Peckers hold out
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I meant Ogbah... and Nassib too.
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And before anyone tries to correct me...
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2017/01/gregg_williams_browns_defense.html
Look at #1.
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... and #1 says:
1. It won't be 4-3 based, and good luck labeling the front
"We'll play 4-3 and 3-4 in the same game," he said. "3-3, 3-2, 4-1, 4-2, Bear, big on five down, big on six down, big on more linebackers, little on more DBs and I have 42 packages of defense. ... How much we play those type of schemes or packages is based on the AFC North. It's based on what those offenses are pulling out there to play defense on and I'm almost not afraid to make sure all the other people have to work against a lot things I'm never going to call."
So your point is that you are incorrect "labeling" us as a 3-4?
Gregg's clearly saying our D will be situationally determined... within games by game situations, but also at snap one by the nature of our opponent that week. However, our roster, deep in the DL and 2ndary in numbers, if not talent, and relatively light at LB certainly suggests that 4-man fronts will dominate. At least that's what I see.
What is it you see that says to you we have 3-4 personnel?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
... and #1 says:
1. It won't be 4-3 based, and good luck labeling the front
"We'll play 4-3 and 3-4 in the same game," he said. "3-3, 3-2, 4-1, 4-2, Bear, big on five down, big on six down, big on more linebackers, little on more DBs and I have 42 packages of defense. ... How much we play those type of schemes or packages is based on the AFC North. It's based on what those offenses are pulling out there to play defense on and I'm almost not afraid to make sure all the other people have to work against a lot things I'm never going to call."
So your point is that you are incorrect "labeling" us as a 3-4?
Gregg's clearly saying our D will be situationally determined... within games by game situations, but also at snap one by the nature of our opponent that week. However, our roster, deep in the DL and 2ndary in numbers, if not talent, and relatively light at LB certainly suggests that 4-man fronts will dominate. At least that's what I see.
What is it you see that says to you we have 3-4 personnel?
With the addition of Collins and Garret we have more body's that can play.... and #1 says:
1. It won't be 4-3 based, and good luck labeling the front
"We'll play 4-3 and 3-4 in the same game," he said. "3-3, 3-2, 4-1, 4-2, Bear, big on five down, big on six down, big on more linebackers, little on more DBs and I have 42 packages of defense. ... How much we play those type of schemes or packages is based on the AFC North. It's based on what those offenses are pulling out there to play defense on and I'm almost not afraid to make sure all the other people have to work against a lot things I'm never going to call."
So your point is that you are incorrect "labeling" us as a 3-4?Gregg's clearly saying our D will be situationally determined... within games by game situations, but also at snap one by the nature of our opponent that week. However, our roster, deep in the DL and 2ndary in numbers, if not talent, and relatively light at LB certainly suggests that 4-man fronts will dominate. At least that's what I see.
What is it you see that says to you we have 3-4 personnel?
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Do I have to spell it out to you guys wtf? Ya I'll have a good responise when I study more on it goddamn it!
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I saw an interview that had the Special Teams coach on there talking about Peppers. He said that his body type and ability was kind of like Cribbs. We all wanted to see Cribbs back there at Safety, now we'll finally get the chance. I'm excited by it. Also adding Pryor, I thought he was a thumper in that draft and wrestled with the thought of taking him high or trading back into the first to snag him. He doesn't have a lot of miles on him and maybe he's learned some and taken some lumps and he's ready for the next step? I hope so. That is going to be a place you'll certainly want to keep your head on a swivel, Browns Secondary is looking nasty.
Browns Secondary is looking nasty.
yeah like spittin watermelon seeds through gold teeth nasty? like don't come into my neighborhood whiteboy nasty? like jerk chicken pitbulls and bad breath nasty? yeah..............maybe.
now can any of them play friggin football?
this season is going to piss soooooooo many people off.
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I guess technically we do still have some 3-4 personnel with orchard and garrett could prob play either or. Not sure i like it tho. His best defenses were the rams straight 4-3's right? We'll see.
Kinda lost in the offseason talk has been nassib. Hows he progressing? I wanna see weight room numbers going up
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4-2-5
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Peppers will sign at some point & we'll see if he is as good & versatile as many of us (me included) believe.
I am satisfied that we finally have a DC who will put players in the best place for them to succeed, leading to far more accurate player evaluation & needs assessment.
Mike
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love me some peppers and thought (besides the TE) was best pick for us...
but you gotta bring it before you sing it.
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Mik! I really like the Peppers AND Njoku picks! They were awesome, but I'm most excited about the #1 OVERALL monster Myles Garrett! All I've heard for 2 years is just wait till Garrett comes out, he's a beast. I can't believe we had to suck so badly in order to secure the Brown's Beast... I can't believe we actually got him. How sick would a Bosa - Garrett combo be. But hey, I think Corey Coleman is a badass, I'm okay with it. Just wait until Coleman can take the field with Gordon- it's gonna be a beauty.
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Last time Gordon was on the field he sucked. Coleman sucks. It will be beautiful for the opposing defense.
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I guess technically we do still have some 3-4 personnel with orchard and garrett could prob play either or. Not sure i like it tho. His best defenses were the rams straight 4-3's right? We'll see.
Kinda lost in the offseason talk has been nassib. Hows he progressing? I wanna see weight room numbers going up
I guess technically we do still have some 3-4 personnel with orchard and garrett could prob play either or. Not sure i like it tho. His best defenses were the rams straight 4-3's right? We'll see.
Definitely a lot 4-man fronts in LA... as for what was behind them??? Do you want to emphasize alignment or size/natural position?
"Still have some" is the operative phrase. Our roster is distinctly less 3-4-ish, at least to my eye, than it was going into 2016 camp with its strength shifted from LB to DL... not that we were all that strong at LB last season. LOLB was a continuing question even after Collins stabilized ROLB. And then we traded Davis...
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