Biggest Areas of Concern
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What are the biggest areas of concern on this team?
A. QB. We have four guys.
Are you optimistic about any of them?
Is the Ostrich just that...what he has been.....a big, slow footed, long windup inaccurate passer? Or will a light bulb go on and he turns out to become Peyton Manning lite?
Is Kessler to improve?....become the next Brian Sipe....short, weak armed but heady and full of leadership....or will he just continue be short with a weak arm?
Will Kizer turn out to be something? Will he become Cam Newton lite.....or Jamarcus Russell lite?
Hogan.....a step above a prisoner of war camp escapee.
B. Wide Receivers. Do we have any talent here?
Is Coleman going to get and stay healthy...or is he just going to constantly be hurt....and fail to produce much?
Will Britt be the Shitt....or just Dwayne Bowe 2.0?
And what about these other guys: Louis, Payton, Higgins. Will they produce anything, or were they just draft fillers.
Yes.....offensive skill players seem to be our biggest problem areas. (I won't even bring up the name of the guy that preaches that)
C. Right Tackle. There will be big bodies. Shon Coleman, Erving, maybe Drango. I think we just need "adequate and proficient" at that spot...can any of these guys be that.
D. Outside Linebacker. We may have our best ILB playing OLB: Collins. and on the other side we have Joe Schobert? Who we don't know is worth spit? I would think/hope that Nate Orchard would begin to play like the talent he is supposed to be....instead of the underachiever that he has been.
E. Defensive Backfield. While there are bodies at every position.....is anyone really decent?
Haden? Age and injuries have caused question marks.
Jamar Taylor? Does not set my heart aflutter
Ed Reynolds? Not only does he not set my heart aflutter....it is more like heartburn
Calvin Pryor? Too much of an unknown for me to get excited about.
Peppers? Is he going to have a position?
Kindred, Caldwell, Campbell, Nacua? All totally unproven...and these names do not really excite.
The biggest hope is that team will be strong in the trenches....the OL and DL....where many football purists believe the games are won and lost.
I think they will have to be for this team to compete....given weaknesses in other areas.
Well Gip.....we certainly share a lot of the same concerns....
What are the biggest areas of concern on this team?
A. QB. We have four guys.
Are you optimistic about any of them?
Not excited about them....but certainly optimistic that Kess will be improved and hoping Kizer grows into a good one....
Is the Ostrich just that...what he has been.....a big, slow footed, long windup inaccurate passer? Or will a light bulb go on and he turns out to become Peyton Manning lite?
Not...he'll be gone as soon as the Browns find someone willing to take him....
B. Wide Receivers. Do we have any talent here?
I hope Im surprised by these guys....but right now, feel our WR situation has not improved and may be the worst group we've had in years.....praying Im wrong...
C. Right Tackle. There will be big bodies. Shon Coleman, Erving, maybe Drango. I think we just need "adequate and proficient" at that spot...can any of these guys be that.
Praying Shon Coleman comes through....or we are screwed......let our only depth walk away....so if Coleman bites, no one to step in....
D. Outside Linebacker. We may have our best ILB playing OLB: Collins. and on the other side we have Joe Schobert? Who we don't know is worth spit? I would think/hope that Nate Orchard would begin to play like the talent he is supposed to be....instead of the underachiever that he has been.
I think Kirksey and Collins will be the best pair we've had in years.....but think Schobert is a role player(st)......With Orchard, not sure where he'll play, but the Browns have indicated it'll be DE.....either way, I dont see any underachievment there....had a strong rookie season, then missed year 2....injury, not play, that held him down for that sophomore year...
E. Defensive Backfield. While there are bodies at every position.....is anyone really decent?
Yep.....D backfield will be our achilles this year....may even prevent that D line form getting their due in pass rush......gonna be hard to get sacks when there are open receivers all over the field....just saying....easy to game plan a team w/o a strong pass defense....
The biggest hope is that team will be strong in the trenches....the OL and DL....where many football purists believe the games are won and lost.
I think they will have to be for this team to compete....given weaknesses in other areas.
