The Good News and The Bad News
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Again, just, like, your opinion man.
You think you know the answers...but you don't know the answers.
Good thing you are moving to Vegas when you get back....then you can gamble all your money and win much much more because you believe your sports predictions will all come true.
Or not.
Of course I know the answers. I don't let sports casters and the media form my opinions like most people do.
Look man, football is all about the QB, WRs, RBs, and TEs, everything else, while important....is much easier to come by. It truly is the 80/20 rule.
But the common man just never sees it and spends most of his life working for peanuts, idolizing those who have money, and scratching their balls wondering why none of the shit they believe in ever comes true.
The Browns will not be improved. They will be fundamentally as bad in 2017 as they were in 2016. You can't go into a fucking season with no clue as to who is going to lead the team. Training camp? That isn't going to show anyone, anything...other than WOW.....that guy is fast............that guy can catch........................ MEANINGLESS.
Make no mistake, this will be the absolute worst fucking year for this board because you jackoffs are convinced more than ever that the team is on the right path. Seriously, you guys won't fucking believe what you are about to experience. Just sit back, live your pretend, analytical bullshit, and then watch Ghoolie's real life experience put on yet another lesson.............the sad part? Next year there will again be a new team of jackoffs making the same mistakes............... and Tom Flugel will be on his knees, first in line to suck that dick...................
My Under 4.5 is as good as gold.
Of course I know the answers. I don't let sports casters and the media form my opinions like most people do.
Look man, football is all about the QB, WRs, RBs, and TEs, everything else, while important....is much easier to come by. It truly is the 80/20 rule.
But the common man just never sees it and spends most of his life working for peanuts, idolizing those who have money, and scratching their balls wondering why none of the shit they believe in ever comes true.
The Browns will not be improved. They will be fundamentally as bad in 2017 as they were in 2016. You can't go into a fucking season with no clue as to who is going to lead the team. Training camp? That isn't going to show anyone, anything...other than WOW.....that guy is fast............that guy can catch........................ MEANINGLESS.
Make no mistake, this will be the absolute worst fucking year for this board because you jackoffs are convinced more than ever that the team is on the right path. Seriously, you guys won't fucking believe what you are about to experience. Just sit back, live your pretend, analytical bullshit, and then watch Ghoolie's real life experience put on yet another lesson.............the sad part? Next year there will again be a new team of jackoffs making the same mistakes............... and Tom Flugel will be on his knees, first in line to suck that dick...................
My Under 4.5 is as good as gold.
Again....just another fucking opinion man. Just your opinion.
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my Father always told me, dumb kids don't like to play with smart kids. Your voices of dissent confirm my Dad's wisdom.
Kizer away.....Kizer Away..............
my Father always told me, dumb kids don't like to play with smart kids. Your voices of dissent confirm my Dad's wisdom.
Kizer away.....Kizer Away..............
Then why are you here? Either we are the dumb kids, and you should not be playing with us, or you are the dumb kid and we should not be playing with you.
And right now I am about 50/50 on which is the case.
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At this point in time...June...2017....that's all we got. That's the current reality. Take it or leave it....
Orion,
fair enough, to a point. Accepting the reality doesn't require buying into a fantasy. People think fans don't influence ownership, but they do. The constant buying into the importance of OL men, and all the other building bullshit has created a franchise in which fans think it unfair to expect wins.
I bitched that any executive would say that 2016 was not about winning. And looks, already people here are saying the same thing about 2017. Haslam has been cheap. We don't draft the top playmakers because we don't want to pay them. This formula is not working and it won't work. Until this team develops an understanding that its QB WR, TE, RB and THEN all the other shit, 1 - 19 seasons are headed our way.
We will soon see.
Orion,
fair enough, to a point. Accepting the reality doesn't require buying into a fantasy. People think fans don't influence ownership, but they do. The constant buying into the importance of OL men, and all the other building bullshit has created a franchise in which fans think it unfair to expect wins.
I bitched that any executive would say that 2016 was not about winning. And looks, already people here are saying the same thing about 2017. Haslam has been cheap. We don't draft the top playmakers because we don't want to pay them. This formula is not working and it won't work. Until this team develops an understanding that its QB WR, TE, RB and THEN all the other shit, 1 - 19 seasons are headed our way.
