Manny Ramirez SUSPENDED 50 Games - Performance Enhancers
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@inspecta said:
Baseball blows, and I'm with Flugs, they went very wrong when a bunch of juiced up posers erased the records of real men with real talent.I haven't followed baseball with any fervor since I was a kid and Charles Nagy was on the mound and Carlos Baerga was at 2nd base.
I'll ditto that. Until baseball takes the same stance as track & field, first offense you're gone for two years, next one is a lifetime ban. And void all their records while you're at it. No one shed a tear when Ben "the steroid factory" Johnson got his world record in the 100 wiped out. As far as I'm concerned, McGuire, Sosa's, A-roid, Bonds, & Clemens records all belong in the trash can, and like Pete Rose- no Hall of Fame for you.
I'll ditto that. Until baseball takes the same stance as track & field, first offense you're gone for two years, next one is a lifetime ban. And void all their records while you're at it. No one shed a tear when Ben "the steroid factory" Johnson got his world record in the 100 wiped out. As far as I'm concerned, McGuire, Sosa's, A-roid, Bonds, & Clemens records all belong in the trash can, and like Pete Rose- no Hall of Fame for you.
How do you do that exactly?
The void their records part. Do you just ignore Sosa's career even though he never once tested positive for performance enhancers? You'd clearly have to do the same for Clemente and everyone in his era, what with greenies stacked on the table of locker rooms for all to enjoy back in the day.
Obviously, the same gifts were given to football players.
I just don't understand how anyone can be so certain - so positive - that certain players benefited from enhancers while others clearly did not.
Beanpot
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Here is a profile of the drug. This is an older article and says the drug can't be tested for, so that is false. Manny has been juicing for years, my only question is he had to have somebody holding his hand for him doing it cuz that dumb bastard is way too stupid to do juice on his own.
HCG (Generic name: Human chorionic gonadotropin)
Pregnyl by Organon. 5,000 to 20,000 IU (International Units) per 10 cc vials. This drug is not a steroid but it is widely used in athletics today. HCG is a natural protein hormone secreted by the human placenta and purified form the urine of pregnant women. This hormone is not a natural male hormone but mimics the natural hormone LH (Luetinising Hormone) almost identically. This LH stimulates the production of testosterone by the testis in males. Thus HCG sends the same message and results in increased testosterone production by the testis due to HCG’s effect on the leydig cells of the testis.
Normally this HCG is used to treat women with certain ovarian disorders and it is used to stimulate the testis of men who may be hypogonadal. Athletes use HCG to increase the body’s own natural production of testosterone which is often depressed by long term steroid use. Also when steroids are used in high dosages they can cause false signals to the hypothalamus that results in a depressed signal to the testicles. Over a period of weeks of this depressed signal the testicles ability to respond to any signal from the pituitary becomes very weak, which results in testicular atrophy. To avoid this athletes will use HCG to keep an artificial signal going to the testis and preventing testicular atrophy. When administered, HGC raises serum testosterone very quickly. A rise in testosterone firs appears in about two hours after injecting HCG. The second peak occurs about two to four days later.
HCG therapy has been found to be very effective in the prevention of testicular atrophy and to use the body’s own biochemical stimulating mechanisms to increase plasma testosterone level during training. Some steroid users find that they have some of their best strength and size gains while using HCG in conjunction with the steroids. This may wee be due to the facts that the body has high level of natural androgens as well as the artificial steroid hormones at that time.
The optimal dosage for an athlete using HCG has never been established, but it is thought that a single shot of 1000 to 2000 IU per week will get the desired results. Cycles on the HCG should be kept down to three weeks at a time with an off cycle of at least a month in between. For example, one might use the HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of a cycle, and for two or three weeks at the end of a cycle. It has been speculated that the prolonged use of HCG could repress the body’s own production of gonadotropins permanently. This is why the short cycles are the best way to go.
