised by the Latinos," said Steve Smith, senior consultant for No on 8. "Basically, Latinos and the Anglo population were fairly close. The outlier of the proposition was African Americans. Many are churchgoing; many had ministers tell them to vote."
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"I wasn't surprised by the Latinos," said Steve Smith, senior consultant for No on 8. "Basically, Latinos and the Anglo population were fairly close. The outlier of the proposition was African Americans. Many are churchgoing; many had ministers tell them to vote."This isn't race-baiting but, I feel, is a fair question: why does this demographic get a pass when some crazies in CA are blaming a handfull of Mormons?
Doesn't that seem a bit weird?
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Doesn't that seem a bit weird?Blaming the Mormons is a) a bit over-the-top and
turned my 8 minute commute home yesterday into an hour.But, crazies are crazies, John. Who knows why they think as they do.
I believe nobody should "get a pass."
So you don't believe Randy Edsall should let up against Syracuse next Saturday night - in a game with BCS Bowl implications?
ESPNU
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I am hoping Randy Edsall (literally and figuratively) rips Greg Robinson's throat out, does the same to Daryl Gross, and then, as he is wading through their blood, has Nancy Cantor offer him the glowing briefcase in Pulp Fiction if he'll agree to be our next coach.
I'm not sure he would break his UCONN contract to go to a team in the same Conference. That would probably be a 'no no'.
I still believe SU should go hard after Turner Gill. Winter in Syracuse is better than winter in Buffalo!
Gill should be in their crosshairs, IMHO.
Basically, The Big East is a 'stepping stone' conference for coaches. It will probably take some time for this to change - if ever.
Those basketball only schools make the entire conference a tough sell for football.
I believe Tranghese is done this year. I hope they can bring in a football guy. Basketball is pretty healthy so there is no need to bring in a guy like that.
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The Big East Conference is dying, football-wise. At least, when we had teams in Florida (sorry, USF, you barely count, even though you're a decent program) and the South, we'd get some Southern exposure, and that's where a ton of good players come from. When you're recruiting in New England and Upstate NY, this is the conference you get.
I'm with you 100% on the Turner Gill thang. Problem is, our AD is a moron.
Did you see we hired a "search firm" to aid in the hiring of the new coach? Pathetic.
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Question, mz the pussy:
What 'rights' do married couples have that civil union couples don't have?
This is an honest questions with no hidden agenda.
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Question, mz the pussy:What 'rights' do married couples have that civil union couples don't have?
This is an honest questions with no hidden agenda.
What differences were there in the black schools than in the whites schools prior to Brown v. Board?
I am not saying that civil unions are like the black schools in that they are not worth as much, just that the supreme court ruled that separate but equal is unconstitutional.
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