We will soon see.
You need both.
Look at the Colts. They have the best young QB that has supposedly come around in a decade. They have outstanding WRs....and supposedly decent RBs...with Frank Gore...a proven commodity and others.
What happened? They had such a lousy offensive line that every one of their skill players like went on the IR with bad injuries. The team could not do bo diddley.
So, yes, the offense revolves around the abilities of the skill players...until such time that those skill players can't function because they are having their asses handed to them because no on can block for them.
Now...do the Browns have both commodities? Both the skill players and the OL to allow to do their thing?
Certainly not. But as limited perhaps as our skill players may be....I would still like to have a quality OL that will allow them to show that skill...at whatever level it may be.
YOU wanted skill players....and from what I can see, the Browns have attempted...somewhat to give us those. QBs in the 2d and 3rd round the last two years...plus a trade for another.
A TE drafted in round one. 4 WRs taken last year...another picked up as a FA. A tandem or RBs they seem to have faith in.
Do WE have total faith in this group of skill players? Absolutely not.
But, at least, as I said, it seems to be the case that they will have a decent OL in front of them so that they can TRY at least to deliver their best.
Would I have like the last couple of drafts to go differently? You know it. I was all on Bosa and Trubisky's jocks. I think those would have been better choices for this team.
But I gotta to with what I got and only hope for the best with what is on the roster.
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Then maybe instead of Vegas you should move to Utah. They don't gamble there.
Not the reason I am moving to Vegas. You keep bringing up gambling. Vegas offers far more than that, especially to a man of science, and music.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Orion,
fair enough, to a point. Accepting the reality doesn't require buying into a fantasy. People think fans don't influence ownership, but they do. The constant buying into the importance of OL men, and all the other building bullshit has created a franchise in which fans think it unfair to expect wins.
I bitched that any executive would say that 2016 was not about winning. And looks, already people here are saying the same thing about 2017. Haslam has been cheap. We don't draft the top playmakers because we don't want to pay them. This formula is not working and it won't work. Until this team develops an understanding that its QB WR, TE, RB and THEN all the other shit, 1 - 19 seasons are headed our way.
We will soon see.
You need both.
Look at the Colts. They have the best young QB that has supposedly come around in a decade. They have outstanding WRs....and supposedly decent RBs...with Frank Gore...a proven commodity and others.
What happened? They had such a lousy offensive line that every one of their skill players like went on the IR with bad injuries. The team could not do bo diddley.
So, yes, the offense revolves around the abilities of the skill players...until such time that those skill players can't function because they are having their asses handed to them because no on can block for them.
Now...do the Browns have both commodities? Both the skill players and the OL to allow to do their thing?
Certainly not. But as limited perhaps as our skill players may be....I would still like to have a quality OL that will allow them to show that skill...at whatever level it may be.
YOU wanted skill players....and from what I can see, the Browns have attempted...somewhat to give us those. QBs in the 2d and 3rd round the last two years...plus a trade for another.
A TE drafted in round one. 4 WRs taken last year...another picked up as a FA. A tandem or RBs they seem to have faith in.
Do WE have total faith in this group of skill players? Absolutely not.
But, at least, as I said, it seems to be the case that they will have a decent OL in front of them so that they can TRY at least to deliver their best.
Would I have like the last couple of drafts to go differently? You know it. I was all on Bosa and Trubisky's jocks. I think those would have been better choices for this team.
But I gotta to with what I got and only hope for the best with what is on the roster.
You need both.
Look at the Colts. They have the best young QB that has supposedly come around in a decade. They have outstanding WRs....and supposedly decent RBs...with Frank Gore...a proven commodity and others.
What happened? They had such a lousy offensive line that every one of their skill players like went on the IR with bad injuries. The team could not do bo diddley.
So, yes, the offense revolves around the abilities of the skill players...until such time that those skill players can't function because they are having their asses handed to them because no on can block for them.
Now...do the Browns have both commodities? Both the skill players and the OL to allow to do their thing?
Certainly not. But as limited perhaps as our skill players may be....I would still like to have a quality OL that will allow them to show that skill...at whatever level it may be.
YOU wanted skill players....and from what I can see, the Browns have attempted...somewhat to give us those. QBs in the 2d and 3rd round the last two years...plus a trade for another.