The side effects from HCG use include gynecomastia, water retention, and an increase in sex drive, mood alterations, headaches, and high blood pressure. HCG raises androgen levels in males by up to 400% but it also raises estrogen levels dramatically as well. This is why it can cause a real case of gynecomastia if dosages get too elevated for that person. Another side effect seen from HCG use is morning sickness (nausea and vomiting). There have been no cases of overdose complications with the use of HCG nor have there been any associated carcinomas, liver or renal impairment. HCG was at one point looked at to see if it could carry the AIDS virus, due to the fact that it is biologically active, but the latest word is that this could not be possible in any way.
So we see how HCG be used by athletes to avoid some of the problems associated with abruptly stopping a steroid cycle. This product is also not picked up on steroid tests, so some athletes use it to keep androgen levels high before a contest that has drug testing. HCG must be refergerated after it is mixed together, and it then has a life of about 10 weeks. It is taken intramuscularly only; this drug is often available by order of a physician if you show symptoms of hypogonadism. It is hard to find on the black market.
HCG (Generic name: Human chorionic gonadotropin)
Pregnyl by Organon. 5,000 to 20,000 IU (International Units) per 10 cc vials. This drug is not a steroid but it is widely used in athletics today. HCG is a natural protein hormone secreted by the human placenta and purified form the urine of pregnant women.
hCG is the substance detected by home pregnancy tests.
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Look, Womanny isn't a bad guy, she was suffering from herniated ovaries.
That suspension was so uncalled for.
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HCG (Generic name: Human chorionic gonadotropin)
Pregnyl by Organon. 5,000 to 20,000 IU (International Units) per 10 cc vials. This drug is not a steroid but it is widely used in athletics today. HCG is a natural protein hormone secreted by the human placenta and purified form the urine of pregnant women.
hCG is the substance detected by home pregnancy tests.
hCG is the substance detected by home pregnancy tests.
Umm, yeah, but I'm going out on a limb and saying ManRam wasn't taking it for that particular purpose nor was he trying to cut weight.
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I love baseball; I really do...this stuff just makes me sad...bunch of tools
When do we get a real team back in Cleveland?
Beans - Offer is still open for a Clippers game at Huntington Park...on me; we can rehash old RR days under the sun
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I played baseball for a better part of my childhood and now I am an assistant coach for the high school that I graduated from. It really hurts me when I hear the guys on my team say they look up to these douche nozzles. I honestly can't see a reason to realistically look at anyone in MLB that's name is out there for records or hitting titles or whatever and says he's clean. I honestly can't think of anyone that contends for the hitting crown that's clean other than pujols. As far as pitching goes it makes my stomach turn when you hear of kids coming out of high school and college that are having Tommy John surgery to even stand a chance of competing in the big leagues. These kids are throwing so hard and basically rebuilding their arms just to have a chance to pursue their childhood dream of playing in the pros. When the guys they are sacrificing the bodies for are nothing but mere cowards and cheats. And these assholes are suppoed to be role models. Bud Selig should be beaten for allowing this to get this far. Thanks for ruining one of America's past times.
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I'll ditto that. Until baseball takes the same stance as track & field, first offense you're gone for two years, next one is a lifetime ban. And void all their records while you're at it. No one shed a tear when Ben "the steroid factory" Johnson got his world record in the 100 wiped out. As far as I'm concerned, McGuire, Sosa's, A-roid, Bonds, & Clemens records all belong in the trash can, and like Pete Rose- no Hall of Fame for you.
How do you do that exactly?
The void their records part. Do you just ignore Sosa's career even though he never once tested positive for performance enhancers? You'd clearly have to do the same for Clemente and everyone in his era, what with greenies stacked on the table of locker rooms for all to enjoy back in the day.
Obviously, the same gifts were given to football players.
I just don't understand how anyone can be so certain - so positive - that certain players benefited from enhancers while others clearly did not.
Beanpot
How do you do that exactly?
The void their records part. Do you just ignore Sosa's career even though he never once tested positive for performance enhancers? You'd clearly have to do the same for Clemente and everyone in his era, what with greenies stacked on the table of locker rooms for all to enjoy back in the day.
Obviously, the same gifts were given to football players.
I just don't understand how anyone can be so certain - so positive - that certain players benefited from enhancers while others clearly did not.
