Garrett Peppers and 1st rounder
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Love Garrett, I'm in the camp that doesn't believe Peppers has a 2-3 down position in the NFL which should be a given at #25. I'm also nervous that Hue is talking using Peppers on offense. He is going to have to learn both sides of the ball?
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Also in the news...
Michigan lost half its starters...
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I'll admit when they traded down I was pissed. I have to say though Garrett, peppers and Njoku AND 2018 1st? Close to a mic drop.
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as said 3 fucking starters but yet some assholes want to bitch we also get an extra first to make it almost impossible not to get the best qb in the draft next year
Well some trade ammunition in the first round might help.
I still think that they could've done better but isn't that true about everyone.
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Also in the news...
Michigan lost half its starters...
Only once, just to put it in this thread:
Michigan had a lot of seniors on the roster. A lot of guys from the Hoke era. Not nearly at the level Harbaugh is bringing in, but they had the experience and a few years of Harbaugh coaching. This is not a usual case of losing all your seniors and getting worse, as we're still turning it into Harbaughs team.
Ex, we had 3 Sr OL and none were drafted. Saying "Look at all of the Srs they lost!" doesn't mean much when the guys replacing them will be better.
Alright, that's it.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Peppers isn't half as good as Hooker. Hate this pick.
Ball hawking? No, Hooker wins that going away. But all around DB play? That gap narrows...
While I'm not a big fan of Chuckie, Gruden made a couple interesting comments about Peppers...
- his PassD numbers would have been much higher had been primarily utilized in a single-high role, and
- if he could pick one guy to be the last tackler between a ball carrier and the winning TD, it'd be Peppers.
Ball hawking? No, Hooker wins that going away. But all around DB play? That gap narrows...
While I'm not a big fan of Chuckie, Gruden made a couple interesting comments about Peppers...
- his PassD numbers would have been much higher had been primarily utilized in a single-high role, and
- if he could pick one guy to be the last tackler between a ball carrier and the winning TD, it'd be Peppers.
Another thing he said is in the NFL he'll face a lot of double tights 1 week, then see multiple Receiver sets another week and strong running game another week and a lot of different things; so the more experience he's had at multiple roles like covering a slot, playing LBer, playing corner, playing Safety, etc - the more intriguing he is to NFL DCs. Like you said, good tackling doesn't hurt either.
I like Mayock a lot even if I find him more of an expert at some positions than others. He was a DB raised by a high school football coach so when he rated Peppers #1 as a Safety - I trust his knowledge in doing so.
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Also in the news...
Michigan lost half its starters...
So did Bama but there are always a bunch of 5*****s just chomping at the bit to take their places. MFers!
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So did Bama but there are always a bunch of 5*****s just chomping at the bit to take their places. MFers!
Yup... motivated to get off special teams...
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Outside of Braylon Edwards and Derrick Alexander, Michigan has given us lunch pal guys to admire like Safety Thom Darden, Center Steve Everitt, RB Leroy Hoard and even FB/H-Back Aaron Shea.
Mike Mayock (who was raised by a high school football coach) before he got drafted as a DB - has a lot of knowledge of DBs and what they show on film. I trust why he rated Peppers #1. And like Jon Gruden said, it doesn't hurt to have experience at S, CB and LBer when heading to the NFL because of all the different schemes he'll face from week to week.1 week he may see a lot of double tight; another he may see a lot more spread, another week he may face a great run team so the more ways he can defend people (as used by Harbaugh's staff) - the more intriguing he gets. In 2016, he had 15 tackles for a loss and we've seen some of these that were fun to watch.
While Jalapeno Peppers might not warm everyone's groin in Ohio - I get the feeling he changed Gregg Williams' football wood factor from balsa to sequoia.
Outside of Braylon Edwards and Derrick Alexander, Michigan has given us lunch pal guys to admire like Safety Thom Darden, Center Steve Everitt, RB Leroy Hoard and even FB/H-Back Aaron Shea.
Mike Mayock (who was raised by a high school football coach) before he got drafted as a DB - has a lot of knowledge of DBs and what they show on film. I trust why he rated Peppers #1. And like Jon Gruden said, it doesn't hurt to have experience at S, CB and LBer when heading to the NFL because of all the different schemes he'll face from week to week.1 week he may see a lot of double tight; another he may see a lot more spread, another week he may face a great run team so the more ways he can defend people (as used by Harbaugh's staff) - the more intriguing he gets. In 2016, he had 15 tackles for a loss and we've seen some of these that were fun to watch.
While Jalapeno Peppers might not warm everyone's groin in Ohio - I get the feeling he changed Gregg Williams' football wood factor from balsa to sequoia.
Let's just hope he does not turn out to be ash....as in the stuff that is left after a tree catches on fire, not on the "brand" of tree itself.
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Michigan just took the lead over BAMA in this draft...
ROLL TIDE... or Woody will be insufferable...
