Rush today
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Leg, come on now. He's not talking about the welfare state when he's talking about reparations. They're two different things. When he's talking about reparations, he means, you know, reparations.
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Here's more of what I mean, Inspecta. This is from today, from Richard Posner, a Reagan conservative, who just doesn't see his old party anymore, doesn't see the ideas, and just sees a bunch of disgruntled Sarah Palins and Joe the Plumbers.
"By the end of the Clinton administration, I was content to celebrate the triumph of conservatism as I understood it, and had no desire for other than incremental changes in the economic and social structure of the United States. I saw no need for the estate tax to be abolished, marginal personal-income tax rates further reduced, the government shrunk, pragmatism in constitutional law jettisoned in favor of "originalism," the rights of gun owners enlarged, our military posture strengthened, the rise of homosexual rights resisted, or the role of religion in the public sphere expanded. All these became causes embraced by the new conservatism that crested with the reelection of Bush in 2004.
My theme is the intellectual decline of conservatism, and it is notable that the policies of the new conservatism are powered largely by emotion and religion and have for the most part weak intellectual groundings. That the policies are weak in conception, have largely failed in execution, and are political flops is therefore unsurprising. The major blows to conservatism, culminating in the election and programs of Obama, have been fourfold: the failure of military force to achieve U.S. foreign policy objectives; the inanity of trying to substitute will for intellect, as in the denial of global warming, the use of religious criteria in the selection of public officials, the neglect of management and expertise in government; a continued preoccupation with abortion; and fiscal incontinence in the form of massive budget deficits, the Medicare drug plan, excessive foreign borrowing, and asset-price inflation.
By the fall of 2008, the face of the Republican Party had become Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. Conservative intellectuals had no party."
In other words, lots of DieHards and Cals and Steves, not enough Tupas.
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Here's more of what I mean, Inspecta. This is from today, from Richard Posner, a Reagan conservative, who just doesn't see his old party anymore, doesn't see the ideas, and just sees a bunch of disgruntled Sarah Palins and Joe the Plumbers.
"By the end of the Clinton administration, I was content to celebrate the triumph of conservatism as I understood it, and had no desire for other than incremental changes in the economic and social structure of the United States. I saw no need for the estate tax to be abolished, marginal personal-income tax rates further reduced, the government shrunk, pragmatism in constitutional law jettisoned in favor of "originalism," the rights of gun owners enlarged, our military posture strengthened, the rise of homosexual rights resisted, or the role of religion in the public sphere expanded. All these became causes embraced by the new conservatism that crested with the reelection of Bush in 2004.
My theme is the intellectual decline of conservatism, and it is notable that the policies of the new conservatism are powered largely by emotion and religion and have for the most part weak intellectual groundings. That the policies are weak in conception, have largely failed in execution, and are political flops is therefore unsurprising. The major blows to conservatism, culminating in the election and programs of Obama, have been fourfold: the failure of military force to achieve U.S. foreign policy objectives; the inanity of trying to substitute will for intellect, as in the denial of global warming, the use of religious criteria in the selection of public officials, the neglect of management and expertise in government; a continued preoccupation with abortion; and fiscal incontinence in the form of massive budget deficits, the Medicare drug plan, excessive foreign borrowing, and asset-price inflation.
By the fall of 2008, the face of the Republican Party had become Sarah Palin and Joe the Plumber. Conservative intellectuals had no party."
In other words, lots of DieHards and Cals and Steves, not enough Tupas.
In other words, lots of DieHards and Cals and Steves, not enough Tupas.
And faux intellectual arrogant kool aid swillin hypocritical blowhards like you Heck.
Rock on .
WSS
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Leg, come on now. He's not talking about the welfare state when he's talking about reparations. They're two different things. When he's talking about reparations, he means, you know, reparations.
Leg, come on now. He's not talking about the welfare state when he's talking about reparations. They're two different things. When he's talking about reparations, he means, you know, reparations.
Again, as I lead off with my 1st post on the matter, I'm not familiar with the context of the statement as I don't waste my day (afternoon? morning?) listening to Rush. But going off of what is quoted, grammatically, and rhetorically he is discussing unemployment and the welfare state. The objective is unemployment, and using the reparations bit as a descriptor.
I think Rush is mostly an idiot, and it helps the idiot persona if he's a racist too. I get it. It's just not in the quote.
However, if his show went something like:
[Donavon McNabb]
[commercial]
[quoted text]
Then yeah, he's a racist. (I can be like Kevin Drum too!)
