What Draft "Mistakes" Did You See?
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To me it's the Chiefs trading up to get Mahomes. I mean he's so raw he's such a reach in the first rd.
Also the 9ers. Trading up to get Foster then now finding out he won't play in his rookie year.
Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs
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I guess the answer to this might not be clear for a while. If people here start talking about the rookie of the year candidates that we could have had instead of.....
But I think MG is safe.
WSS
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To me it's the Chiefs trading up to get Mahomes. I mean he's so raw he's such a reach in the first rd.
Also the 9ers. Trading up to get Foster then now finding out he won't play in his rookie year.
Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs
Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs
Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL.
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Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs
Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL.
Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL.
Good pickup Mark. I would not have thought of that, but very similar kind of player indeed. Hope our wolverine works out as well as their honey badger.
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I wasn't a fan of the Browns trade back. We have passed on so many good players over the years by trading back. I thought the compensation we got was light moving back 13 spots. We should have gotten at least another pick in the 17 or 18 draft. I would have had Hooker or OJ Howard, or Allen there.
I wasn't a fan of the Browns trade back. We have passed on so many good players over the years by trading back. I thought the compensation we got was light moving back 13 spots. We should have gotten at least another pick in the 17 or 18 draft. I would have had Hooker or OJ Howard, or Allen there.
I agree.
I think we took an exciting prospect at 25 and I hope he pans out playing in the secondary....but we should've done better than Houston's late 1st round pick in 2018.
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I'll start with the most obvious (to me), and that's moving down from 12 to 25. Free Safety is a glaring hole on our roster, and we had the chance to take the best prospect at that position in years. Now, this is a trade that COULD end up going in our favor, but I'm not sure. We STILL have the hole at Free Safety, and Peppers can be viewed as somewhat of a gamble. True, ANY draft pick carries obvious risk, but selecting a player in the first round that doesn't enter the NFL with a verified position when you COULD'VE taken the best Free Safety in years? Risky to say the least. Yeah, it's great to have that extra first round pick next year, and it COULD be a lot higher than it was this year, but man...I just hope we didn't seriously screw ourselves.
I'm not trying to be negative, and I actually do like Peppers. However, I don't like him as much as Hooker, not even close. Gregg Williams is JUST the guy to work with Peppers (in my opinion), but having a ball-hawking safety on our team would've been JUST what we needed. Peppers isn't known to excel in coverage, and I feel like he's more of a project than anything. The ways this trade goes into our favor is for Peppers to be the player I envision in my head (lines up everywhere, blitzes the QB, stops the run, drops into coverage, etc), or if we use that pick next year to help get our QB. I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want.
Hooker was the best FS prospect in years?
Hooker was the best FS prospect in years?
That COULD be a stretch, but I'm pretty sure it's not. There's obviously no way to know, but had he not been recovering from two surgeries, there's a good chance he goes MUCH higher. You don't often see FS go that high. Again, this is not scientific, but yes...I think he's the best FS prospect to come out in a while. If not at the top, he was up there.
And let me say that I desperately WANT the trade to work out, and I'm rooting for Peppers with all of my heart. As I said, I can definitely envision a scenario in which Peppers plays well for us and kind of creates his own position. I believe Gregg Williams is an excellent fit for someone like Peppers, as he has the imagination needed to see proper use of this physical specimen. However, don't be surprised if it takes Peppers a bit longer to come around. He has much to learn, and our coaches also have much to learn in regards to using him properly. I already love Peppers' attitude, fire, and demeanor, and I'm hoping it's contagious.
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I wasn't a fan of the Browns trade back. We have passed on so many good players over the years by trading back. I thought the compensation we got was light moving back 13 spots. We should have gotten at least another pick in the 17 or 18 draft. I would have had Hooker or OJ Howard, or Allen there.
I agree.
I think we took an exciting prospect at 25 and I hope he pans out playing in the secondary....but we should've done better than Houston's late 1st round pick in 2018.
I agree.
I think we took an exciting prospect at 25 and I hope he pans out playing in the secondary....but we should've done better than Houston's late 1st round pick in 2018.
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Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL.
Good pickup Mark. I would not have thought of that, but very similar kind of player indeed. Hope our wolverine works out as well as their honey badger.
Good pickup Mark. I would not have thought of that, but very similar kind of player indeed. Hope our wolverine works out as well as their honey badger.
Hope so....I really only saw one game that he played (against OSU) and he wasn't all that impressive. But all reviews are that he loves the game and loves to play and that's a good start. I did like that he did the workouts at the combine with both the LB and the DB. Not sure I've heard of many others doing that.
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Also Peppers...ya hate me if you want but he's a tweener. Where does he fit in other than a player in STs
Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL.
Only disagreement with this and before the draft I would've agreed with you but now that Peppers is in Cleveland, you know who else was a tweener was Mathieu in Arizona and he's played pretty damn well in the NFL.
I was so happy when honey badger fell to us in the 2013 draft, I was positive that we would take him.
Then..the browns select...Leon McFadden
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I'll start with the most obvious (to me), and that's moving down from 12 to 25. Free Safety is a glaring hole on our roster, and we had the chance to take the best prospect at that position in years. Now, this is a trade that COULD end up going in our favor, but I'm not sure. We STILL have the hole at Free Safety, and Peppers can be viewed as somewhat of a gamble. True, ANY draft pick carries obvious risk, but selecting a player in the first round that doesn't enter the NFL with a verified position when you COULD'VE taken the best Free Safety in years? Risky to say the least. Yeah, it's great to have that extra first round pick next year, and it COULD be a lot higher than it was this year, but man...I just hope we didn't seriously screw ourselves.
I'm not trying to be negative, and I actually do like Peppers. However, I don't like him as much as Hooker, not even close. Gregg Williams is JUST the guy to work with Peppers (in my opinion), but having a ball-hawking safety on our team would've been JUST what we needed. Peppers isn't known to excel in coverage, and I feel like he's more of a project than anything. The ways this trade goes into our favor is for Peppers to be the player I envision in my head (lines up everywhere, blitzes the QB, stops the run, drops into coverage, etc), or if we use that pick next year to help get our QB. I predict we'll be picking at around #10 (our pick) and #14 (Texans' pick) next year in the 1st round. That, combined with our THREE second round picks is quite a haul, and that pretty much guarantees that we can get almost anybody we want.
Hooker was the best FS prospect in years?
Hooker was the best FS prospect in years?
Who was better?
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Hooker was the best FS prospect in years?
Who was better?
Ramsey. Even though I think he played more corner than safetyWho was better?
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Ramsey. Even though I think he played more corner than safetyWho was better?
Ramsey. Even though I think he played more corner than safety
Then he would not be a free safety, would he? He would be a corner.
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Adams as well
Adams, in this year's draft? Is he FS or SS? And if so, he went ahead of Hooker, no?
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lol... Stephen was a Clarence Scott fan? (IIRC)
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What really doesn't make sense with the trubs pick is that the bears roster is trash. Trubs did decent in his one year starting, but if he had a college roster equivalent to the bears....does anyone think he'd be the top QB prospect after winning 2 games in his one season as a starter?
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Adams as well
Adams, in this year's draft? Is he FS or SS? And if so, he went ahead of Hooker, no?
He did. Are we talking about the same thing? I thought you were asking who was a better safety prospect than Hooker recently. And Ramsey played both. I would say he is as good or a better prospect than Hooker even at safetyAdams, in this year's draft? Is he FS or SS? And if so, he went ahead of Hooker, no?
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Overall I think most will agree Chicago dealt against themselves.
For the Browns not overly enamored with Peppers or Njoku but right now I'm riding the post draft high that we are all on...
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