Michigan just took the lead over BAMA in this draft...
ROLL TIDE... or Woody will be insufferable...
Ohio State had 7 in a "down" year....but had 3 in first round, and like 5-6 in rounds 1-3. TUN had more players taken down the line.
(and I think there were actually 3 that were left undrafted, including Stribling that the Browns picked up)
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Also in the news...
Michigan lost half its starters...
Only once, just to put it in this thread:
Michigan had a lot of seniors on the roster. A lot of guys from the Hoke era. Not nearly at the level Harbaugh is bringing in, but they had the experience and a few years of Harbaugh coaching. This is not a usual case of losing all your seniors and getting worse, as we're still turning it into Harbaughs team.
Ex, we had 3 Sr OL and none were drafted. Saying "Look at all of the Srs they lost!" doesn't mean much when the guys replacing them will be better.
Alright, that's it.
Only once, just to put it in this thread:
Michigan had a lot of seniors on the roster. A lot of guys from the Hoke era. Not nearly at the level Harbaugh is bringing in, but they had the experience and a few years of Harbaugh coaching. This is not a usual case of losing all your seniors and getting worse, as we're still turning it into Harbaughs team.
Ex, we had 3 Sr OL and none were drafted. Saying "Look at all of the Srs they lost!" doesn't mean much when the guys replacing them will be better.
Alright, that's it.
Of course, it remains to be seen if in fact they will be better.
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Peppers is the big question mark for me and many others. If...IF he works out, then it's an incredibly smart pick because it fills a couple of giant holes. If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close. Also, I didn't love our tackling in the secondary last year, and regardless of what some people say, I think Peppers can absolutely tackle. I don't necessarily think Peppers is "plug and play", and I do think he will require a defensive coordinator with vision and creativity. Luckily for us, I believe Gregg Williams is such a guy, and I'm hoping Peppers can be used in a similar role as Troy Palumalu. I am not, read again, NOT saying Peppers will be Palumalu, but I envision him playing that kind of role. Sitting at the line of scrimmage, dropping back, blitzing the QB....I think we can use him all over. Can you imagine just how fun it would be to have a guy that the defense has to account for every play? Peppers is also a fiery guy, and I like that.
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I don't doubt one second Peppers will work out great. Opposing offenses will have to game plan
for him - where he is, what he might do - defenses will start noticing that he can get an offensive play
...what will he do then? or is he just there that time to mess with their minds?
He'll be inspiring the Browns in all three phases I think. That reminds me of Cribbs - how tough and all out
he played every play. That means the world to guys who want to win.
The icing on the cake, is that both Peppers and Njoku were often listed as probable draft
short list players for the squealers. They settled for Watt.
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I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
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I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
Impressive. Nice. Absolutely.
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Love Garrett, I'm in the camp that doesn't believe Peppers has a 2-3 down position in the NFL which should be a given at #25. I'm also nervous that Hue is talking using Peppers on offense. He is going to have to learn both sides of the ball?
doesn't believe Peppers has a 2-3 down position in the NFL which should be a given
He does. MeatChicken didn't play him at his NFL position of SS last season.. because the only weakness of UM's D last season was speed on the edge other than Peppers.
. You're entitled to your opinion, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.. Peppers has a position whether you like [or accept] it or not. He doesn't have stats last year that might be considered "normal" for SS because....... he didn't play that position last year.The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
I saw that Njoku was a high jumper in track who cleared 6'10". Add that to the 6'4" frame and he wins most jump balls. This is a red zone nightmare for other teams.
Though know what Ag? Garrett had a couple more inches of vertical at the combine than Njoku. How's that for impressive? BTW looked it up- the combine record for vertical (any position) is 45", Myles did 42".
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Peppers is the big question mark for me and many others. If...IF he works out, then it's an incredibly smart pick because it fills a couple of giant holes. If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close. Also, I didn't love our tackling in the secondary last year, and regardless of what some people say, I think Peppers can absolutely tackle. I don't necessarily think Peppers is "plug and play", and I do think he will require a defensive coordinator with vision and creativity. Luckily for us, I believe Gregg Williams is such a guy, and I'm hoping Peppers can be used in a similar role as Troy Palumalu. I am not, read again, NOT saying Peppers will be Palumalu, but I envision him playing that kind of role. Sitting at the line of scrimmage, dropping back, blitzing the QB....I think we can use him all over. Can you imagine just how fun it would be to have a guy that the defense has to account for every play? Peppers is also a fiery guy, and I like that.
If we weren't dead last in return yards last year, we had to be close.
KO Return Ave. - 18.7 yd - 28th in league
Punt Return Ave. - 6.7 yd - 26th
Pretty good call... but about that Peppers - Palumalu comparison...
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hoorta-Same speed in the 40 though Myles improved his at pro day. Same height and wingspan too. Maybe he can cover him in practice on occasion just for grins.
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