Biggest Areas of Concern
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I'm concerned that Danny Shelton won't fit our scheme and about injuries. The rest I'm good with.
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a lot of us thought the same thing about gilbert.....
Gilbert was a cornerback who loved men's balls not footballs. Peppers literally played like 15 or 16 positions at Michigan and is a legit tough football player who loves the game. Nothing similar about the two at all, thankfully.
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way, FO pulled off an excellent draft and FA haul, HC deserves a season of a team not stripped off talent intended to tank. QB I get and the jury's out.Owner
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QB
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way, FO pulled off an excellent draft and FA haul, HC deserves a season of a team not stripped off talent intended to tank. QB I get and the jury's out.
Don't try and understand the thought process of a dumb ass pussy, it's just a waste of time
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I'm concerned that Danny Shelton won't fit our scheme and about injuries. The rest I'm good with.
I'm concerned that Danny Shelton won't fit our scheme and about injuries. The rest I'm good with.
Shaun Rogers played at a pro bowl level for years in Detroit. Danny can do that here as well.
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Shaun Rogers had some of the most natural talent of a DL that I've ever seen. I don't believe he ever had the work ethic or "drive" that the truly great players have, but I could be wrong. It's just a feeling that I have, and probably something that happens to most players when they play for bad teams every single year of their career.
My main concerns for this team are the safeties and WR's. I could say QB, but that's too easy and obvious because we're the Browns, and it's a concern EVERY year.
If Coleman and Britt were completely healthy, I wouldn't be AS concerned, but Coleman now has the stigma of being a guy who can't get right, and he needs to string together several months in a row of healthy play to shake it. I'm not worried about Britt, but we really need him out there so he can help our QB's out. Which QB in the league is going to look good throwing to Ricardo Louis, Ranell Hall, Higgins, and the other bozos? Well, I actually just heard that Britt WAS out there in practice, so that's a very nice thing to hear. Nathan Zegura of our radio show just said how Britt has a giant catch radius and looks terrific out there...man I needed that.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason, and free safety is one that will have to wait (unless someone comes out of nowhere to secure the gig). It must have been VERY difficult to pass on Malik Hooker, seeing how he was ranked very highly and also filled a position of vast need. Ultimately our front office decided to invest in more picks for next year, which may or may not work out. It boggles the mind when you think about how many players we added during this past draft, and to think we get to do it AGAIN next year. It further surprised me that we passed on Hooker because Gregg Williams is known to play defenses that require a single deep safety as the last line of defense. That's a scary thought, and we better have some pass rushers this year or we're going to get toasted deep.
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Shaun Rogers had some of the most natural talent of a DL that I've ever seen. I don't believe he ever had the work ethic or "drive" that the truly great players have, but I could be wrong. It's just a feeling that I have, and probably something that happens to most players when they play for bad teams every single year of their career.
My main concerns for this team are the safeties and WR's. I could say QB, but that's too easy and obvious because we're the Browns, and it's a concern EVERY year.
If Coleman and Britt were completely healthy, I wouldn't be AS concerned, but Coleman now has the stigma of being a guy who can't get right, and he needs to string together several months in a row of healthy play to shake it. I'm not worried about Britt, but we really need him out there so he can help our QB's out. Which QB in the league is going to look good throwing to Ricardo Louis, Ranell Hall, Higgins, and the other bozos? Well, I actually just heard that Britt WAS out there in practice, so that's a very nice thing to hear. Nathan Zegura of our radio show just said how Britt has a giant catch radius and looks terrific out there...man I needed that.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason, and free safety is one that will have to wait (unless someone comes out of nowhere to secure the gig). It must have been VERY difficult to pass on Malik Hooker, seeing how he was ranked very highly and also filled a position of vast need. Ultimately our front office decided to invest in more picks for next year, which may or may not work out. It boggles the mind when you think about how many players we added during this past draft, and to think we get to do it AGAIN next year. It further surprised me that we passed on Hooker because Gregg Williams is known to play defenses that require a single deep safety as the last line of defense. That's a scary thought, and we better have some pass rushers this year or we're going to get toasted deep.
That's a scary thought, and we better have some pass rushers this year or we're going to get toasted deep.
More importantly....those pass rushers better be faster than shit, cause the DB's aint closing down too many receivers this season....so ANY QB, worth his salt, is gonna get the ball out quickly...before our DL has any chance of getting to him.....
which means we will live in a nickle D(probably the main reason we dont need any MLB's).....which means they should be able to run at will, as well....
So...in summary...teams should be able to pass at will against our D.....so we will respond with a top heavy DB laden defense....which will allow teams to then run at will ....
be prepared....
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What are the biggest areas of concern on this team?
A. QB. We have four guys.
Are you optimistic about any of them?
Is the Ostrich just that...what he has been.....a big, slow footed, long windup inaccurate passer? Or will a light bulb go on and he turns out to become Peyton Manning lite?