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I get what you're saying, I just don't agree. At all. I think the inability to see instances of obvious racism and disdain for whole swaths of fellow Americans, and this insistence on living and dying by this white provincialism espoused by the Rush Limbaughs and Bill O'Reillys of the world, have become a hallmark of the older generation of the Republican Party, and it's part of the reason why young people have abandoned it in droves.
I posted something fairly detestable and obviously wrong that came out of the mouth of the guy who is calling the shots in the Republican Party. And I got a few people saying he was an idiot, but some saying what he said was inarguably true, and then a discussion on how black really are lazy and want government to take care of them, or your insistence that Kevin Drum is the one injecting race into this discussion. (????)
Rush can make statements like this, or tell a black caller to "take the bone out of your nose and call me back" but no, he's not a racist. He doesn't resent blacks. He just never has a kind word for them. Totally different.
I'm sure if you back up that quote and provide more context it'll sound totally reasonable, like it came from his happy place.
It's as if the only type of racism the right will acknowledge is the guy who says N***** to black people's faces, or the "burn a cross on your lawn" variety. Everything short of that is chalked up to something else. But they do love to point out instances where white people might be getting a fair shake - that's the real problem in this country!
And yet I don't imagine that there's a single person that agrees with the substance of what Rush is saying here - that Obama is deliberately tanking the economy in order to grow the welfare state as an indirect way to provide reparations to his fellow blacks. (Apparently the only people on welfare, according to Rush.)
Or maybe I shouldn't speak so soon.
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Forgive me. I must be thinking of the other kind of "blackface & soft-shoeing."
Again, I don't agree with Rush that Obama is purposefully tanking the economy so that he can increase the welfare state. But I still think he is making the point a long the lines of "this Obama introduced welfare state will be wasteful and silly and ineffective. Remember how ineffective reparations were? That's what it will be like." Not "thar's a colored in the white house, he's finally gonna give "his people" all them thar reparations we wuz hearin' about!"
And I think Drum took the latter tack and phoned it in, because it's easy.
p.s. I hate you for making me quasi-defend Rush Demeraugh for 3 or so posts. I need a drink.
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Sorry. I'm sure you don't like defending Rush any more than I like defending Michael Moore.
But at least give up on this idea that by citing famously racist acts like blackface this means Kevin Drum is injecting race into this discussion. He's clearly saying something similar to what I just said - that you don't need the explicitly racist trappings to be able to see the racism in what Rush said.
And I also think you're completely misreading Rush's quote. He's clearly saying this is Obama's backdoor method of giving more welfare to blacks, so much so that it's tantamount to reparations.
I don't see how you can read it the way you're doing it.
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T, stop looking at Heck.
you were looking at the Left's ass, Right?
And, Rush does not run the Republican party.
Heck just parrots the latest ignorant squawk from moveonupobama'sleg.org
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Actually Heck is just following orders.
This is the tack these bums have decided to take.
You can't really defend the president so you instead run with personal attacks against Palin's kids, Joe the Plumber and of course the hated Limbaugh.
And keep playing the race card. Remind the base over and over that they'd be rich and successful if not for the white man.
It's an easy accusation and puts the opposition on the defense.
Of cpourse the entire Obama campaign is centered around payback.
The little guy, the working man, the poor soldiers forced to work in danger, blacks, immigrants, Muslims all have been kept down by the rich Republicans.
Obama will punish then and punish the evil corporations that have kept you all from the happiness you deserve.
It's garbage and Heck knows it.
He also knows it works at least for now.
(plus I'll bet he makes sure to avoid the "diverse" areas of L A. at all cost)
"Disdain for entre swaths of fellow Americans" is your rallying cry.
WSS
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Ha. That was a particularly deranged/obsessive post.
Just who is giving me orders again in this world you've created in your head? I want to know so I can ask them for more money.
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Ha. That was a particularly deranged/obsessive post.
Just who is giving me orders again in this world you've created in your head? I want to know so I can ask them for more money.
Ha. That was a particularly deranged/obsessive post.
But true.
Just who is giving me orders again in this world you've created in your head? I want to know so I can ask them for more money.
Come now let's not pretend it isn't the talking point of the week.
Janeane and you both got your marching orders.
How many race cards you got in that deck??
WSS
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Don't you find it embarrassing that you've once again resorted to arguing that deep down I know you're right and I just can't admit it?