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I'm starting to really respect Kizer. He's saying there is so much to learn that it doesn't make
sense to talk about starting - he said there was a LOT to learn in the pros.
It's quite possible he could turn out to be the best qb of the entire draft. Hopefully, that's true.
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I'm concerned that Danny Shelton won't fit our scheme and about injuries. The rest I'm good with.
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a lot of us thought the same thing about gilbert.....
Gilbert was a cornerback who loved men's balls not footballs. Peppers literally played like 15 or 16 positions at Michigan and is a legit tough football player who loves the game. Nothing similar about the two at all, thankfully.
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way, FO pulled off an excellent draft and FA haul, HC deserves a season of a team not stripped off talent intended to tank. QB I get and the jury's out.Owner
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way, FO pulled off an excellent draft and FA haul, HC deserves a season of a team not stripped off talent intended to tank. QB I get and the jury's out.
Don't try and understand the thought process of a dumb ass pussy, it's just a waste of time
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I'm concerned that Danny Shelton won't fit our scheme and about injuries. The rest I'm good with.
I'm concerned that Danny Shelton won't fit our scheme and about injuries. The rest I'm good with.
Shaun Rogers played at a pro bowl level for years in Detroit. Danny can do that here as well.
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Shaun Rogers had some of the most natural talent of a DL that I've ever seen. I don't believe he ever had the work ethic or "drive" that the truly great players have, but I could be wrong. It's just a feeling that I have, and probably something that happens to most players when they play for bad teams every single year of their career.
My main concerns for this team are the safeties and WR's. I could say QB, but that's too easy and obvious because we're the Browns, and it's a concern EVERY year.
If Coleman and Britt were completely healthy, I wouldn't be AS concerned, but Coleman now has the stigma of being a guy who can't get right, and he needs to string together several months in a row of healthy play to shake it. I'm not worried about Britt, but we really need him out there so he can help our QB's out. Which QB in the league is going to look good throwing to Ricardo Louis, Ranell Hall, Higgins, and the other bozos? Well, I actually just heard that Britt WAS out there in practice, so that's a very nice thing to hear. Nathan Zegura of our radio show just said how Britt has a giant catch radius and looks terrific out there...man I needed that.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason, and free safety is one that will have to wait (unless someone comes out of nowhere to secure the gig). It must have been VERY difficult to pass on Malik Hooker, seeing how he was ranked very highly and also filled a position of vast need. Ultimately our front office decided to invest in more picks for next year, which may or may not work out. It boggles the mind when you think about how many players we added during this past draft, and to think we get to do it AGAIN next year. It further surprised me that we passed on Hooker because Gregg Williams is known to play defenses that require a single deep safety as the last line of defense. That's a scary thought, and we better have some pass rushers this year or we're going to get toasted deep.
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Shaun Rogers had some of the most natural talent of a DL that I've ever seen. I don't believe he ever had the work ethic or "drive" that the truly great players have, but I could be wrong. It's just a feeling that I have, and probably something that happens to most players when they play for bad teams every single year of their career.
My main concerns for this team are the safeties and WR's. I could say QB, but that's too easy and obvious because we're the Browns, and it's a concern EVERY year.
If Coleman and Britt were completely healthy, I wouldn't be AS concerned, but Coleman now has the stigma of being a guy who can't get right, and he needs to string together several months in a row of healthy play to shake it. I'm not worried about Britt, but we really need him out there so he can help our QB's out. Which QB in the league is going to look good throwing to Ricardo Louis, Ranell Hall, Higgins, and the other bozos? Well, I actually just heard that Britt WAS out there in practice, so that's a very nice thing to hear. Nathan Zegura of our radio show just said how Britt has a giant catch radius and looks terrific out there...man I needed that.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason, and free safety is one that will have to wait (unless someone comes out of nowhere to secure the gig). It must have been VERY difficult to pass on Malik Hooker, seeing how he was ranked very highly and also filled a position of vast need. Ultimately our front office decided to invest in more picks for next year, which may or may not work out. It boggles the mind when you think about how many players we added during this past draft, and to think we get to do it AGAIN next year. It further surprised me that we passed on Hooker because Gregg Williams is known to play defenses that require a single deep safety as the last line of defense. That's a scary thought, and we better have some pass rushers this year or we're going to get toasted deep.