Is Kessler to improve?....become the next Brian Sipe....short, weak armed but heady and full of leadership....or will he just continue be short with a weak arm?
Will Kizer turn out to be something? Will he become Cam Newton lite.....or Jamarcus Russell lite?
Hogan.....a step above a prisoner of war camp escapee.
B. Wide Receivers. Do we have any talent here?
Is Coleman going to get and stay healthy...or is he just going to constantly be hurt....and fail to produce much?
Will Britt be the Shitt....or just Dwayne Bowe 2.0?
And what about these other guys: Louis, Payton, Higgins. Will they produce anything, or were they just draft fillers.
Yes.....offensive skill players seem to be our biggest problem areas. (I won't even bring up the name of the guy that preaches that)
C. Right Tackle. There will be big bodies. Shon Coleman, Erving, maybe Drango. I think we just need "adequate and proficient" at that spot...can any of these guys be that.
D. Outside Linebacker. We may have our best ILB playing OLB: Collins. and on the other side we have Joe Schobert? Who we don't know is worth spit? I would think/hope that Nate Orchard would begin to play like the talent he is supposed to be....instead of the underachiever that he has been.
E. Defensive Backfield. While there are bodies at every position.....is anyone really decent?
Haden? Age and injuries have caused question marks.
Jamar Taylor? Does not set my heart aflutter
Ed Reynolds? Not only does he not set my heart aflutter....it is more like heartburn
Calvin Pryor? Too much of an unknown for me to get excited about.
Peppers? Is he going to have a position?
Kindred, Caldwell, Campbell, Nacua? All totally unproven...and these names do not really excite.
The biggest hope is that team will be strong in the trenches....the OL and DL....where many football purists believe the games are won and lost.
I think they will have to be for this team to compete....given weaknesses in other areas.
What are the biggest areas of concern on this team?
I think you nailed it all down pretty well with your original post.
The thing I would add is Game Day Coaching.
Our HC made a set of decisions that were mind boggling AND were contradictory to each other, in the final two minutes of the first half against Cincy. - I was honestly so astounded that I thought, along with all of our OTHER problems, that we had the wrong HC.
And then the way that he benched Kessler, who was doing a pretty nice job of managing the game against the Ravens, only to put in McCown with instructions to throw the ball long and up for grabs...was again, mind boggling.
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Two main concerns.
Offense and defense. We know how to punt.
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
Tour,
EXCELLENT post.
1) Jimmy has certainly looked at his own concerns & made significant changes of his own.
2) Fan patience..BINGO!!!...I am so damned tired of hearing "Same old Browns", "Since 1999" & other similar crap. Some of you folks need to take the blinders off & look at what THIS FO, Coaching staff, & Ownership has done far different (and better) from previous regimes. Certainly, they're not perfect, but I see far more light than darkness at the end of the tunnel now.
Mike
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
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+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
IN DORSEY I TRUST -
1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
I think Mud is just calling 'em as he sees 'em.
We'll move on from the past (bitching about them losing all the time).
As soon as they move on from losing all the time.
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1) open wallet?......cmon Tour, he hired the money ball guy(Depo) who fame comes from finding CHEAP talent.....and we have the 2nd lowest payroll in the league.....2nd most UNSPENT cap space......I dont see the open wallet here...
2) He's a pro at "endorsing" new people....in fact, he's endorsed 3 new FO's and 4 new HC's in LESS than 5 years.....
3) Yay!......so we can agree he screwed the last FO (or 2?) by meddling.....
4) Of course he's disappeared......(he's ashamed).....we wont see his pompous ass again (till we start winning)....then he will be there in all his glory.....promise!
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
Come on Old Leghumper
Every old 2008 topic needed a good beaten the old horse scene.we could not load good pics like that back then ..Mud? Oz sent out Flying Monkey's. We are graced with the Flying Mudman. He may only last 20 minutes in here, but he brings his misery to all the Scarecrows & FLY's FLY FLY's back to his Emerald City.. 
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I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
Come on Old Leghumper
Every old 2008 topic needed a good beaten the old horse scene.we could not load good pics like that back then ..Mud? Oz sent out Flying Monkey's. We are graced with the Flying Mudman. He may only last 20 minutes in here, but he brings his misery to all the Scarecrows & FLY's FLY FLY's back to his Emerald City.. Come on Old Leghumper
Every old 2008 topic needed a good beaten the old horse scene.we could not load good pics like that back then ..Mud? Oz sent out Flying Monkey's. We are graced with the Flying Mudman. He may only last 20 minutes in here, but he brings his misery to all the Scarecrows & FLY's FLY FLY's back to his Emerald City.. LMAO!
Mike
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I don't get this, Owner seems to be staying out of the way...
+1... Jimmy has:
- opened his wallet...
- endorsed a new FO approach...
- apparently played no role in our draft... and
- pretty much disappeared from media.