Seems that there's never a point when one couldn't trot that one out, including when one is on the losing side of every debate.
But seriously, who am I taking my marching orders from? I read a quote from Rush and I posted it here to get everyone's reaction. There's some sort of conspiracy behind this in your head?
You should probably relax. It's going to be okay.
Oh, and do you agree with Rush that Obama is purposefully tanking the economy in order to hand out government money to blacks on welfare?
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You don't see an economic rationale for this, Inspecta? Isn't the idea to keep people from having to cut back on spending (70% of the economy) when the economy is already in a serious recession?
Isn't that the reason why they pushed for extended unemployment insurance? Moody's estimates that every dollar spent on increased unemployment benefits increases economic activity by $1.63. Isn't that why this is a good idea?
As for food stamps, I don't think Obama changed anything, as food stamps are part of the farm bill and that was passed in 2008. It's simply a matter of more people qualifying because of the recession.
So again, I don't think much of this argument that what he's trying to do is buy votes. Or to use Rush's "logic", if we're talking about black people on welfare, and blacks all vote for Obama anyway, why does he need to buy their vote?
This is about economics, and helping Americans out in tough times. (Because we're a really rich country, and we don't need to let people go hungry here.)
Rush is either a racist idiot, or playing to an audience of racist idiots. I'm not sure which one is worse.
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@inspecta said:
That's an awesome picture. Man those are some scary powerful creatures.When I talk about a real RT, that is what i am talking about, though it looks like that inside swim move is going to work out.
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Here's another conservative, Jerry Taylor, writing in the National Review today about this very subject.
"The question for conservatives is this: Do you want President Obama to succeed in painting the Republican party as the party of Rush Limbaugh? Given his sub-Nixon popularity figures, I canβt believe Iβm causing a firestorm by suggesting the answer here is probably βno.β
"...when Limbaugh and/or Hannity argue in a manner that is not βgood and right and justβ (for instance, when Sean Hannity gives airtime without a discouraging word to someone who claims that Barack Obama is an deep-plant agent for Islamic terrorism), then at least backing away slowly is well worth doing."
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Heck, the Dennis Kucinich of the board, surfaces from the mire.
Cherry picking quotes and attacking conservative talk show guys.
eh... has this been done before less than a MILLION FREAKIN TIMES?
But true to his spouting orders, he won't ever start a thread about
Nancy Piglosi lying about being briefed about the methods used
to get info from terrorists.
Nooooooope.
It must be hell only picking at the right, when the left is fodder for
the same intense scrutiny and you are afraid to eval the left because
you would be subject to the left's evil eyes.
"BOO"
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Don't you find it embarrassing that you've once again resorted to arguing that deep down I know you're right and I just can't admit it?
Seems that there's never a point when one couldn't trot that one out, including when one is on the losing side of every debate.
But seriously, who am I taking my marching orders from? I read a quote from Rush and I posted it here to get everyone's reaction. There's some sort of conspiracy behind this in your head?
You should probably relax. It's going to be okay.
Oh, and do you agree with Rush that Obama is purposefully tanking the economy in order to hand out government money to blacks on welfare?
Don't you find it embarrassing that you've once again resorted to arguing that deep down I know you're right and I just can't admit it?
I might if it weren't true.
Does it embarrass you to play a race card no matter what the issue?
That in fact some just can't accept a black man?
It sould.
Seems that there's never a point when one couldn't trot that one out, including when one is on the losing side of every debate.
Sorry. There's an argument? You don't like Rush. It's the Dem plan to focus on him. I get it.
But seriously, who am I taking my marching orders from? I read a quote from Rush and I posted it here to get everyone's reaction.
There's some sort of conspiracy behind this in your head?
Oh you're just regurgitatin the Dem talking points we hear daily. It's not like you heard Rush say that and wanted to discuss it.
You should probably relax. It's going to be okay.
Yep. If we're lucky. Not as OK as it could be I suspect.
It was OK under Bush.
But you cried and bitched every day.
Oh, and do you agree with Rush that Obama is purposefully tanking the economy in order to hand out government money to blacks on welfare?
To everyone on welfare.
And not only on welfare, since those people are in the bag already, but bitter and envious people of all races.
As long as you blame the "rich man" for all your troubles big or small and remind them that only your party cares.
Most every coup, armed or not, begins with class envy and socialism.
(ps before you go into full bluster socialism means taking more from a small percent of producers to give to those who don't care to produce so much,)
WSS
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