Biggest Areas of Concern

Mudfly

@tour2ma said:

Sweet Jesus... agreement with Phoolie?

Maybe you do need to take a break...

Hahahaha.....Im getting crazier by the day....

MLD Woody

There is a bunch of unrealistic optimism? At how many wins does the optimism become unrealistic? I'm thinking anything more than 7.

It is hard to put a number of wins to what a "good" season would be. We're at the stage where steady improvement and being within striking distance most games is considered good.

TexasAg1969

@mudfly said:
Hahahaha.....Im getting crazier by the day....

Took the words right out of my fingers Mud. Insight is a beautiful first step to recovery. :lol:

Orion

Biggest Areas of Concern

...just as a refresher:

QB.......WR.......TE......RT........LB.......S.......CB

That's quite a long list of areas of concern.

Now, we addressed some of these issues in the draft. But it don't mean squat until we see that the draftee is good, (or not) That is why I didn't like letting our veteran all pro TE go BEFORE we knew that the draftee could fill his spot. We've certainly seen draft picks fail before.

wargograw

@ghoolie said:
You voted for Obama and Hillary.

Yeah man, what gave it away? My vehement defense of the confederate flag?

The Gipper

@calfoxwc said:
I'm righter. LOL

You are righter than Attila the Hun.

calfoxwc

but in a good way....

The Gipper

@calfoxwc said:
but in a good way....

In the sense that you do not lead a murdering horde of barbarians. You stop just a little bit shy of that!

Ghoolie

@mudfly said:

Listen....I appreciate the toned down approach...best way to get me engaged.....and you and I share a lot of the same feelings.......scary close on some of them.....and some we disagree on, but most thats football opinions on whats most important...

Most of my ranting lately has been about the outrageous optimism following 1 -15....its ridiculous......and the blindness to us doing exactly what weve been doing, yet claiming its some new approach....I wont list it point by point, cause I have many times already.....but I assure you(and everybody else) I have LOVED the Browns for 40 years.....Im just tired of the bullshit and am not convinced much has changed....

Look, to go from average to great, history shows you need to add several GREAT players and even more very good players....fast.....what people dont realize is we aren't even average.....were are terrible.....it will take a bunch of very good players just to get us back to average.....and even more to achieve great......and if I look at 2016-2017 for by measuring stick.....we are not remotely close.....in fact, we are barely doing whats needed to get to average....slowly.....

And in 2 years now.....I honestly dont see one "great" player added to this team....we have added a couple "very goods" and a few goods ones.....but, considering we let approx 12 contributors leave, during the same period, I dont see any overall gains.....and a number of losses.....

Gonna be another ....very .....long season.....

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Dude, I agree with you more often than not, but confusion and chaos are vital ingredients to help people (not you) see clearly.

Your points on improving are spot on. If you want to gain ground on the Steelers....then what are your answers for their top stars? The answer can't be....Analytics and Assets are giving us a lot of young talent. Young talent is an ingredient, for sure, but so are dependable playmakers who the team can be sure will produce.

The only way the Browns will be improved is is an inordinately high percentage of our players pan out to be far above average. That's just not feasible. It is unrealistic.

Somewhere over the years Browns fans and I guess management have taken the approach the the hottest prospect playmakers are just not for us. Is that Browns ownership is cheap? stupid? I am not saying this to pat myself on the back, but rather as an example of just how out of touch the Browns are....I was watching the Draft at a bar, when we took Garrett, I swear to you a split second before the Bears made their move, I said, someene is going to take Trubisky at #2.

now, whether or not he is going to be great is not the issue. The issue is, anyone who knows anything realized that Trubisky was the best gamble for big turnout in the 2017 draft. The Browns simply don't bet on big payout players We take players that come with explanations about why this was really the better pick.

I want the Browns to win. But how do you win without players who can light it up?

Ghoolie

@wargograw said:
Yeah man, what gave it away? My vehement defense of the confederate flag?

Just pulling your leg, man. Aren't you enjoy watching Calsnots get his panties caught in his snapper?

nickers

I'll just say this.. The actions of this team , tells Me they do not believe building the franchise around the QB by building a solid QB room. They drafted and brought in so many lineman on both sides of the ball. I'm wondering which one of them us gonna be the QB and score points.. Because we have 0 QB and 0 at the WR position.. What a sad joke this franchise is.

