The proof is NOT in the film

[Pumpkin Eater]

DeSuck Suckzer sucks.

[The Gipper]

@texasag1969 said:

Jim McMahon on the '85 Bears. That's all they needed.

I guess I never thought of McMahon as the "game manager" type. Perhaps it was his personality.....but perhaps the personality didn't match up with his style.

Outrageous personal style.....calm steady QB style? Can that be?

[The Gipper]

@stinkhole said:

Yeah, Neil O'Donnell.

IMO the main ingredient to being a top game manager is no interceptions. O'Donnell entered Super Bowl XXX having the NFL record for the least amount of interceptions per passes thrown...he then proceeds to throw 2 in that game.

Yes, good one. There have probably been a few others like him whose "game management style" got them to the brink but not over it.

Could Kerry Collins be another? Though I think of him as more than a "game manager".

[Tour2ma]

Hue is surprised... and pleased...

Browns coach Hue Jackson praises QB Brock Osweiler
Pat McManamonESPN Staff Writer

BEREA, Ohio -- Hue Jackson had positive words for quarterback Brock Osweiler on Wednesday, calling the quarterback a "pleasant surprise" as the Cleveland Browns worked in Week 2 of OTAs.

"He's done a good job," the Browns coach said of Osweiler, who was acquired from Houston in March. "He works hard at it every day. He's into it. I think he really enjoys being here."

Osweiler is working with Cody Kessler, rookie DeShone Kizer and Kevin Hogan as the Browns sort through who will be the starter. This was not his week to speak to the media, but a week ago he said he could not have felt more welcome.

As for expectations, Jackson was candid in saying his were not exactly soaring when Osweiler arrived.

"I expected everything that you guys wrote," Jackson said. "I watched everything that you guys wrote about what he was and what he wasn't. I heard it from everywhere, too."

Osweiler had a winning record last season for Houston -- his one season as a full-time starter -- but he also threw 16 interceptions and completed just 59 percent, both fourth-lowest in the league.

Jackson clearly was aware, but he has insisted since he came to Cleveland he would judge what he sees.

"I think you guys know me; I don't judge people by what everybody else says," Jackson said. "But everybody has a reputation before them. His was a little bit different. He's not any of that that we've [seen]. The guy has been outstanding in our building, and I think that's what's most important."

Jackson said Osweiler is "long and lanky" when he throws but said he moves well for a guy who stands 6-feet-8. He said Osweiler's height can make him look gangly but that he is so tall that he can drop passes over defenders.

At one point in practice, Osweiler limped away after being caught in a tangle of linemen after he fell while moving up in the pocket. Trainers checked him, but he returned soon after.

Jackson said he told Osweiler on Tuesday that he sees improvement from a year ago.

"He looks much better right now," Jackson said. "He's more compact. He's throwing the ball with a lot more velocity. He's doing a lot of good things. He needs to keep going, just like all our quarterbacks do."

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/19506394/cleveland-browns-coach-hue-jackson-praises-qb-brock-osweiler

[The Gipper]

QBs that tall usually do not turn out so well:

Of course, Dan McGwire comes to mind.

Ryan Mallett...not so hot.

Mike Glennon...not so hot so far

Derek Anderson...hot one year...but that was it.

6' 6" Joe Flacco......maybe the best NFL QB 6'6" or taller.

Or, would that be Cam Newton? Also 6'6"

These last two give hope that a taller QB can succeed.

Tallest QBs in the HOF? 6'4" Dan Marino and 6'4" Troy Aikman. That will change when the 6'5" Peyton Manning and same height Ben R. likely go in.

[jiggins7919]

Been reading from a couple media guys that were at the OTA's that Brock is looking pretty good. Zac Jackson even said, "Brock looks like the best one out there, and it's not even close."

Now, this isn't a giant surprise. John Elway offered this guy a bunch of money to be the guy in Denver, and John doesn't historically do that for just anyone. Brock is big, tall, and more mobile than you think. He also throws a good ball and has plenty of juice on it. Don't be surprised if Brock looks great when it doesn't count, but then sucks when the lights come on. Classic, "Look like Tarzan, play like Jane" kind of guy.

Or maybe he's truly garbage, or maybe...just maybe...the guy is actually a decent player and we found a steal.

[Pumpkin Eater]

Of course he looks great compared to desuck suckzer and sucky suckler.

[jcam222]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Of course he looks great compared to desuck suckzer and sucky suckler.

you really need new material

[TexasAg1969]

@jiggins7919 said:

Been reading from a couple media guys that were at the OTA's that Brock is looking pretty good. Zac Jackson even said, "Brock looks like the best one out there, and it's not even close."

Now, this isn't a giant surprise. John Elway offered this guy a bunch of money to be the guy in Denver, and John doesn't historically do that for just anyone. Brock is big, tall, and more mobile than you think. He also throws a good ball and has plenty of juice on it. Don't be surprised if Brock looks great when it doesn't count, but then sucks when the lights come on. Classic, "Look like Tarzan, play like Jane" kind of guy.

Or maybe he's truly garbage, or maybe...just maybe...the guy is actually a decent player and we found a steal.

Elway wanted him to stay but would not match the money Houston offered. Too bad for Denver but good for the Browns if he turns out to be the 2015 version.

[ballpeen]

I have high hopes for the guy. O'Brien is a difficult person. My hope is Brock responds better to Hue's coaching style.

[Tour2ma]

@ballpeen said:

O'Brien is a difficult person.

Such understatement deserves quotation...

[TopDawg31]

Can anyone name a QB that succeeded in Bill O'Briens offense? I have hope for Brock and fully expect him to be our opening day starter.

[Mudfly]

@topdawg31 said:

Can anyone name a QB that succeeded in Bill O'Briens offense?

Tom Brady....

[TopDawg31]

@mudfly said:

Tom Brady....

Ok so one got lucky, but was it really Obrien? Dude has had many years of success without him.

[Mudfly]

@topdawg31 said:

Ok so one got lucky, but was it really Obrien? Dude has had many years of success without him.

Of course he's had success w/o him.....how many star QB's are great because of their coaches?

My point would be that good QB's usually play good and bad QB's usually dont....no matter who the coach is....

Obrien doesnt really have an NFL pedigree, as the Patriots are pretty much the only NFL team he has coached for....cept the Texans, who have yet to tap into a good QB since he's been there....IE: he's had the amazing opportunity to coach Ryan Mallet, Brian Hoyer, Brandon Weeden, TJ Yates and Brock.....

The one (almost) decent guy they have given him was Ryan Fitzpatrick, who happened to have his highest rating in 10 season the one year he played there.....not saying it was Obriens doing, just saying it is what it is.....

[Tour2ma]

All true... so what I think we can surmise from Bill-O's success/failure examples is the his "system" is more demanding mentally than it is physically.

Can't say for sure where Hue's demand levels are comparatively, but my impression is that mental is less while physical is greater.

[Pumpkin Eater]

@jcam222 said:

you really need new material

Ok jsuck22suck

[RoyceRolls]

@pumpkin-eater said:

Of course he looks great compared to desuck suckzer and sucky suckler.

You strike me as the kind of guy who secretively writes "poop" on a piece of scratch paper and then giggles uncontrollably.