Beanpot
Ok, I'll grant you lousy testing. It's just a coincidence Maris' record stood for decades, and all of a sudden, a bunch of guys were hitting 70 HR a year. Funny how no one's come close lately.
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Before we start sending all the modern day athletes to Siberia as punishment keep in mind that drugs have always played a part in major league baseball....
In the 50's and 60's, the locker rooms on EVERY TEAM was chock full of anphetamines (sic) "speeders" to help the player gety through the day....
Feeling a little sluggish, go see the trainer and get a handfull of christmas trees, that will amp up your play....
The modern athelete, with the monster salaries, just took it to a higher level.....
I'm not saying it's acceptable but with the most powerful labor union behind you, some players choose to do whatever is necessary to keep that major league paycheck....
Speeders have been the staple in both the NFL & MLB since I can remember...
When I was in college, the Steelers trained at West Liberty State College in West Virginia....
Bobby Lane & his teammates would be out in the bars, the local hangout "the bucket of blood", into the wee hours of the morning... The next day they took speeders to get them through practice...
I'm not saying it's right or fair, just saying what it is and what I saw.....
T.Dawg
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Before we start sending all the modern day athletes to Siberia as punishment keep in mind that drugs have always played a part in major league baseball....
In the 50's and 60's, the locker rooms on EVERY TEAM was chock full of anphetamines (sic) "speeders" to help the player gety through the day....
Feeling a little sluggish, go see the trainer and get a handfull of christmas trees, that will amp up your play....
The modern athelete, with the monster salaries, just took it to a higher level.....
I'm not saying it's acceptable but with the most powerful labor union behind you, some players choose to do whatever is necessary to keep that major league paycheck....
Speeders have been the staple in both the NFL & MLB since I can remember...
When I was in college, the Steelers trained at West Liberty State College in West Virginia....
Bobby Lane & his teammates would be out in the bars, the local hangout "the bucket of blood", into the wee hours of the morning... The next day they took speeders to get them through practice...
I'm not saying it's right or fair, just saying what it is and what I saw.....
T.Dawg
Before we start sending all the modern day athletes to Siberia as punishment keep in mind that drugs have always played a part in major league baseball....
In the 50's and 60's, the locker rooms on EVERY TEAM was chock full of anphetamines (sic) "speeders" to help the player gety through the day....
Feeling a little sluggish, go see the trainer and get a handfull of christmas trees, that will amp up your play....
The modern athelete, with the monster salaries, just took it to a higher level.....
I'm not saying it's acceptable but with the most powerful labor union behind you, some players choose to do whatever is necessary to keep that major league paycheck....
Speeders have been the staple in both the NFL & MLB since I can remember...
When I was in college, the Steelers trained at West Liberty State College in West Virginia....
Bobby Lane & his teammates would be out in the bars, the local hangout "the bucket of blood", into the wee hours of the morning... The next day they took speeders to get them through practice...
I'm not saying it's right or fair, just saying what it is and what I saw.....
T.Dawg
Good points but steroids are a whole other level as far as drugs go, they really do make a huge difference.
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i didn't like baseball then, dislike it even more now. they got busted at a publicity stunt, and are pushing it threw despite the fact. pretty sad actually.
as rating were falling, the only thing to spring the life back into baseball was the mcguire run. baseball execs knowing sold their livlihood, and american pastime, down the river for money.
they'll reap what they sow....especially if they let these records stand.
and xxxx pete rose...trying to capitalize on this situation to get into the hall of fame.
this sports pathetic....
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i didn't like baseball then, dislike it even more now. they got busted at a publicity stunt, and are pushing it threw despite the fact. pretty sad actually.
as rating were falling, the only thing to spring the life back into baseball was the mcguire run. baseball execs knowing sold their livlihood, and american pastime, down the river for money.
they'll reap what they sow....especially if they let these records stand.
and xxxx pete rose...trying to capitalize on this situation to get into the hall of fame.
this sports pathetic....
i didn't like baseball then, dislike it even more now. they got busted at a publicity stunt, and are pushing it threw despite the fact. pretty sad actually.
as rating were falling, the only thing to spring the life back into baseball was the mcguire run. baseball execs knowing sold their livelihood, and American pastime, down the river for money.
they'll reap what they sow....especially if they let these records stand.
and xxxx pete rose...trying to capitalize on this situation to get into the hall of fame.
this sports pathetic....
