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  • MLD Woody MLD WoodyM Dedicated Conversation Starter Very Popular First Post Collaborator Posting Machine Reacting Well One Month Later One Year In Week One Done
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    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    Look, we've been down this road before. The Bible has been modified and translated so many times, and then with your personal interpretation, it can mean basically anything.

    If I have a quote showing the Bible saying something not approved by the religious right wing, there will be a dozen different interpretations lined up to tell me what that passage REALLY means.

    Plenty if Christians interpret the Bible with nothing being wrong with gay marriage. But we already know your response. Not REAL Christians

    From a high level, Jesus clearly seems more liberal than conservative to me. That obviously doesn't sit with the religious right, so there are plenty of canned responses on why he's actually a REAL American... Or something.

    Think what you'd like. I don't expect any reasoning or common sense on the topic of religion here

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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      C calfoxwc wrote on last edited by
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      says the guy who doesn't know the Bible, isn't a Christian...

      not good to not know so much, but think you know it all.

      I have no idea how liberals make that work.

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        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by Clevfan4life
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        Some of the most knowledgeable people anout the boble arent christians........"because" they read the bible top to bottom. Most of you grey pube fgts have only read the king james cliffs, or what ur pastor told u to read on sundays.

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          In other words, you know absolutely nothing. Just bs spouted as usual.

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          C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          In other words, you know absolutely nothing. Just bs spouted as usual.

          Have another beer grandpa and stfu

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            Some of the most knowledgeable people anout the boble arent christians........"because" they read the bible top to bottom. Most of you grey pube fgts have only read the king james cliffs, or what ur pastor told u to read on sundays.

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            OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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            @clevfan4life said:

            Some of the most knowledgeable people anout the boble arent christians........"because" they read the bible top to bottom. Most of you grey pube fgts have only read the king james cliffs, or what ur told to read on sundays.

            The Pharisees were very knowledgeable about the scriptures in Jesus time. It is not knowledge that is needed it is wisdom and that comes from God.

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              MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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              See? That.

              You don't have wisdom from God. So I'm right.

              Nothing you can debate there

              Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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              • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                See? That.

                You don't have wisdom from God. So I'm right.

                Nothing you can debate there

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                C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                @mld-woody said:

                Nothing you can debate there

                And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

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                • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                  See? That.

                  You don't have wisdom from God. So I'm right.

                  Nothing you can debate there

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                  OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                  @mld-woody said:

                  See? That.

                  You don't have wisdom from God. So I'm right.

                  Nothing you can debate there

                  Oh but I do have wisdom from God. He is my wisdom:

                  1 Corinthians 1:30New International Version (NIV)

                  30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.

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                    @mld-woody said:

                    Nothing you can debate there

                    And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

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                    OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                    @clevfan4life said:

                    And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

                    New International Version 1 Cor. 1:18

                    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

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                    • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

                      Also this

                      religious-knowledge-07.png

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                      T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                      @mld-woody said:

                      Also this

                      religious-knowledge-07.png

                      Man blacks and Hispanics brought the whole bell curve down. Just saying

                      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                        @mld-woody said:

                        Nothing you can debate there

                        And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

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                        MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                        @clevfan4life said:

                        And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

                        more else

                        but he was born that way

                        Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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                          @clevfan4life said:

                          And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

                          more else

                          but he was born that way

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                          OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                          @mld-woody said:

                          more else

                          but he was born that way

                          Cal says this better than I could:

                          "says the guy who doesn't know the Bible, isn't a Christian...

                          not good to not know so much, but think you know it all.

                          I have no idea how liberals make that work."

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                            @clevfan4life said:

                            And that "wisdom" only comes from turning off every single sense the universe gifted you when you were born

                            New International Version 1 Cor. 1:18

                            For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

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                            C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                            @oldbrownsfan said:

                            New International Version 1 Cor. 1:18

                            For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

                            Then why dont u all rapture yourselves away while we go about living peacefully and tolerantly with other?

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                              @mld-woody said:

                              more else

                              but he was born that way

                              Cal says this better than I could:

                              "says the guy who doesn't know the Bible, isn't a Christian...

                              not good to not know so much, but think you know it all.

                              I have no idea how liberals make that work."

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                              C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                              @oldbrownsfan said:

                              Cal says this better than I could:

                              "says the guy who doesn't know the Bible, isn't a Christian...

                              not good to not know so much, but think you know it all.

                              ."

                              Yeah and when people who've studied the bible more than you would be able to in several lifetimes, bring up glaring inconsistencies and other various bullshit the bible is replete with, you say those people are clearly satanists bent on destroying the word. So you've all walled yourselves in

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                                @oldbrownsfan said:

                                New International Version 1 Cor. 1:18

                                For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

                                Then why dont u all rapture yourselves away while we go about living peacefully and tolerantly with other?

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                                OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by OldBrownsFan
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                                @clevfan4life said:

                                Then why dont u all rapture yourselves away while we go about living peacefully and tolerantly with other?

                                Like they do in North Korea? That should be a utopian society free from religion.

                                I find it hard to believe you would really think people would live peacefully and tolerantly with others if not for Christians. That day is prophesied to come and the bible speaks the opposite of what the world will be like when the restraining force is taken out of the way. This is one of the scriptures open to interpretation as some believe the restraining force is referring to the Holy Spirit and some believe it is the church. Regardless when it happens it is the start of the tribulation period spoken of in the bible as the worst time ever in human history and not people living peacefully and tolerantly.