A TE drafted in round one. 4 WRs taken last year...another picked up as a FA. A tandem or RBs they seem to have faith in.
Do WE have total faith in this group of skill players? Absolutely not.
But, at least, as I said, it seems to be the case that they will have a decent OL in front of them so that they can TRY at least to deliver their best.
Would I have like the last couple of drafts to go differently? You know it. I was all on Bosa and Trubisky's jocks. I think those would have been better choices for this team.
But I gotta to with what I got and only hope for the best with what is on the roster.
I never said you don't need both. But the foundation starts with the QB. You build a team around the QB, NOT the other way around.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Then maybe instead of Vegas you should move to Utah. They don't gamble there.
Not the reason I am moving to Vegas. You keep bringing up gambling. Vegas offers far more than that, especially to a man of science, and music.
Not the reason I am moving to Vegas. You keep bringing up gambling. Vegas offers far more than that, especially to a man of science, and music.
I know it does....its just that Nevada, I believe, is the only state in the nation that allows sports gambling.
And you ARE the one that started a thread about how you were going to be betting the under on the number of games the Browns win.
So..if that is not gambling, what is it?
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You need both.
Look at the Colts. They have the best young QB that has supposedly come around in a decade. They have outstanding WRs....and supposedly decent RBs...with Frank Gore...a proven commodity and others.
What happened? They had such a lousy offensive line that every one of their skill players like went on the IR with bad injuries. The team could not do bo diddley.
So, yes, the offense revolves around the abilities of the skill players...until such time that those skill players can't function because they are having their asses handed to them because no on can block for them.
Now...do the Browns have both commodities? Both the skill players and the OL to allow to do their thing?
Certainly not. But as limited perhaps as our skill players may be....I would still like to have a quality OL that will allow them to show that skill...at whatever level it may be.
YOU wanted skill players....and from what I can see, the Browns have attempted...somewhat to give us those. QBs in the 2d and 3rd round the last two years...plus a trade for another.
A TE drafted in round one. 4 WRs taken last year...another picked up as a FA. A tandem or RBs they seem to have faith in.
Do WE have total faith in this group of skill players? Absolutely not.
But, at least, as I said, it seems to be the case that they will have a decent OL in front of them so that they can TRY at least to deliver their best.
Would I have like the last couple of drafts to go differently? You know it. I was all on Bosa and Trubisky's jocks. I think those would have been better choices for this team.
But I gotta to with what I got and only hope for the best with what is on the roster.
I never said you don't need both. But the foundation starts with the QB. You build a team around the QB, NOT the other way around.
I never said you don't need both. But the foundation starts with the QB. You build a team around the QB, NOT the other way around.
Fair statement.....but then, as I said....the team you apparently admire so much did exactly the opposite. Before 2004 the Steelers built up their defense...and their OL...and their running backs.....and they plopped on Ben R. as the cherry on top of that....and in a year won the SB (with perhaps the worst performance ever by a Super Bowl winning QB).
Now...they may have needed BR to win....but he was by no means the "foundation" of their 2005 SB winning team. He was the topper, like a weathervane on a barn.
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I actually didn't think our RBs were all that bad. Playing from behind so much they don't get the chance to impact a game as much as they otherwise could. Crow had a 4.8 y/c average behind a questionable line and came close to 1,000 yds for the season.
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I never said you don't need both. But the foundation starts with the QB. You build a team around the QB, NOT the other way around.
Fair statement.....but then, as I said....the team you apparently admire so much did exactly the opposite. Before 2004 the Steelers built up their defense...and their OL...and their running backs.....and they plopped on Ben R. as the cherry on top of that....and in a year won the SB (with perhaps the worst performance ever by a Super Bowl winning QB).
Now...they may have needed BR to win....but he was by no means the "foundation" of their 2005 SB winning team. He was the topper, like a weathervane on a barn.
he was by no means the "foundation" of their 2005 SB winning team. He was the topper, like a weathervane on a barn.
And if you take a half a step back, they were constantly building each position on their team as best they could as it came available - and added the QB when they could without sacrificing future picks which would also be needed then.
You know, like today's Browns.
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@boo-fagley said:
I heard they have good trivia and paint gun fights there.
And whorehouses.
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