All I'll say is I'm damn glad baseball is way down on my list of pro sports. They let the inmates run the asylum for far too long.
Beans is the baseball purist- seems like. You have some mighty good points. And what it boils down to- if everybody's cheating, then nobody's cheating. Juiced up pitchers throwing at juiced up batters.
Ironic Rose's nickname "Charlie Hustle" pretty accurately describes why he'll never see the HOF in his lifetime- and it serves him right. And the voters seem to agree that steroids are something that keeps you out of the Hall.
Yeah, McGuire was only taking androsterone. Clemens accidentally sat on a needle 20 times while his wife was taking HGH. Bonds thought "the Clear" was in one of my bottles of Curacao. How much is he paying his trainer to go to jail again to keep his dirty not-so-secret secret?
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I'll ditto that. Until baseball takes the same stance as track & field, first offense you're gone for two years, next one is a lifetime ban. And void all their records while you're at it. No one shed a tear when Ben "the steroid factory" Johnson got his world record in the 100 wiped out. As far as I'm concerned, McGuire, Sosa's, A-roid, Bonds, & Clemens records all belong in the trash can, and like Pete Rose- no Hall of Fame for you.
How do you do that exactly?
The void their records part. Do you just ignore Sosa's career even though he never once tested positive for performance enhancers? You'd clearly have to do the same for Clemente and everyone in his era, what with greenies stacked on the table of locker rooms for all to enjoy back in the day.
Obviously, the same gifts were given to football players.
I just don't understand how anyone can be so certain - so positive - that certain players benefited from enhancers while others clearly did not.
Beanpot
How do you do that exactly?
The void their records part. Do you just ignore Sosa's career even though he never once tested positive for performance enhancers?
I just don't understand how anyone can be so certain - so positive - that certain players benefited from enhancers while others clearly did not.
Beanpot
Sosa may have never tested positive, but the loser was caught corking the bat
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/baseball/...osa_ejected_ap/
That alone is enough to cast doubt over him. If he cheated then, he'd probably cheated before. Its not too far a stretch to think that modifying a bat could become modifying onesself
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How did this thread go from Manny bashing to Pete Rose bashing? Pete wasn't doing any PED's! Pete Rose gambled on baseball AFTER his playing days were over! Regardless of how many of you hate his guts, Rose earned a place in the Hall of Fame for how he played the game! What he did after he was done playing was wrong, yes. But it cannot detract from his playing career! Don't ever let him back in baseball at any level. But put the PLAYER where he belongs, in the Baseball Hall of Fame!
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Pete Rose's numbers as a player are HOF material... The trouble is, as a manager, he bet on baseball--even doing it during a game from the club house...
In every major league contract there's a clause that specifically says that gambling on baseball is cause for lifetime suspension... It's very clear and each year during spring training it's reinforced time and time again... All active players, coaches, managers or front office personnel are subject to expulsion if engaging in gambling...
I loved Pete Rose, played the game the way it's supposed to be played but he committed baseballs mortal sin and deserves what he got... He knew upfront what he was risking and now is paying the price... Shoeless Joe Jackson is not in the HOF for the same reason... Sorry but Pete Rose is where he belongs, did it to himself and that's the way it is...... You can't have selective inforcement..
T.Dawg
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Pete Rose's numbers as a player are HOF material... The trouble is, as a manager, he bet on baseball--even doing it during a game from the club house...
In every major league contract there's a clause that specifically says that gambling on baseball is cause for lifetime suspension... It's very clear and each year during spring training it's reinforced time and time again... All active players, coaches, managers or front office personnel are subject to expulsion if engaging in gambling...
I loved Pete Rose, played the game the way it's supposed to be played but he committed baseballs mortal sin and deserves what he got... He knew upfront what he was risking and now is paying the price... Shoeless Joe Jackson is not in the HOF for the same reason... Sorry but Pete Rose is where he belongs, did it to himself and that's the way it is...... You can't have selective inforcement..