That's a scary thought, and we better have some pass rushers this year or we're going to get toasted deep.
More importantly....those pass rushers better be faster than shit, cause the DB's aint closing down too many receivers this season....so ANY QB, worth his salt, is gonna get the ball out quickly...before our DL has any chance of getting to him.....
which means we will live in a nickle D(probably the main reason we dont need any MLB's).....which means they should be able to run at will, as well....
So...in summary...teams should be able to pass at will against our D.....so we will respond with a top heavy DB laden defense....which will allow teams to then run at will ....
be prepared....
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What are the biggest areas of concern on this team?
A. QB. We have four guys.
Are you optimistic about any of them?
Is the Ostrich just that...what he has been.....a big, slow footed, long windup inaccurate passer? Or will a light bulb go on and he turns out to become Peyton Manning lite?
Is Kessler to improve?....become the next Brian Sipe....short, weak armed but heady and full of leadership....or will he just continue be short with a weak arm?
Will Kizer turn out to be something? Will he become Cam Newton lite.....or Jamarcus Russell lite?
Hogan.....a step above a prisoner of war camp escapee.
B. Wide Receivers. Do we have any talent here?
Is Coleman going to get and stay healthy...or is he just going to constantly be hurt....and fail to produce much?
Will Britt be the Shitt....or just Dwayne Bowe 2.0?
And what about these other guys: Louis, Payton, Higgins. Will they produce anything, or were they just draft fillers.
Yes.....offensive skill players seem to be our biggest problem areas. (I won't even bring up the name of the guy that preaches that)
C. Right Tackle. There will be big bodies. Shon Coleman, Erving, maybe Drango. I think we just need "adequate and proficient" at that spot...can any of these guys be that.
D. Outside Linebacker. We may have our best ILB playing OLB: Collins. and on the other side we have Joe Schobert? Who we don't know is worth spit? I would think/hope that Nate Orchard would begin to play like the talent he is supposed to be....instead of the underachiever that he has been.
E. Defensive Backfield. While there are bodies at every position.....is anyone really decent?
Haden? Age and injuries have caused question marks.
Jamar Taylor? Does not set my heart aflutter
Ed Reynolds? Not only does he not set my heart aflutter....it is more like heartburn
Calvin Pryor? Too much of an unknown for me to get excited about.
Peppers? Is he going to have a position?
Kindred, Caldwell, Campbell, Nacua? All totally unproven...and these names do not really excite.
The biggest hope is that team will be strong in the trenches....the OL and DL....where many football purists believe the games are won and lost.
I think they will have to be for this team to compete....given weaknesses in other areas.
What are the biggest areas of concern on this team?
I think you nailed it all down pretty well with your original post.
The thing I would add is Game Day Coaching.
Our HC made a set of decisions that were mind boggling AND were contradictory to each other, in the final two minutes of the first half against Cincy. - I was honestly so astounded that I thought, along with all of our OTHER problems, that we had the wrong HC.
And then the way that he benched Kessler, who was doing a pretty nice job of managing the game against the Ravens, only to put in McCown with instructions to throw the ball long and up for grabs...was again, mind boggling.
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Two main concerns.
Offense and defense. We know how to punt.
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
Tour,
EXCELLENT post.
1) Jimmy has certainly looked at his own concerns & made significant changes of his own.
2) Fan patience..BINGO!!!...I am so damned tired of hearing "Same old Browns", "Since 1999" & other similar crap. Some of you folks need to take the blinders off & look at what THIS FO, Coaching staff, & Ownership has done far different (and better) from previous regimes. Certainly, they're not perfect, but I see far more light than darkness at the end of the tunnel now.
Mike
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
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+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
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1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
I think Mud is just calling 'em as he sees 'em.
We'll move on from the past (bitching about them losing all the time).
As soon as they move on from losing all the time.
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