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                                  @oldbrownsfan said:

                                  Cal says this better than I could:

                                  "says the guy who doesn't know the Bible, isn't a Christian...

                                  not good to not know so much, but think you know it all.

                                  ."

                                  Yeah and when people who've studied the bible more than you would be able to in several lifetimes, bring up glaring inconsistencies and other various bullshit the bible is replete with, you say those people are clearly satanists bent on destroying the word. So you've all walled yourselves in

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                                  OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                  @clevfan4life said:

                                  Yeah and when people who've studied the bible more than you would be able to in several lifetimes, bring up glaring inconsistencies and other various bullshit the bible is replete with, you say those people are clearly satanists bent on destroying the word. So you've all walled yourselves in

                                  If you study the bible you always keep learning new things. It is a living word. I have learned alot in many years of study and still get excited when i learn new things. If there are people out there who "know more than I would know in several lifetimes" as you claim and they are still non believers then they are fools:

                                  "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1

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                                    @clevfan4life said:

                                    Yeah and when people who've studied the bible more than you would be able to in several lifetimes, bring up glaring inconsistencies and other various bullshit the bible is replete with, you say those people are clearly satanists bent on destroying the word. So you've all walled yourselves in

                                    If you study the bible you always keep learning new things. It is a living word. I have learned alot in many years of study and still get excited when i learn new things. If there are people out there who "know more than I would know in several lifetimes" as you claim and they are still non believers then they are fools:

                                    "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1

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                                    C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                    @oldbrownsfan said:

                                    If you study the bible you always keep learning new things. It is a living word. I have learned alot in many years of study and still get excited when i learn new things. If there are people out there who "know more than I would know in several lifetimes" as you claim and they are still non believers then they are fools:

                                    "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1

                                    So you immediately equate a learned person of the bible dismissing it with being an atheist. That's classic defense. Unfortunately it holds no water because there are myriads of reasons why someone who is not atheist would reject the bible. I know this is going to blow your mind, but there are people who beleive in christ.....who completely and flat out reject the bible as a work of men. Who's to say. Im not sure if i beleive in jesus or not, but i damn well smell the written words of filthy men when i read them.

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                                      @oldbrownsfan said:

                                      If you study the bible you always keep learning new things. It is a living word. I have learned alot in many years of study and still get excited when i learn new things. If there are people out there who "know more than I would know in several lifetimes" as you claim and they are still non believers then they are fools:

                                      "The fool hath said in his heart there is no God" Psalm 14:1

                                      So you immediately equate a learned person of the bible dismissing it with being an atheist. That's classic defense. Unfortunately it holds no water because there are myriads of reasons why someone who is not atheist would reject the bible. I know this is going to blow your mind, but there are people who beleive in christ.....who completely and flat out reject the bible as a work of men. Who's to say. Im not sure if i beleive in jesus or not, but i damn well smell the written words of filthy men when i read them.

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                                      OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                      @clevfan4life said:

                                      So you immediately equate a learned person of the bible dismissing it with being an atheist. That's classic defense. Unfortunately it holds no water because there are myriads of reasons why someone who is not atheist would reject the bible. I know this is going to blow your mind, but there are people who beleive in christ.....who completely and flat out reject the bible as a work of men. Who's to say. Im not sure if i beleive in jesus or not, but i damn well smell the written words of filthy men when i read them.

                                      How do they know about Jesus? The bible. But how can they believe in Jesus if they don't believe what is written about him in the bible? They can't. There is only one sure way to know Jesus and that is through the bible. God promised to preserve His word and I believe He has. Jesus is even called the word. After Jesus death and resurrection the bible says the disciples went out and preached the word and miracles happened with signs following the word being preached (before the bible was written it was the spoken word of the disciples). David said God had magnified His word above His name. The word is that important.

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                                        @clevfan4life said:

                                        So you immediately equate a learned person of the bible dismissing it with being an atheist. That's classic defense. Unfortunately it holds no water because there are myriads of reasons why someone who is not atheist would reject the bible. I know this is going to blow your mind, but there are people who beleive in christ.....who completely and flat out reject the bible as a work of men. Who's to say. Im not sure if i beleive in jesus or not, but i damn well smell the written words of filthy men when i read them.

                                        How do they know about Jesus? The bible. But how can they believe in Jesus if they don't believe what is written about him in the bible? They can't. There is only one sure way to know Jesus and that is through the bible. God promised to preserve His word and I believe He has. Jesus is even called the word. After Jesus death and resurrection the bible says the disciples went out and preached the word and miracles happened with signs following the word being preached (before the bible was written it was the spoken word of the disciples). David said God had magnified His word above His name. The word is that important.

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                                        C Clevfan4life wrote on last edited by
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                                        @oldbrownsfan said:

                                        How do they know about Jesus? The bible. But how can they believe in Jesus if they don't believe what is written about him in the bible? They can't.

                                        There are other accts of jesus outside the bible. The cathars were exterminated because they interpreted jesus's msg differently than the corrupt roman catholic church.

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                                          MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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                                          I spent most of my childhood as a Catholic. I learned about the Bible. Luckily my parents weren't really pushing it, and it became obvious the whole thing was BS early on.

                                          OBF was born with genetics making him predisposed to believing in religion.

                                          But I'm influenced by the devil, so who knows.

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