T.Dawg
Pete Rose's numbers as a player are HOF material... The trouble is, as a manager, he bet on baseball--even doing it during a game from the club house...
In every major league contract there's a clause that specifically says that gambling on baseball is cause for lifetime suspension... It's very clear and each year during spring training it's reinforced time and time again... All active players, coaches, managers or front office personnel are subject to expulsion if engaging in gambling...
I loved Pete Rose, played the game the way it's supposed to be played but he committed baseballs mortal sin and deserves what he got... He knew upfront what he was risking and now is paying the price... Shoeless Joe Jackson is not in the HOF for the same reason... Sorry but Pete Rose is where he belongs, did it to himself and that's the way it is...... You can't have selective inforcement..
T.Dawg
You judge a player by there playing career to get in the hall of fame. What Rose did while a manager should have no bearing on his HOF status as a player. If you dont want to put him in as a manager thats fine but he should be in based on his playing career
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too bad voters dont see it the same way...and they're really the only ones that matter.
If Pete Rose was on a ballet he would be in, in a heartbeat
The only person keeping him out is Bud Selig, the guy that allowed the steroid era. The guy who one day will be in the HOF, now thats a disgrace to baseball
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i didn't like baseball then, dislike it even more now. they got busted at a publicity stunt, and are pushing it threw despite the fact. pretty sad actually.
as rating were falling, the only thing to spring the life back into baseball was the mcguire run. baseball execs knowing sold their livelihood, and American pastime, down the river for money.
they'll reap what they sow....especially if they let these records stand.
and xxxx pete rose...trying to capitalize on this situation to get into the hall of fame.
this sports pathetic....
All I'll say is I'm damn glad baseball is way down on my list of pro sports. They let the inmates run the asylum for far too long.
Beans is the baseball purist- seems like. You have some mighty good points. And what it boils down to- if everybody's cheating, then nobody's cheating. Juiced up pitchers throwing at juiced up batters.
Ironic Rose's nickname "Charlie Hustle" pretty accurately describes why he'll never see the HOF in his lifetime- and it serves him right. And the voters seem to agree that steroids are something that keeps you out of the Hall.
Yeah, McGuire was only taking androsterone. Clemens accidentally sat on a needle 20 times while his wife was taking HGH. Bonds thought "the Clear" was in one of my bottles of Curacao. How much is he paying his trainer to go to jail again to keep his dirty not-so-secret secret?
Beans is the baseball purist- seems like.
Oh, not even close. The baseball purist hates the DH, pisses on inter-league play, grinds his heel deep into the blueprints of expansion and defecates all over the '68 rule change that lowered the mound.
I'm not that guy. I simply love the game, warts and all. Not a popular opinion around these parts, it seems.
My question to you about voiding Sosa's records was sincere - how in the hell do you do that? I know all about his corked bat and his corked-filled arms and Rick Reilly's "Excuse Me For Asking" column. I'm pretty sure I know his ass was filled with syringe holes during the latter part of his career.
But my question was simple - how in the hell do you void his career marks and place them in the trash can?
I get that *you* want to ignore his numbers and that's fine. But they actually happened and the record book is nothing more than a recording of those events. As it always has been, it's there for you to interpret any way you'd like. Just as you would if your favorite running back spent four seasons running behind a tackle who was oozing testosterone cream.
Not that that could possibly happen.
Not to come across as too defensive in this crowd, but it's high comedy to read that a football fan is thankful he's not a baseball fan due to...steroids in the sport.
Beanpot
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I love baseball; I really do...this stuff just makes me sad...bunch of tools
When do we get a real team back in Cleveland?
Beans - Offer is still open for a Clippers game at Huntington Park...on me; we can rehash old RR days under the sun
Beans - Offer is still open for a Clippers game at Huntington Park...on me; we can rehash old RR days under the sun
Man, I'd like that. Shoot me an email - [email protected]. I'll be up North a couple of times this summer.
Beanpot
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