PFF: Offensive Line Ranked 2nd for 2017
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But can five men block eight men?
Why will no one address this?
Surely there must be someone available to pound and grind this point into the fucking ground every God damn thread... Preferably in ALL CAPS.
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My wish for this season: the 6th and 7th blockers [Njoku and DeValve] will do better work in both pass&run than we've had the last 3 years.
Those are the spots where our blocking has consistently failed -- the line wasn't great last year but even with Mack/Schwartz it was the non-OL perfecting the Ole blocks which torched our stats.
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Ghoolie, our 5 guys couldnt block 4 and sonetimes struggled with 3 man rushes, they were pretty far from "fine". What team ever had to rush 8 men to get to a clev qb? Way overkill to rush that many, borders on cruel and unusual
Ghoolie, our 5 guys couldnt block 4 and sonetimes struggled with 3 man rushes, they were pretty far from "fine".
Good luck Clev...I've tried...he has a mental block when it comes to how bad our OL has been since Mack's been gone.
He's so fixated on black Tarkenton and our QB situation that he can't see trying to fix the rest of the mess.
In my mind's eye I can still see the replay of a nose tackle faking left and jumping right, and right by Erving, untouched, tear-assing at the QB...who jumped straight to the ground. - That's how bad our OL was.
Now, the new guys on the OL are NOT rookies. They're a know quality. So, in theory, they should be able to gel with the existing guys in relatively short order. So again, in theory, the OL should be talented enough to support the skill players now. The OL will not however, turn hamburg into steak.
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The OL is the frame of the car... the chassis...
The OL whole can either be greater than the sum of the parts... or less than. We've proven the latter; time to work on the former. But with the exception of RT we know we now have the parts... all the parts. And y'all just have to trust me for now that we have the RT, too.
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But can five men block eight men?
Why will no one address this?
Surely there must be someone available to pound and grind this point into the fucking ground every God damn thread... Preferably in ALL CAPS.
But can five men block eight men?
Why will no one address this?
Surely there must be someone available to pound and grind this point into the fucking ground every God damn thread... Preferably in ALL CAPS.
5 men could cock block 8 men, provided those 8 men were trying to get laid in no more than 5 locations.
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So....here is a debate....is it better to have a golden boy QB....ala Andrew Luck....and to have a shit OL in front of him? (Indy ranked #22)....or to have a stolid OL...and have a mediocre QB behind them?
Luck has been on the shelf a lot due to injury....because he gets piss poor protection. The Browns may have a good OL...but who the fuck is going to play QB decently?
So....here is a debate....is it better to have a golden boy QB....ala Andrew Luck....and to have a shit OL in front of him? (Indy ranked #22)....or to have a stolid OL...and have a mediocre QB behind them?
Luck has been on the shelf a lot due to injury....because he gets piss poor protection. The Browns may have a good OL...but who the fuck is going to play QB decently?
I debated with you when Luck was drafted. I said then that Luck would get fucked up because he holds on to the ball too long. No offensive line can protect a QB who holds on to the ball. He's accurate, but no OL can protect this guy.
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Well,
look man, I am Happy that you guys are happy. Finally, this horseshit debate, of which you are all on the wrong side of the argument is going to be resolved. YOu are all saying that finally we have the OL we need.
So, if as you say the OL is so important, our shit QBs will magnificently turn into winners, we will have a potent offense and win a lot of games.
However, as you are going to see, the Browns 2017 offense will be worse than the 2016 version and this OL will look horrendous. No five men, not the greatest HOF fatasses of all time can make a difference in this horseshit team. No QB, WRs, TEs and a thin RB corps guarantee another year of dink and dump offense.
Either way, the debate over this OL bullshit will be resolved. Just don't come back here after 2- 14 +/- 1 win, I don't want to fucking hear.....
The OL needs fixed, it just was not the O line we thought.
You got the fucking line you want. You got black Tarkenton. If I am wrong, I'll eat corw. If you are wrong, you can eat your fatass OL talk.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL -
Well,
look man, I am Happy that you guys are happy. Finally, this horseshit debate, of which you are all on the wrong side of the argument is going to be resolved. YOu are all saying that finally we have the OL we need.
So, if as you say the OL is so important, our shit QBs will magnificently turn into winners, we will have a potent offense and win a lot of games.
However, as you are going to see, the Browns 2017 offense will be worse than the 2016 version and this OL will look horrendous. No five men, not the greatest HOF fatasses of all time can make a difference in this horseshit team. No QB, WRs, TEs and a thin RB corps guarantee another year of dink and dump offense.
Either way, the debate over this OL bullshit will be resolved. Just don't come back here after 2- 14 +/- 1 win, I don't want to fucking hear.....