Ghoolie

@nickers said:
I'll just say this.. The actions of this team , tells Me they do not believe building the franchise around the QB by building a solid QB room. They drafted and brought in so many lineman on both sides of the ball. I'm wondering which one of them us gonna be the QB and score points.. Because we have 0 QB and 0 at the WR position.. What a sad joke this franchise is.

Nick, you sound stupid. We can just pick a QB up mid season. Offensive Linemen are the guys that make the excitement.

Tour2ma

@nickers said:
I'll just say this.. The actions of this team , tells Me they do not believe building the franchise around the QB by building a solid QB room.

Unsympathetic

Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

The Gipper

now, whether or not he is going to be great is not the issue. The issue is, anyone who knows anything realized that Trubisky was the best gamble for big turnout in the 2017 draft. The Browns simply don't bet on big payout players We take players that come with explanations about why this was really the better pick.

I want the Browns to win. But how do you win without players who can light it up?

There certainly does appear to be some element of truth to this. Last year when they had the #2 overall...they traded down...and bypassed some very highly rated players who seemed capable of...as you say "lighting it up". Bosa, Elliot, others.

And this year...to me they bypassed Trubisky who I think can light it up....in favor of a guy who I thought/think is not quite as good as Bosa. Though others here (and nationally) think that Garrett can light it up on the defense. We shall see.

The thing though is that in the past when we thought the Browns got guys that could light it up on offense, they tanked miserably. Of course we are talking about the likes of Trent Richardson and Johnny Manziel.

So...even if we get the guys we think can light it up....sometimes....like some firecrackers...they just turn out to be duds.

VikingDawg

@the-gipper said:

now, whether or not he is going to be great is not the issue. The issue is, anyone who knows anything realized that Trubisky was the best gamble for big turnout in the 2017 draft. The Browns simply don't bet on big payout players We take players that come with explanations about why this was really the better pick.

I want the Browns to win. But how do you win without players who can light it up?

There certainly does appear to be some element of truth to this. Last year when they had the #2 overall...they traded down...and bypassed some very highly rated players who seemed capable of...as you say "lighting it up". Bosa, Elliot, others.

And this year...to me they bypassed Trubisky who I think can light it up....in favor of a guy who I thought/think is not quite as good as Bosa. Though others here (and nationally) think that Garrett can light it up on the defense. We shall see.

The thing though is that in the past when we thought the Browns got guys that could light it up on offense, they tanked miserably. Of course we are talking about the likes of Trent Richardson and Johnny Manziel.

So...even if we get the guys we think can light it up....sometimes....like some firecrackers...they just turn out to be duds.

I think that is the problem with the fanbase, really. Fans are tired of being fed the 3rd or 4th best options and being told to be excited. The QB is the most vital position on a football team, and THE best way to energize a fanbase. I could care less if Wentz, or Trubisky or Watson or Lynch don't pan out. I just would for once like a front office with the balls to pull the goddamn trigger and grab the best prospect at the most important position. GO for it. If they don't work out you are no worse than these shit shows of 2nd and 3rd round projects.

The worst part? Most of the other regimes simply weren't in a position to grab anything more than the runner ups runner up while these fucking idiots were gifted numerous top shelf prospects and simply decided to pass to prove how much smarter than the rest of the NFL they are. Yeah... Real brilliance....

wargograw

@ghoolie said:
Just pulling your leg, man. Aren't you enjoy watching Calsnots get his panties caught in his snapper?

He's right about Mud's negativity.

Mud's right about Cal's delusion.

Opposite sides of the same coin really.

The Gipper

@vikingdawg said:

I think that is the problem with the fanbase, really.

There is NOTHING wrong with the fucking fan base.....Fan bases are there to do one thing: buy the shit the team sells, be it tickets, gear, whatthefuckever. All fan bases are the same. All this fan base needs is for the team management to bring a winner here.

Fans are tired of being fed the 3rd or 4th best options and being told to be excited. The QB is the most vital position on a football team, and THE best way to energize a fanbase. I could care less if Wentz, or Trubisky or Watson or Lynch don't pan out. I just would for once like a front office with the balls to pull the goddamn trigger and grab the best prospect at the most important position. GO for it. If they don't work out you are no worse than these shit shows of 2nd and 3rd round projects.