Will it all add up to success? Stay tuned... but it's a refreshing change from his first years.
We couldn't "fix" every position in one offseason
Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
.Perfect lead in for my #1 concern... Fan patience.
A worthy concern....the main reason being that many life long fans have run out of patience.....in large part, due to this owner and his lack of patience......So, which came first?.....Jimmahs or ours?
. Some of you folks need to take the blinders off & look at what THIS FO, Coaching staff, & Ownership has done far different (and better) from previous regimes. Certainly, they're not perfect, but I see far more light than darkness at the end of the tunnel now.
Mike
Mike....(in my nicest possible written voice)
........some of us dont have the die hard fan blinders on, thats all....Without those blinders, we can see that ownership and this coaching staff havent done anything great yet......in fact, to me, it looks a lot the same......sorry, but after 40 years of blind love, Ive reverted to tough love......you gotta do what you gotta do and what I can no longer do is blindly hope things will turn around.....been waiting too long and see WAY too many repeat pig headed decisions to think this team is fast tracking to success....Yes....on paper, this draft looks better than the last draft....but thats all I got......dont like the owner(any more), but was a huge advocate for him, when he came on board....he has earned my distain......
Cant say I was ever excited about Hue or his staff(most of which got fired after year one....so I was right on there).....
And was not excited for a Lawyer and baseball penny pincher taking over our FO....and, to date, still feel that way.....Ive been waiting for them to get me excited(again) about the Browns, and they have not done enough to do so.....
Mud,
You're my friend, but I'm beginning to think you should change your name to "Negative Nellie" or "Dead horse beater".
You're better than that. Move on from the past.
Mike
Im not in the past Mike.....I comment on right now stuff....I dont start threads anymore(have 100% stopped)....I come here EVERYDAY, but usually just quietly read and then go away.....why?......because I cant get excited about what I see(the Browns brole my spirit....wasnt my choice).....and Ive chosen to "try" to button my lip, rather than be a negative nellie all day every day.....and not participating isnt a choice I like.....I love the Browns.....I love talking Browns.....I miss the Browns.....THAT is why Im still here.....(please note how dead the board is, compared to the (past)....Thats because of Jimmah and his reign of terror......
Usually, when I post, it is in reply to something I see that seems ridiculous.....over the top optimism thats unrealistic....And it's rare that my comments are wrong....more often, just not what you want to hear.....and since they have teeth, they sink a touch deeper....
So....in my view....Im being the realist, while many here are just following the old "hope" formula(which Ive moved on from).....and then I get blasted for speaking MY truth, whilst others are applauded for wishful thinking.....
I respond to things like Tours post above....basically praising Jimmy and saying things I dont agree with....why can I not point to my view on the topic? .....another example?.....How about the constant comments from Cal saying this FO ONLY picks great players with great attitudes and no more of those loser types, while we select Payton (busted for PEDS year one).....we select Brantley, who hits women and is declared a slacker in week one.....or Peppers, who failed his drug test and is now dragging his feet on signing, while everyone else is in???......I hear how we killed in last years draft, yet only see one? really good player and 13 who didnt impress(no blinders there).....Listen...I dont hate these guys OR the Browns for picking them.....but I DO hate constantly hearing how the Browns are now above making these errors, when it's right there in our face......so, lets be clear, I dont come here and start threads slamming these moves, but I do respond to those who deny them.....its my job....
So, here's a straight up question for you, that I would like an honest answer to......when you tell me to move on....what am I supposed to do?......multiple choice......which answer is best????
A- Give up on the Browns and this board, all together, and just move on?....(cause I dont want to do that)
B- Pretend I like things that I dont like and act like I think things are great?.....(cause I CANT do that)
C- Create fake praise and excitement for moves, players and hires I dont think deserve it?
D- Just say it like I see it....even if you dont like it?.....(personally, I think Ive been much more balanced lately)
I choose D......how about you?
Mike....look at it this way.....your favorite phrase is "dont know - well see".....correct?......Im subscribing to the same....which means I can ONLY comment on what Ive SEEN, not what I wish for or hope is coming.....I comment on what is obvious, not what "might be someday"....so, if I have to wait to see, yet cannot comment on what has transpired over the past year(or years), then WHAT can I comment on?....
I think Mud is just calling 'em as he sees 'em.
We'll move on from the past (bitching about them losing all the time).
As soon as they move on from losing all the time.
nailed it!.....thanks for getting it Orion
Heck....Ive even praised several things Ive seen lately......folks keep missing that.....
Mud? Oz sent out Flying Monkey's. We are graced with the Flying Mudman. He may only last 20 minutes in here, but he brings his misery to all the Scarecrows & FLY's FLY FLY's back to his Emerald City..
Not a word from me about 2008 or any past horse beatings.....only about 2016-17....right now.......
Hey....if Jimmy was a horse, Id beat him.....but thats about it......
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