The OL needs fixed, it just was not the O line we thought.
You got the fucking line you want. You got black Tarkenton. If I am wrong, I'll eat corw. If you are wrong, you can eat your fatass OL talk.
I'll eat crow, pie, cake, 3 cheeseburgers, 1 large pizza, full rack of ribs, box of cookies, family size bag of Ruffles, 32 wings, gallon of ice cream, a dozen tacos, whatever is left on the plate of whoever I eat with, 6-pack of Coke, box of Ding Dongs, 6 foot sub and a salad.
Fixed it for ya ^
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Well,
look man, I am Happy that you guys are happy. Finally, this horseshit debate, of which you are all on the wrong side of the argument is going to be resolved. YOu are all saying that finally we have the OL we need.
So, if as you say the OL is so important, our shit QBs will magnificently turn into winners, we will have a potent offense and win a lot of games.
However, as you are going to see, the Browns 2017 offense will be worse than the 2016 version and this OL will look horrendous. No five men, not the greatest HOF fatasses of all time can make a difference in this horseshit team. No QB, WRs, TEs and a thin RB corps guarantee another year of dink and dump offense.
Either way, the debate over this OL bullshit will be resolved. Just don't come back here after 2- 14 +/- 1 win, I don't want to fucking hear.....
The OL needs fixed, it just was not the O line we thought.
You got the fucking line you want. You got black Tarkenton. If I am wrong, I'll eat corw. If you are wrong, you can eat your fatass OL talk.
So, if as you say the OL is so important, our shit QBs will magnificently turn into winners, we will have a potent offense and win a lot of games.
Who said that?
No, it won't turn hamburg into steak. (skill players)
If we show that we can't threaten DB's then they'll get the box loaded and there will be too many to block yes. But that's no reason not to add qualified players to the OL.
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Well,
look man, I am Happy that you guys are happy. Finally, this horseshit debate, of which you are all on the wrong side of the argument is going to be resolved. YOu are all saying that finally we have the OL we need.
So, if as you say the OL is so important, our shit QBs will magnificently turn into winners, we will have a potent offense and win a lot of games.
However, as you are going to see, the Browns 2017 offense will be worse than the 2016 version and this OL will look horrendous. No five men, not the greatest HOF fatasses of all time can make a difference in this horseshit team. No QB, WRs, TEs and a thin RB corps guarantee another year of dink and dump offense.
Either way, the debate over this OL bullshit will be resolved. Just don't come back here after 2- 14 +/- 1 win, I don't want to fucking hear.....
The OL needs fixed, it just was not the O line we thought.
You got the fucking line you want. You got black Tarkenton. If I am wrong, I'll eat corw. If you are wrong, you can eat your fatass OL talk.
However, as you are going to see, the Browns 2017 offense will be worse than the 2016 version and this OL will look horrendous. guarantee another year of dink and dump offense.
Dink & Dump even gets the ball out of Brady's hands quickly..Our so called dink & doink air raid offense still got browns sacked 66 times leading the league by 17 sacks..Aauull! Aauull! Crow-lie
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I'll eat crow, pie, cake, 3 cheeseburgers, 1 large pizza, full rack of ribs, box of cookies, family size bag of Ruffles, 32 wings, gallon of ice cream, a dozen tacos, whatever is left on the plate of whoever I eat with, 6-pack of Coke, box of Ding Dongs, 6 foot sub and a salad.
Fixed it for ya ^
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This o line talk before TC has even begun is insanely stupid.
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This o line talk before TC has even begun is insanely stupid.
This o line talk before TC has even begun is insanely stupid.
On a football chat board no less! What are these people thinking?!?
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This o line talk before TC has even begun is insanely stupid.
On a football chat board no less! What are these people thinking?!?
On a football chat board no less! What are these people thinking?!?
Talking about the o line is one thing, proclamations of aptitude is sonething different. Esprcially since pff tells us every year how awesome our o line is.
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Well...when you lead the league in getting your QB squished, ineptitude seems to be the logical answer.....
Cleveland gave up 66 sacks and 140 addl QB hits (thats 206 hits)....the second WORST team came in at 49 & 95.....
Compare this with Oakland at 18 and 41.....for 59 total hits....
qualifier....I do understand our QB's dont get the ball out.....and our WR's dont get open.....but I DID watch them play and the OL did not do their jobs well either.....and CERTAINLY did not do anything to earn #2 in the league(which PFF was professing last season too, iirc)
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Shit like this makes me laugh, I remember jus a few short years ago, and I mean recent, the same jackasses had our OL as "could be best in the NFL" so fuck their analysis until we see them play.