But, then again, who knows WHO is going to be the "best prospect"? The best QB that came out in 2014 was a second rounder. In 2012 it may have been a 3rd rounder (Wilson...vs. Luck...who has actually had the better of it?) In 2000 it was a 6th rounder. It seems that last year it was a 4th rounder (Prescott) In 2002 it was a 4th rounder (David Garrard). In 2001 it was a second rounder (Brees). So, you just don't know. Yes, the Browns will have to get very lucky to have their #52 overall QB become the best of this class....but it is not beyond the realm of possibility.

The worst part? Most of the other regimes simply weren't in a position to grab anything more than the runner ups runner up while these fucking idiots were gifted numerous top shelf prospects and simply decided to pass to prove how much smarter than the rest of the NFL they are. Yeah... Real brilliance....

But, yes, no doubt that it seems that they have continually passed up talent that eventually proved better for talent that proved....pure suckass at times.

And you know....I suspect that some of that will happen this year as well.

calfoxwc

@nickers said:
I'll just say this.. The actions of this team , tells Me they do not believe building the franchise around the QB by building a solid QB room. They drafted and brought in so many lineman on both sides of the ball. I'm wondering which one of them us gonna be the QB and score points.. Because we have 0 QB and 0 at the WR position.. What a sad joke this franchise is.

again, the squealers didn't do that, either. They had their team built, and got their raping to go qb.

calfoxwc

@wargograw said:

He's right about Mud's negativity.

Mud's right about Cal's delusion.

Opposite sides of the same coin really.

There is no delusion. LIke a few days ago, I went and had to replace the belt on our riding lawnmower.

Did that, and it was too loose. Took it into the shop, and he explained those mowers have to have

the original maker belt - specially sized.

dammit. So, he put one on for me, I'm good. It quit turning the blades and cutting grass after about 5 minutes.

I look at it, and it was loose again. So, it seems that the idle arm bracket wasn't back far enough, I torque on it

by hand, and it broke off. In two pieces.

dammit. So, I ordered a new plate through the local hardware store, and picked it up. Went to install it, and the

stupid holes were not threaded, where they most certainly have to be threaded.

dammit. So, I go back, and the guy went and tapped em for me, and I'm good, no charge. I go back home,

and spend 45 minutes trying to get the big bolt/nut out so I can take off the other half of the flimsy bracket.

The bottom of the bolt, that goes through the mower deck, was banged up over the years with rocks, etc,

and wet grass and rust. So, I finally got tired of stripping the corners of the nut off, and took a chisel and a hammer to it,

and go to install it, and I realize that the bolt is way too small. The old plate had a bronze bushing to size it for the bolt.

Tried to pound the bushing out, it was solid. So, I go back to the hardware guy, he couldn't get it out either.

So, I went back and bought new bushings that fit the outside diameter, but had to buy a 1/2 bolt and nut and toss out the

old 3/8' bolt. I go back home, and realize that the hole through the mower deck wasn't big enough for the new bolt.

dammit. So, I search and find the perfect drill bit, and drill the stupid hole out. Got the plate installed, big spring attached, etc...

hooked the belt back up and yard tested it. Worked perfectly.

Two days of trying to fix the old )_(&)(*&^ riding mower.

So, it was not delusion that caused me to happily persevere and know I was going to get it fixed eventually.

It was trust, and the agonizing fun of finally getting there and winning .

So, pardone moi, but I never give up. Never freaking ever. I don't/won't/ain't never gonna give up for anything.

So it is, that I do the same on the Browns. Mower sucks, taken apart, problems/aggravation,almost broke my hand

a few times, and had cursies? yep.

But I don't give up, I might bitch just a tad, but I work it out, figure it out, and I will win eventually.

The Browns are exactly like that. We hang in there, and the Browns will build it right eventually,

and we will WIN !

What frreaking sense does it make to whine, complain, cry, moan, lament and criticize everthing that moves,

when your lawnmower needs fixed?

Just get positive attitude going, laugh it off, and keep workin at it. Never....NEVER give up.

There ain't no freaking "delusion" confusion, here. Just whinsies.

Free country - but giving up doesn't get the mower fixed.

dammit. (LOL)