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Love these preseason ranking before a single down of football has been played. Utterly worthless till we see the first primary edge rusher greenlighted into kesslers nuts when we can then confirm PFF is still handing out baggies of coke to its analysts
Love these preseason ranking before a single down of football has been played. Utterly worthless till we see the first primary edge rusher greenlighted into kesslers nuts when we can then confirm PFF is still handing out baggies of coke to its analysts
LMAO! Coke would mean they're awake though. The good news is we upgraded our Center position every single time we replaced Erving last year so this wasn't a tough thing to improve. That said, GB's oline looked like it gelled much better after Tretter got hurt last year. Maybe that sheer coincidence - maybe it wasn't.
I really thought Austin Reiter looked like a huge improvement to Erving especially considering a lot of his assignment was a man named Suh. Nonetheless, I think we have a much stronger competition for the starting job. Money commitment may favor Tretter at first; but he who comes off injury best may have the final say in this one...
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Well...when you lead the league in getting your QB squished, ineptitude seems to be the logical answer.....
Cleveland gave up 66 sacks and 140 addl QB hits (thats 206 hits)....the second WORST team came in at 49 & 95.....
Compare this with Oakland at 18 and 41.....for 59 total hits....
qualifier....I do understand our QB's dont get the ball out.....and our WR's dont get open.....but I DID watch them play and the OL did not do their jobs well either.....and CERTAINLY did not do anything to earn #2 in the league(which PFF was professing last season too, iirc)
Well...when you lead the league in getting your QB squished, ineptitude seems to be the logical answer.....
Cleveland gave up 66 sacks and 140 addl QB hits (thats 206 hits)....the second WORST team came in at 49 & 95.....
Compare this with Oakland at 18 and 41.....for 59 total hits....
qualifier....I do understand our QB's dont get the ball out.....and our WR's dont get open.....but I DID watch them play and the OL did not do their jobs well either.....and CERTAINLY did not do anything to earn #2 in the league(which PFF was professing last season too, iirc)
Mud, I am of the conviction that not getting the ball out and having WR that don't only not get open, but that don't threaten a D, brings extra pressure on an OL. I believe it allows the D not to bite on play fakes and camp out a bit closer to the LOS, and more importantly, react and commit quicker to activity near the LOS.
Now, to the onlooker, for sure missed blocks indicate lousy OL play. But I don't at all, not for one minute buy into the explanation that it has to do with the talent of the lineman. Football is a game of centimeters, of not split second reactions, but split fraction of a second reactions. People tend to analyze football strictly by analytical means. I understand this because it allows us something to grab on to, a way to feel like we can manage talent and the game.
However, human behavior and performance cannot be predicted by analytical data. Yes, a guy who runs a 4.4 second 40 is much more likely to make the NFL than a guy who runs it in 7 seconds. But at the pro level? 4.4 versus 4.3? Unless they award points for racing, analytics is meaningless.
It is no secret that men can do amazing things. When driven by emotion, the chemicals of adrenaline and endorphin boost physical performance far, far above what someone does in an analytical trial. How else can you explain cement footed Bernie Kosar shredding defenses to look like swiss cheese?
Sorry, man, but it just defies logic that the physical abilities between OL men are so vast that the analytics can pick the better ones.
You noted our QBs hold the ball too long and our WR threaten nobody, Let me ask you, do you not admit that our OL would also know that? Put yourself in the shoes of a Browns OL. How energized are you going to be knowing in the back of your mind that even if you give the QB 4 seconds, he is probably going to get pasted any way?
Now, many here will say, "bullshit, they get paid millions to do their job". But that doesn't hold any water. Money has absolutely no effect on this. If it did, money surely would keep Josh from his toke troubles. It surely would keep players out of trouble.
Physical talent in the NFL is abundant. Like cherries on a tree. What makes one player different from another are the human elements. Bill Belichik turns more men into players not because of analytics, but because of the human elements.
Every year is full of expectations and surprises. This year will, to me, have one added enjoyment. Once and for all it will settle the argument I fuel; Is it the OL or is it the QB. Sure, they both have to contribute. However, my feeling is the total lack of skill at QB, WR, TE and to a lesser extent RB ( I really like Crowell) is going to deliver the same dump and dink offense, and the same slaughterhouse for our QBs that we saw last year.
Can Kizer change that? I don't believe so. However, for sure Kessler, Ass-oiler and the rest cannot. If we want to win, the dice need to be rolled on Kizer. If it turns out he is dynamic, exciting and explosive, and I hope he is, the OL will have a hero, something to be excited about. But dude, an OL-man is human. Who the hell is going to block with emotion when you have Kessler throwing the ball? Did he even make one single. WOW HOLY SHIT play? Nobody is going to black for 16 games with a guy like that running the show, and 8 men in the box all year long.
The Cleveland Browns have the hardest hit players in the NFL
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